USDA to Allow Chickens From U.S. to Be Shipped to China for Processing and Back to U.S. for Consumpt
Source: EcoWatch
Scores of Americans are in an uproar since Food Safety News revealed the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) will soon allow U.S. chickens to be sent to China for processing before being shipped back to the states for human consumption.
This arrangement is especially disturbing given Chinas subpar food safety record and the fact that there are no plans to station on-site USDA inspectors at Chinese plants. Also, American consumers wont know which brands of chicken are processed in China because theres no requirement to label it as such.
To ease concerns, lobbyists and chicken industry proponents argue no U.S. company will ever ship chicken to China for processing because it wouldnt work economically.
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Yet, a similar process is already being used for U.S. seafood.
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Read more: http://ecowatch.com/2014/03/05/usda-chickens-shipped-china/
Not Sure
(735 posts)Who the hell comes up with this shit?
Also, American consumers wont know which brands of chicken are processed in China because theres no requirement to label it as such.
Uh, okay... sounds like a new requirement is in order posthaste!
To ease concerns, lobbyists and chicken industry proponents argue no U.S. company will ever ship chicken to China for processing because it wouldnt work economically.
Sure, it'll never happen. There's no way it could be profitable to make the unassembled parts of consumer products here in the US, ship them to China for assembly and packaging, then ship them back for retail distribution. I mean, it's gotta be cheaper to do it all here, right? Or at least in Mexico?
Except that it's not.
How is that even possible? Simple, the contractor subs out the work to a third party that doesn't follow safety rules because that's where the profit margin is. When the subcontractor gets caught, shut 'em down! Magically, a new contractor appears in the very same place.
Just wait until they do it with our food. Oh, wait...
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)This is just fucking common sense that imported food should be labeled. I live in South Korea and they have VERY strict laws on imported food. They have stopped most of (I wouldn't say all) the GMO food from coming into Korea. The origin of the food has to be disclosed to the consumer.
By the way, most Koreans won't buy Chinese vegetables or fruits because of the use of waste water for irrigation.
This one area where the US should take a look at Korean law.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)the chickiefarmers will raise hell and boom no more melaminelacedchicken
Scairp
(2,749 posts)I won't feed my young daughter chicken processed in China when I don't even buy those poison dog and cat treats they import that have killed a number of animals. And since when can't we process our own chickens? This makes less than zero sense.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)chicken nuggets and horrible stuff.
Another plan in the works is to allow the importation of Chinese raised chicken. Not kidding. They know they have to go slow. I'd google the links but I'm too sleeeepy. Ok lazy.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)This admini$tration and most of Congre$$ sure as hell are not representing me.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)As with everything in DC- follow the money.
ThomThom
(1,486 posts)and curb stupid ideas like this
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)big business doesn't want them, and they write the laws
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)ignore the will of the people. I guess I will stop eating chicken.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)I don't eat chicken anymore unless I know the farmer who gives them free range and organic food. Otherwise, beware
Systematic Chaos
(8,601 posts)Even plant-based eating is no longer free of risks, but you'll feel a thousand percent better than if you're trying to cope with this bullshit.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:45 AM - Edit history (1)
chickens passage to China and back for the purposes of being plucked?
China, the place that killed a fair number of pet dogs and cats with Melamine-laced food, an ingredient in plastics and fertilizer which, perhaps, was intentionally added to food to poison pets, which I personally regard as an act of terrorism. But I like dogs. Diamond Brand, as I recall. But not to worry, I am quite sure these workers care far more about you and your family and neighbors than Spot. And I am sure that was just an isolated incident. Or two. But I digress.
So like a USDA employee just had a "eureka" moment? Without anyone asking them such as, perhaps, "lobbyists and chicken industry proponents" who might be looking to get done to a chicken for 12 cents what costs 95 cents here? Times millions and millions of times.
In any event, now "lobbyists and chicken industry proponents" are assuring us that the economics would prevent it from ever happening. Yet it was already prevented, apparently, by regulation.
$2 winner, chicken dinner.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)And don't ever eat fish sticks.
I knew a family who partners with the owners of processing ships who said they vacuum up whatever's on the ocean floor, 'bleach' the ground bits with whatever they get, bread it and package it up for sale. It's done onboard on the seas, no one there to argue.
