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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:40 AM Mar 2014

USDA to Allow Chickens From U.S. to Be Shipped to China for Processing and Back to U.S. for Consumpt

Source: EcoWatch

Scores of Americans are in an uproar since Food Safety News revealed the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) will soon allow U.S. chickens to be sent to China for processing before being shipped back to the states for human consumption.

This arrangement is especially disturbing given China’s subpar food safety record and the fact that there are no plans to station on-site USDA inspectors at Chinese plants. Also, American consumers won’t know which brands of chicken are processed in China because there’s no requirement to label it as such.

To ease concerns, lobbyists and chicken industry proponents argue no U.S. company will ever ship chicken to China for processing because it wouldn’t work economically.

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Yet, a similar process is already being used for U.S. seafood.

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Read more: http://ecowatch.com/2014/03/05/usda-chickens-shipped-china/

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USDA to Allow Chickens From U.S. to Be Shipped to China for Processing and Back to U.S. for Consumpt (Original Post) bananas Mar 2014 OP
Dammit. Have we learned nothing? Not Sure Mar 2014 #1
I agree we haven't learned davidpdx Mar 2014 #6
fuck that noise if we stop buying chicken for a few weeks elehhhhna Mar 2014 #28
I will not buy chicken Scairp Mar 2014 #92
they're staring w/ recombinated chickey things like breaded elehhhhna Mar 2014 #93
We? I rarely use that word in connection with this government anymore. woo me with science Mar 2014 #39
Who comes up with this shit? awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #45
this is why we need tariffs to protect jobs ThomThom Mar 2014 #63
We will never have them awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #66
Now this is something both and GOP and the Dems should protest loudly. But the corporatists will kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #87
Score another for corporate profits - Obama admin, zero wordpix Mar 2014 #95
Because chicken is just so goddamn good for you to begin with! Systematic Chaos Mar 2014 #2
So, one fine day the USDA folks just, on a whim, decided to "allow" jtuck004 Mar 2014 #3
Baby food, too XemaSab Mar 2014 #8
Which is why I won't eat processed seafood or anything else like that. There were also news freshwest Mar 2014 #4
Thank you for the information. Don't ya just love the one percent. classykaren Mar 2014 #11
I got away from them a half dozen years ago. It was an unfortunate period in my life. freshwest Mar 2014 #12
A friend of mine bought some fish sticks from a 99 cent store recently. closeupready Mar 2014 #49
My cat Snowball died a horrible death after eating that poison pet food from China back in '07... DesertDiamond Mar 2014 #5
Sorry to hear about your cat. If you can get local fish I'd try that for the cats, too. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #13
Make sure your pet dishes aren't made in China, either theHandpuppet Mar 2014 #30
Oh my God.....did they even think about this one? Hulk Mar 2014 #7
Chicken is now out of my diet choices. nilesobek Mar 2014 #9
Not a chance in hell this will lower prices to consumers Fumesucker Mar 2014 #24
Yup. ctsnowman Mar 2014 #38
+$0.25 closeupready Mar 2014 #50
The last time I shopped at Save Alot they had meat that stated happily prepared for you in Mexico. classykaren Mar 2014 #10
All because we greedy North American workers want to earn enough money to buy said chicken. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #14
Well if it's any consolation durablend Mar 2014 #69
There are many American dogs that are dead from Chinese dried chicken snacks. Kablooie Mar 2014 #15
won't feed my dog anything made overseas mdbl Mar 2014 #20
And the only way to avoid this is to buy local from a humane rancher. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #16
Healthy food for the well-to-do, fuck all for the rest is the problem with this idea. $20 chicken Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #18
Sweetheart, I'm hardly well-do-do. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #22
Processed chicken A Little Weird Mar 2014 #29
It is a horrible idea. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #46
Or hunt. I have 2 deer in the freezer, 30 dove, too. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #27
I don't derive pleasure out of killing animals. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #47