They won't eat it and warned me to not do so. That's just anecdotal, so you can take it as you will. They saw nothing wrong with making millions of dollars doing such shit.
classykaren
(769 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Much as I've tried to inform him about the dice-i-ness of consuming such processed food products, he can't resist what appears to be a bargain. He made them for dinner, and we ate them - they actually tasted okay, but I won't touch them again.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)I try to avoid anything made or processed in China anymore. It's very difficult. But most especially, I am careful to choose toys and pet items that are not made in China. Fortunately I'm vegan, and my cats eat ground turkey. But if they ever start sending turkeys to China for processing, I'll have to find something else to feed them.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Glazed ceramicware from China (Also Mexico) is known to contain high amounts of lead and other nasty elements. I know cheap pet dishes from China seem to be popular, but DON'T buy them unless you want to slowly poison your pet with every meal. That also applies to dishes, cups, mugs meant for humans, too.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)Let me get this straight. We are going to ship a $5 chicken ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE PACIFIC OCEAN, process it, and SHIP IT ALL THE WAY BACK ACROSS THE PACIFIC OCEAN for US to eat? Does this even make a fookin' bit of sense to anyone? How can this insanity even make sense to anyone???
I just can't believe we are actually going to do such a stupid thing. Ship it back and forth for US TO EAT??? You have to be fookin' kidding me!
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)Some corporate lunatic thought this up to shave a quarter off the price of chicken.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Any net savings will go into the pockets of the "job creators".
closeupready
(29,503 posts)classykaren
(769 posts)It was uncooked ground meat. last time I shopped there.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)The nerve.
durablend
(7,456 posts)Like the other person above said, they STILL won't be able to afford it since any "savings" sure as hell won't be passed along.
Kablooie
(18,612 posts)But plenty of American companies still sell them.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)we had a cat get real sick during that period when the poison was a plenty coming from chinese mfg, won't make that mistake again if I can help it.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Preferably, the chickens are free range and have a natural diet. Yes, the chickens are $20.00 a pop but they're raised here and butchered here and, if you know how to cook, you can easily turn that chicken into at least 10 meals, if not more.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)is not a regular option for my family. I work for wages that, while higher than that of a Chinese slaughterhouse worker, haven't increased in years and I built my life around 3 dollar per pound chicken.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)I've been poor most of my life. Seriously, I'm sorry you chose to take my post in that way. No, $20.00 per chicken is not going to be possible for many people. I understand that. I only get like 2 a month because *I* can't afford any more than that. The way I stretch that is by baking the chicken wherein I get maybe 4-6 meals out of it, then I use the bones and left over meat to make chicken and dumplings or chicken soup wherein I get another probably 6-8 more meals.
Unfortunately, the alternative is to buy cheaper chicken but you've no idea if that chicken has been shipped to China where there are NO meat inspectors and the conditions in which they are processed are abhorrent by our standards. And, as any restaurant worker will tell you, chicken is the one commodity that can be so easily contaminated. It's why it's kept on the lowest shelf in a commercial refrigerator. It's the meat with the highest chance of e-Coli and botulism. Nasty nasty stuff that you don't want to have even a chance of contamination that can, literally, kill you.
I also have a veggie garden in my postage-stamp-sized back yard so that helps supplement my grocery bill considerably. I'm also fortunate enough to live in farm country and people know that I'm a canning fool so it's not unusual for people to bring me produce which I'm able to can for use is in the off-season.
Truly, ES, I do understand, most profoundly, limited income. I've dealt with it most of my life.
A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)It was my understanding that this law would affect processed chicken only - nuggets, breaded chicken, etc. Just buying uncooked chicken breast is supposedly not going to be an issue - (don't have the link but there were several threads about this awhile back).
It's still a horrible idea.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Personally, I try not to eat processed anything if I can help it but I know a lot of people do and that's their right to do so. But China has such a horrid track record with food contamination I hope more people are made aware of where their processed foods have actually been processed.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)There are animals that are bred specifically for their meat and the local ranchers know how to raise them humanely and kill them humanely. I prefer my deer alive, beautiful and free, as they're supposed to be. And there's a beautiful grey dove right outside my window as we speak who is cooing calmly. I derive great pleasure from that sound. I'd much rather her alive than dead.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)I completely understand the squeamishness in the killing, skinning & slaughtering process (which is also hard work), but if you did hunt, you would find few hunters gain pleasure from killing, and even less from suffering. That's why most hunters take care when shooting; even the celebrations are centered on taking a desired animal, its recovery, and quick death.
I agree both deer and dove are beautiful. During off-season, have reported injured deer to animal rescue agencies, and finished off crippled dove when I have found them -- and properly cleaned them for a later meal. Both species are in abundant supply; the former can be found along roadways in great numbers, and usually alive.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)you people could just go to the grocery store or farmers markets like everybody else and allow wild, free things to live. And yes, you people DO derive pleasure from killing. It's why you buy your pew pew toys and, in order to use them, something must die in the process.
I've no respect for anyone who does what you do. None.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)You don't seem to understand that we all kill to eat.
All of us.