Neither do I, but I prefer killing directly than by agency... Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #54
Or . . . Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #56
"You people" was enough to rationalize your hatred. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #58
I agree packman Mar 2014 #61
So you think that someone who goes out and kills an elk indie9197 Mar 2014 #77
There are other ways of looking at this arikara Mar 2014 #79
So you are doing something "Noble" packman Mar 2014 #82
Are you a vegetarian? arikara Mar 2014 #83
Vegetarian - hell no packman Mar 2014 #85
Why do wild things have more rights to live than domesticated ones? NickB79 Mar 2014 #90
There will be a profit to be made by companies that process entirely in USA. MADem Mar 2014 #17
Must be for the fast food industry mdbl Mar 2014 #19
This is what happens when corporations control the regulation process. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #21
You mean they control the DEregulation process, cuz that's all we've got now. nt valerief Mar 2014 #33
That too. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #35
I hope it will be labelled My Good Babushka Mar 2014 #23
Are we out of our friggin minds? SmittynMo Mar 2014 #25
I can only imagine how sick this will make us liberal N proud Mar 2014 #26
Just thinning the herd durablend Mar 2014 #70
So if I buy plain old boned chicken--no breading or other processing--does that valerief Mar 2014 #31
Looks like the shippers and fuelsters make out most on this. nt valerief Mar 2014 #32
Get kosher chicken greymattermom Mar 2014 #34
Why all that shipping get the red out Mar 2014 #36
stuff spent laying hens live in a shipping container, freeze & ship to china? Sunlei Mar 2014 #37
Canned tuna ctsnowman Mar 2014 #40
Infuckingsane. One more reason to not eat meat. marble falls Mar 2014 #41
Gross. It's always good to be a vegetarian. roody Mar 2014 #42
i've eaten here in china for six years. i haven't died yet. i wonder where i can buy all Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #43
I don't think the tainted food going to America is served in China fasttense Mar 2014 #48
Try "Walmart China" they DNA test all meat to make sure refuge pile mink/fox meat isn't mixed in! Sunlei Mar 2014 #51
i wouldn't go to walmart back home. why would i go to the devil spawn hellhole here? Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #53
You really don't want to go to one in China. Mag238 Mar 2014 #72
Not surprised. I see that all the time. You're not shocking me with that Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #73
Yes, it is the same all over the country. Mag238 Mar 2014 #75
Because this is China and it's traditional Chinese attitude to piss, shit and drop your garbage Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #76
Those poor animals. CrispyQ Mar 2014 #44
I doubt they're shipping live chickens. magical thyme Mar 2014 #60
The only safe and inexpensive way to feed a pet is to make the food yourself. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #74
wtf? bossy22 Mar 2014 #52
Don't ever forget the dog food incident a few years ago. SoapBox Mar 2014 #55
They poisoned my dogs, and then poisoned their own children. No f'g way am I going DeschutesRiver Mar 2014 #94
Antifreeze in my chicken? What could go wrong there. santamargarita Mar 2014 #57
Chicken ships? packman Mar 2014 #59
This will incentivize people to get a better job so they can buy a real chicken at Whole Foods jsr Mar 2014 #62
who will be disallowed from labeling the origin of their meat reddread Mar 2014 #65
Thanks, Vilsack. bullwinkle428 Mar 2014 #64
There goes my career as a chicken flicker. Mag238 Mar 2014 #67
I wonder if they will ship all the way to China or WhiteTara Mar 2014 #68
What could possibly go wrong? Jake2413 Mar 2014 #71
The is so amazingly stupid and wasteful Matariki Mar 2014 #78
Maybe it's time to just give up on all animal proteins .. read this ditty >> YOHABLO Mar 2014 #80
On reflection, it seems that little by little HeiressofBickworth Mar 2014 #81
***FOOD SAFETY NEWS to spread awareness/STOP this from reaching supermarkets or school lunchrooms. proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #84
Um, er... KamaAina Mar 2014 #86
LOL. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #88
Fuck it, I'm growing my own this year NickB79 Mar 2014 #89
If only there were something we could do, almost immediately flvegan Mar 2014 #91

Not Sure

(735 posts)
1. Dammit. Have we learned nothing?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:04 AM
Mar 2014

Who the hell comes up with this shit?

Also, American consumers won’t know which brands of chicken are processed in China because there’s no requirement to label it as such.


Uh, okay... sounds like a new requirement is in order posthaste!

To ease concerns, lobbyists and chicken industry proponents argue no U.S. company will ever ship chicken to China for processing because it wouldn’t work economically.


Sure, it'll never happen. There's no way it could be profitable to make the unassembled parts of consumer products here in the US, ship them to China for assembly and packaging, then ship them back for retail distribution. I mean, it's gotta be cheaper to do it all here, right? Or at least in Mexico?

Except that it's not.

How is that even possible? Simple, the contractor subs out the work to a third party that doesn't follow safety rules because that's where the profit margin is. When the subcontractor gets caught, shut 'em down! Magically, a new contractor appears in the very same place.

Just wait until they do it with our food. Oh, wait...

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
6. I agree we haven't learned
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:53 AM
Mar 2014

This is just fucking common sense that imported food should be labeled. I live in South Korea and they have VERY strict laws on imported food. They have stopped most of (I wouldn't say all) the GMO food from coming into Korea. The origin of the food has to be disclosed to the consumer.

By the way, most Koreans won't buy Chinese vegetables or fruits because of the use of waste water for irrigation.

This one area where the US should take a look at Korean law.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
28. fuck that noise if we stop buying chicken for a few weeks
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:47 AM
Mar 2014

the chickiefarmers will raise hell and boom no more melaminelacedchicken

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
92. I will not buy chicken
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:13 PM
Mar 2014

I won't feed my young daughter chicken processed in China when I don't even buy those poison dog and cat treats they import that have killed a number of animals. And since when can't we process our own chickens? This makes less than zero sense.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
93. they're staring w/ recombinated chickey things like breaded
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:25 PM
Mar 2014

chicken nuggets and horrible stuff.

Another plan in the works is to allow the importation of Chinese raised chicken. Not kidding. They know they have to go slow. I'd google the links but I'm too sleeeepy. Ok lazy.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
39. We? I rarely use that word in connection with this government anymore.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:58 AM
Mar 2014

This admini$tration and most of Congre$$ sure as hell are not representing me.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
87. Now this is something both and GOP and the Dems should protest loudly. But the corporatists will
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:53 PM
Mar 2014

ignore the will of the people. I guess I will stop eating chicken.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
95. Score another for corporate profits - Obama admin, zero
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 01:16 AM
Mar 2014


I don't eat chicken anymore unless I know the farmer who gives them free range and organic food. Otherwise, beware

Systematic Chaos

(8,601 posts)
2. Because chicken is just so goddamn good for you to begin with!
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:31 AM
Mar 2014

Even plant-based eating is no longer free of risks, but you'll feel a thousand percent better than if you're trying to cope with this bullshit.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
3. So, one fine day the USDA folks just, on a whim, decided to "allow"
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:36 AM
Mar 2014

Last edited Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:45 AM - Edit history (1)

chickens passage to China and back for the purposes of being plucked?

China, the place that killed a fair number of pet dogs and cats with Melamine-laced food, an ingredient in plastics and fertilizer which, perhaps, was intentionally added to food to poison pets, which I personally regard as an act of terrorism. But I like dogs. Diamond Brand, as I recall. But not to worry, I am quite sure these workers care far more about you and your family and neighbors than Spot. And I am sure that was just an isolated incident. Or two. But I digress.

So like a USDA employee just had a "eureka" moment? Without anyone asking them such as, perhaps, "lobbyists and chicken industry proponents" who might be looking to get done to a chicken for 12 cents what costs 95 cents here? Times millions and millions of times.

In any event, now "lobbyists and chicken industry proponents" are assuring us that the economics would prevent it from ever happening. Yet it was already prevented, apparently, by regulation.

$2 winner, chicken dinner.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
4. Which is why I won't eat processed seafood or anything else like that. There were also news
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:38 AM
Mar 2014
reports of how 'farm raised' fish from China is unsafe.

And don't ever eat fish sticks.


I knew a family who partners with the owners of processing ships who said they vacuum up whatever's on the ocean floor, 'bleach' the ground bits with whatever they get, bread it and package it up for sale. It's done onboard on the seas, no one there to argue.

They won't eat it and warned me to not do so. That's just anecdotal, so you can take it as you will. They saw nothing wrong with making millions of dollars doing such shit.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
12. I got away from them a half dozen years ago. It was an unfortunate period in my life.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:05 AM
Mar 2014
I'd rather live around those who are more honest and caring.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
49. A friend of mine bought some fish sticks from a 99 cent store recently.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:13 AM
Mar 2014

Much as I've tried to inform him about the dice-i-ness of consuming such processed food products, he can't resist what appears to be a bargain. He made them for dinner, and we ate them - they actually tasted okay, but I won't touch them again.

DesertDiamond

(1,616 posts)
5. My cat Snowball died a horrible death after eating that poison pet food from China back in '07...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:46 AM
Mar 2014

I try to avoid anything made or processed in China anymore. It's very difficult. But most especially, I am careful to choose toys and pet items that are not made in China. Fortunately I'm vegan, and my cats eat ground turkey. But if they ever start sending turkeys to China for processing, I'll have to find something else to feed them.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
30. Make sure your pet dishes aren't made in China, either
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:59 AM
Mar 2014

Glazed ceramicware from China (Also Mexico) is known to contain high amounts of lead and other nasty elements. I know cheap pet dishes from China seem to be popular, but DON'T buy them unless you want to slowly poison your pet with every meal. That also applies to dishes, cups, mugs meant for humans, too.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
7. Oh my God.....did they even think about this one?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:10 AM
Mar 2014

Let me get this straight. We are going to ship a $5 chicken ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE PACIFIC OCEAN, process it, and SHIP IT ALL THE WAY BACK ACROSS THE PACIFIC OCEAN for US to eat? Does this even make a fookin' bit of sense to anyone? How can this insanity even make sense to anyone???

I just can't believe we are actually going to do such a stupid thing. Ship it back and forth for US TO EAT??? You have to be fookin' kidding me!

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
9. Chicken is now out of my diet choices.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:44 AM
Mar 2014

Some corporate lunatic thought this up to shave a quarter off the price of chicken.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
24. Not a chance in hell this will lower prices to consumers
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 07:40 AM
Mar 2014

Any net savings will go into the pockets of the "job creators".

classykaren

(769 posts)
10. The last time I shopped at Save Alot they had meat that stated happily prepared for you in Mexico.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:59 AM
Mar 2014

It was uncooked ground meat. last time I shopped there.

durablend

(7,456 posts)
69. Well if it's any consolation
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:26 PM
Mar 2014

Like the other person above said, they STILL won't be able to afford it since any "savings" sure as hell won't be passed along.

Kablooie

(18,612 posts)
15. There are many American dogs that are dead from Chinese dried chicken snacks.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:21 AM
Mar 2014

But plenty of American companies still sell them.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
20. won't feed my dog anything made overseas
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:08 AM
Mar 2014

we had a cat get real sick during that period when the poison was a plenty coming from chinese mfg, won't make that mistake again if I can help it.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
16. And the only way to avoid this is to buy local from a humane rancher.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:29 AM
Mar 2014

Preferably, the chickens are free range and have a natural diet. Yes, the chickens are $20.00 a pop but they're raised here and butchered here and, if you know how to cook, you can easily turn that chicken into at least 10 meals, if not more.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
18. Healthy food for the well-to-do, fuck all for the rest is the problem with this idea. $20 chicken
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:03 AM
Mar 2014

is not a regular option for my family. I work for wages that, while higher than that of a Chinese slaughterhouse worker, haven't increased in years and I built my life around 3 dollar per pound chicken.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
22. Sweetheart, I'm hardly well-do-do.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:42 AM
Mar 2014

I've been poor most of my life. Seriously, I'm sorry you chose to take my post in that way. No, $20.00 per chicken is not going to be possible for many people. I understand that. I only get like 2 a month because *I* can't afford any more than that. The way I stretch that is by baking the chicken wherein I get maybe 4-6 meals out of it, then I use the bones and left over meat to make chicken and dumplings or chicken soup wherein I get another probably 6-8 more meals.

Unfortunately, the alternative is to buy cheaper chicken but you've no idea if that chicken has been shipped to China where there are NO meat inspectors and the conditions in which they are processed are abhorrent by our standards. And, as any restaurant worker will tell you, chicken is the one commodity that can be so easily contaminated. It's why it's kept on the lowest shelf in a commercial refrigerator. It's the meat with the highest chance of e-Coli and botulism. Nasty nasty stuff that you don't want to have even a chance of contamination that can, literally, kill you.

I also have a veggie garden in my postage-stamp-sized back yard so that helps supplement my grocery bill considerably. I'm also fortunate enough to live in farm country and people know that I'm a canning fool so it's not unusual for people to bring me produce which I'm able to can for use is in the off-season.

Truly, ES, I do understand, most profoundly, limited income. I've dealt with it most of my life.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
29. Processed chicken
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:51 AM
Mar 2014

It was my understanding that this law would affect processed chicken only - nuggets, breaded chicken, etc. Just buying uncooked chicken breast is supposedly not going to be an issue - (don't have the link but there were several threads about this awhile back).

It's still a horrible idea.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
46. It is a horrible idea.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:54 AM
Mar 2014

Personally, I try not to eat processed anything if I can help it but I know a lot of people do and that's their right to do so. But China has such a horrid track record with food contamination I hope more people are made aware of where their processed foods have actually been processed.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
47. I don't derive pleasure out of killing animals.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:03 AM
Mar 2014

There are animals that are bred specifically for their meat and the local ranchers know how to raise them humanely and kill them humanely. I prefer my deer alive, beautiful and free, as they're supposed to be. And there's a beautiful grey dove right outside my window as we speak who is cooing calmly. I derive great pleasure from that sound. I'd much rather her alive than dead.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
54. Neither do I, but I prefer killing directly than by agency...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:52 AM
Mar 2014

I completely understand the squeamishness in the killing, skinning & slaughtering process (which is also hard work), but if you did hunt, you would find few hunters gain pleasure from killing, and even less from suffering. That's why most hunters take care when shooting; even the celebrations are centered on taking a desired animal, its recovery, and quick death.

I agree both deer and dove are beautiful. During off-season, have reported injured deer to animal rescue agencies, and finished off crippled dove when I have found them -- and properly cleaned them for a later meal. Both species are in abundant supply; the former can be found along roadways in great numbers, and usually alive.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
56. Or . . .
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:57 AM
Mar 2014

you people could just go to the grocery store or farmers markets like everybody else and allow wild, free things to live. And yes, you people DO derive pleasure from killing. It's why you buy your pew pew toys and, in order to use them, something must die in the process.

I've no respect for anyone who does what you do. None.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
58. "You people" was enough to rationalize your hatred.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:14 PM
Mar 2014

You don't seem to understand that we all kill to eat.

All of us.

That you rationalize it by letting someone else do the deed by your demand, and by categorizing your meat in the in that earliest commercial class of animals (commonly called "livestock&quot is mere back-bleacher hypocrisy. But the hateful spew-spew corrupts your values more deeply than most who have the honesty to concede inconsistency.

Have a better day.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
61. I agree
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:48 PM
Mar 2014

Every time a "hunter" kills any wildlife, it diminishes nature for all people. If you get a gun, get a few acres and believe it gives you the right to subtract from the wild with your reasoned formula that somehow you are doing right or makes you feel that you aren't buying into the grocery store crowd, it is because it satisfies some need to kill.

indie9197

(509 posts)
77. So you think that someone who goes out and kills an elk
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:51 AM
Mar 2014

and gets 200 lbs of pesticide-free, hormone-free, high omega 3 meat is doing it for the thrill of the kill? You really dont know what you are talking about.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
79. There are other ways of looking at this
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:35 AM
Mar 2014

Modern cruel factory farm practices where animals live crowded in filth, fattened on unnatural food and drugs, and basically tortured at the end of their miserable lives to end up on a supermarket shelf diminish the people who ingest them as food. If you are eating meat and buying out of a grocery store, this is the meat you are eating.

My father used to hunt moose in order to feed the family when we needed meat. My mother used to put a net in the water and pull out wild salmon. We also had chickens and sometimes pigs. All animals, wild and domesticated lived good lives, were appreciated and treated humanely.

I assure you, my parents never had an "urge to kill". They did however have an urge to feed their kids healthy food even when they were broke.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
82. So you are doing something "Noble"
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:48 AM
Mar 2014

in killing the moose or elk that made you somehow superior to the wretches who eat all that filthy, unnaturally raised , drug filled , tortured farm raised animals. While you and your parents lovingly killed the pets you raised on your golden acres . Your parents killed the deer and the elk and dragged the wild salmon out of the rivers and THAT DIMINISHED all of nature. In the future I imagine we can say that because people felt they had the right , as we show our children pictures of the extinct elk,deer, or salmon, they did it because daddy and mommy didn't want their kids to starve.
Perhaps we need to look at Mommy and Daddy a little closer and ask why they had to get a gun or a net and plunder nature and deprive man of his right to appreciate those animals they slaughtered to feed their starving children.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
83. Are you a vegetarian?
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:40 PM
Mar 2014

If you are, fine. I totally respect your opinion. If you do eat meat, your reaction is somewhat naive.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
85. Vegetarian - hell no
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 04:15 PM
Mar 2014

Nature lover and wildlife lover-hell, YES. No one, repeat, No one has the right to kill that which should belong to all.

Buffalo hunters almost killed off the great American Buffalo, Passenger pigeons no longer exist. Tigers on the edge of extinction. These things diminish us all. Will the person who pulls up the last salmon or kill the last Elk or kill the last whatever wild creature say, "Dammit, now I gots to eat that damn grocery store chicken".

I refuse to get into this volleyball over the net to you, back to me, etc. My opinion will not change and if one cannot see that, no reason to banter on with this.

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
90. Why do wild things have more rights to live than domesticated ones?
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:25 PM
Mar 2014

Short answer: they don't. A cow or pig has just as much right to live as a deer or duck, even if they don't illicit the same emotional response so many people base irrational beliefs like yours on.

Once you realize that, it boils down to how much cruelty you're willing to accept for your meat. Even a well-run, humane family farm (like I grew up on) requires animals be kept in confined areas at times, castrated, dehorned, given sometimes-painful shots, etc, for months and years until slaughter.

A good hunter, on the other hand, fires a shot that kills the game animal in a matter of seconds, with a minimum of suffering.

If you eat meat, you WILL cause an animal to suffer. There is no escaping it. To simply say "go shopping at a grocery store like everyone else" is the epitome of burying your head in the sand to escape this simple fact.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. There will be a profit to be made by companies that process entirely in USA.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:31 AM
Mar 2014

People will start looking for that "Processed Entirely In USA" label.

Thing is, the "prepared" foods in your grocer's freezer? Watch out for that shit, if you buy it all all...

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
19. Must be for the fast food industry
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:04 AM
Mar 2014

I have a feeling they have a way to make a 5$ chicken turn into 50$ worth of nuggets, but only in a chinese factory where you can use any fillers you want.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
21. This is what happens when corporations control the regulation process.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:24 AM
Mar 2014

And they do control the regulation legislation process on every front. It's beyond sickening. It is ruining the nation.

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
23. I hope it will be labelled
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:50 AM
Mar 2014

I changed apple juice from Juicy Juice to Lucky Leaf because that's the only juice made in the U.S. with U.S. grown apples. Lots of juices aren't even labelled. It's getting harder and harder to find out where some of this food is coming from.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
25. Are we out of our friggin minds?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 08:06 AM
Mar 2014

OMG. Shipping chickens 1/2 way across the world, twice, for a few extra bucks? What is corporate America saving here? 20 cents a chicken? Does anyone else see a potential problem here? Not only taking jobs away from America again, but risking the processing of our meat in China? This is totally out of control, and we will ultimately pay the price, not only in the supermarket, but with our health. And not labeling them? We are idiots for allowing such a practice. Are we this fucking stupid?

durablend

(7,456 posts)
70. Just thinning the herd
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:29 PM
Mar 2014

Those Medicare and Social Security thingys are expensive y'know. Some "population subtraction" will take care of that.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
31. So if I buy plain old boned chicken--no breading or other processing--does that
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:09 AM
Mar 2014

mean it goes to China first anyway?

I didn't know seafood was going to China now.

get the red out

(13,460 posts)
36. Why all that shipping
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:29 AM
Mar 2014

Why not just process them here? Is there now some kind of law against jobs being in the US instead of China? Shipping comes at a high energy cost.

There is no level that this is not completely despicable on.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
37. stuff spent laying hens live in a shipping container, freeze & ship to china?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:32 AM
Mar 2014

same thing with nets of carp, feral hogs, downer dairy cows, their yearly newborn calves, what other animals can a Corp. stuff into a shipping container? Have slave labor "process cheap meat" into meals for?.

ctsnowman

(1,903 posts)
40. Canned tuna
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:01 AM
Mar 2014

sardines and oysters and now I bought Sunflower seeds from China (didn't notice till I got home). It's getting harder to find things that are not processed there.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
43. i've eaten here in china for six years. i haven't died yet. i wonder where i can buy all
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:23 AM
Mar 2014

this poisoned shit everyone says.

maybe auchuan, sugou or carrefour has it. maybe bhg.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
48. I don't think the tainted food going to America is served in China
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:13 AM
Mar 2014

They ship it out because in the US, it's easier to hide among all the other imported food. And inspection here is very lax. Not until people or animals start dying immediately after ingestion do our inspectors really get involved. Now if you are a small local farmer then you get inspected 3 ways to Sunday.

Though I have heard of some cases of people in China getting sent to jail for serving tainted foods.

 

Mag238

(26 posts)
72. You really don't want to go to one in China.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:06 AM
Mar 2014

In the Shenzen Walmart, parents let their small kids take a dump in the aisles. Yes, a bowel movement. Sorry to leave you with that image in your mind.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
73. Not surprised. I see that all the time. You're not shocking me with that
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:10 AM
Mar 2014

I've watched it over garbage cans, on the subway, on a street corner, on the sidewalk.

You think it is any different here in Suzhou, or back in Nanjing, or back in Shijiazhuang or in Beijing.

NO!!! It's part of the mindset.

 

Mag238

(26 posts)
75. Yes, it is the same all over the country.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:21 AM
Mar 2014

A second generation Taiwanese-American woman who traveled there with me was shocked by the unsanitary conditions everywhere. She had never been to mainland China before. Her memorable comment: "They are stuck in this swamp of filth and they don't even want to get out of it."

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
76. Because this is China and it's traditional Chinese attitude to piss, shit and drop your garbage
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:34 AM
Mar 2014

anywhere you want. . .and if you can't accept it, you don't understand China. You don't respect Chinese people and you need to go back to your home country because this is China and you can't impose your attitudes on us, and you must respect us, but we will have no respect for you at all, stupid foreigner.

Oh, and if you speak mandarin and make a small mistake we will laugh at you to your face because we think you sound funny and talk like a baby, but if you laugh at our lousy English. . .you're just a typical rude foreigner and you need to understand my English is poor.

Seven years here. . .I know this attitude first had.

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
44. Those poor animals.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:30 AM
Mar 2014

I'm sure handling them with care will be at the top of the list, not.

I'm so glad I'm veg & not a part of this vile industry.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
60. I doubt they're shipping live chickens.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:41 PM
Mar 2014

They will kill them, freeze them, ship them there for "processing" into McNuggets, dog and cat food, etc, and then ship the poisonous results back to us.

But going veg is the best response.

I just need to figure out how to safely and affordably feed my dogs.

DeschutesRiver

(2,354 posts)
94. They poisoned my dogs, and then poisoned their own children. No f'g way am I going
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:26 PM
Mar 2014

to be knowingly eating a Chinese imported food product ( and there are other countries on that list, and plenty of US producers too). And my own government is refusing to help me reach my own decision in this matter by labeling origin.

So chicken is out of my diet, except when and if I can identify it as local from start to finish, or raise it myself, as I do my beef supply. Otherwise I stick with my own beef, which we've been doing for quite a few years now.

I will never forgive or forget the pet food deal, ever. And my .gov will not force me into consuming what I decide is not safe to consume at this point, whether the origin is foreign or domestic. g-damn them for even trying.

And this is the group that wanted NAIS, purportedly so that diseased meat could be traced to the source more easily..but when labeling would help me refuse potentially tainted meat/crap that has traveled in shity containers or sat on docks without refrige, or for whatever f'g reason oh no, I can't be trusted with that info. Am starting to believe that someone would rather see small local producers go out of biz to make way for easier to control Agra-biz, as some claim.

Well, whatever their reasons, I opted out in many ways after my dog crisis and the net result has been far better in ways I didn't imagine. I will again pick a different path.

santamargarita

(3,170 posts)
57. Antifreeze in my chicken? What could go wrong there.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:03 PM
Mar 2014

I hope they're appropriately labeled so I won't buy them. I don't buy anything made in China-not on purpose.
And, More jobs go away - I bet Republicans are pissing in their pants with joy. It's cheaper to pay shipping costs and costs in China than to do the proper thing by paying wages in this country?

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
59. Chicken ships?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:37 PM
Mar 2014

Get a large tanker type ship, fit it for raising chickens. Shouldn't be all that difficult and several decks can be used . Raise the chickens on the ship sitting off the coast of China for the several weeks it takes to get them to market size and then harvest them on board, freeze them, send them off to America.
Now that is really chicken shipping. Even the waste from manure and feathers and blood can be used.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
65. who will be disallowed from labeling the origin of their meat
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:43 PM
Mar 2014

as it would violate TPP or some other profit protection legislation.

no sarcasm.

 

Mag238

(26 posts)
67. There goes my career as a chicken flicker.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 02:23 PM
Mar 2014

I had such a bright future. But I refuse to move to China.

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
68. I wonder if they will ship all the way to China or
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:04 PM
Mar 2014

go out into the international zone on processing boats and just throw the waste into the sea...after all it's a big place.

Boy but think what that means if they did ship all the way...18 days over, 18 days back and a few processing, packing and standing in the warehouse days...eww; salmanella city

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
78. The is so amazingly stupid and wasteful
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:59 AM
Mar 2014

And what for? Because wages in China are pennies on the dollar? So much so that it's somehow more profitable to ship chickens across the Pacific and back?

What an odd species we've become.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
81. On reflection, it seems that little by little
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:41 AM
Mar 2014

I've been giving up animal protein.

First it was milk -- FDA allows a certain amount of pus (yes, pus - like from infections) in milk

Then it was beef -- mad cow and the appalling conditions of abattoirs

Quit fish -- too many instances of deliberate mislabeling of poor quality fish with higher quality names and raised in filthy ponds.

And don't forget shrimp and other shellfish raised in ponds so filthy they have to be treated with antibiotics

And now chicken -- I love chicken, plain, sauced, in different recipes -- and now with no country-of-origin labeling, I'll quit that too.

I've got enough health issues; I don't need to risk whatever crap winds up in food due to not just lack of regulations, but deliberate acts polluting our foods.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
84. ***FOOD SAFETY NEWS to spread awareness/STOP this from reaching supermarkets or school lunchrooms.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:54 PM
Mar 2014

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NickB79

(19,224 posts)
89. Fuck it, I'm growing my own this year
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:16 PM
Mar 2014

We butchered our last flock 2 1/2 years ago, and didn't get new chicks yet because we were too busy raising a baby.

Now that she's 4 years old and excited about helping me in the garden, we're getting new birds this year. And instead of buying meat-specific varieties, we're getting dual-purpose breeds that will be used primarily for eggs and fertilizer for the garden. Only when their egg production falls to unacceptable levels 5-6 years from now will they become chicken soup.

So long as I can have an egg or two a day in my diet, I don't need much meat. We can go in with some coworkers and stock the freezer with a free-range Angus steer from a local rancher for $3.50/lb processed, and hunt and fish for whatever else we need (squirrel, rabbit and groundhog are surprisingly tasty in a crockpot stew )

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