That you rationalize it by letting someone else do the deed by your demand, and by categorizing your meat in the in that earliest commercial class of animals (commonly called "livestock" is mere back-bleacher hypocrisy. But the hateful spew-spew corrupts your values more deeply than most who have the honesty to concede inconsistency.
Have a better day.
packman
(16,296 posts)Every time a "hunter" kills any wildlife, it diminishes nature for all people. If you get a gun, get a few acres and believe it gives you the right to subtract from the wild with your reasoned formula that somehow you are doing right or makes you feel that you aren't buying into the grocery store crowd, it is because it satisfies some need to kill.
indie9197
(509 posts)and gets 200 lbs of pesticide-free, hormone-free, high omega 3 meat is doing it for the thrill of the kill? You really dont know what you are talking about.
arikara
(5,562 posts)Modern cruel factory farm practices where animals live crowded in filth, fattened on unnatural food and drugs, and basically tortured at the end of their miserable lives to end up on a supermarket shelf diminish the people who ingest them as food. If you are eating meat and buying out of a grocery store, this is the meat you are eating.
My father used to hunt moose in order to feed the family when we needed meat. My mother used to put a net in the water and pull out wild salmon. We also had chickens and sometimes pigs. All animals, wild and domesticated lived good lives, were appreciated and treated humanely.
I assure you, my parents never had an "urge to kill". They did however have an urge to feed their kids healthy food even when they were broke.
packman
(16,296 posts)in killing the moose or elk that made you somehow superior to the wretches who eat all that filthy, unnaturally raised , drug filled , tortured farm raised animals. While you and your parents lovingly killed the pets you raised on your golden acres . Your parents killed the deer and the elk and dragged the wild salmon out of the rivers and THAT DIMINISHED all of nature. In the future I imagine we can say that because people felt they had the right , as we show our children pictures of the extinct elk,deer, or salmon, they did it because daddy and mommy didn't want their kids to starve.
Perhaps we need to look at Mommy and Daddy a little closer and ask why they had to get a gun or a net and plunder nature and deprive man of his right to appreciate those animals they slaughtered to feed their starving children.
arikara
(5,562 posts)If you are, fine. I totally respect your opinion. If you do eat meat, your reaction is somewhat naive.
packman
(16,296 posts)Nature lover and wildlife lover-hell, YES. No one, repeat, No one has the right to kill that which should belong to all.
Buffalo hunters almost killed off the great American Buffalo, Passenger pigeons no longer exist. Tigers on the edge of extinction. These things diminish us all. Will the person who pulls up the last salmon or kill the last Elk or kill the last whatever wild creature say, "Dammit, now I gots to eat that damn grocery store chicken".
I refuse to get into this volleyball over the net to you, back to me, etc. My opinion will not change and if one cannot see that, no reason to banter on with this.
NickB79
(19,224 posts)Short answer: they don't. A cow or pig has just as much right to live as a deer or duck, even if they don't illicit the same emotional response so many people base irrational beliefs like yours on.
Once you realize that, it boils down to how much cruelty you're willing to accept for your meat. Even a well-run, humane family farm (like I grew up on) requires animals be kept in confined areas at times, castrated, dehorned, given sometimes-painful shots, etc, for months and years until slaughter.
A good hunter, on the other hand, fires a shot that kills the game animal in a matter of seconds, with a minimum of suffering.
If you eat meat, you WILL cause an animal to suffer. There is no escaping it. To simply say "go shopping at a grocery store like everyone else" is the epitome of burying your head in the sand to escape this simple fact.
MADem
(135,425 posts)People will start looking for that "Processed Entirely In USA" label.
Thing is, the "prepared" foods in your grocer's freezer? Watch out for that shit, if you buy it all all...
mdbl
(4,973 posts)I have a feeling they have a way to make a 5$ chicken turn into 50$ worth of nuggets, but only in a chinese factory where you can use any fillers you want.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)And they do control the regulation legislation process on every front. It's beyond sickening. It is ruining the nation.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)I changed apple juice from Juicy Juice to Lucky Leaf because that's the only juice made in the U.S. with U.S. grown apples. Lots of juices aren't even labelled. It's getting harder and harder to find out where some of this food is coming from.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)OMG. Shipping chickens 1/2 way across the world, twice, for a few extra bucks? What is corporate America saving here? 20 cents a chicken? Does anyone else see a potential problem here? Not only taking jobs away from America again, but risking the processing of our meat in China? This is totally out of control, and we will ultimately pay the price, not only in the supermarket, but with our health. And not labeling them? We are idiots for allowing such a practice. Are we this fucking stupid?
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)durablend
(7,456 posts)Those Medicare and Social Security thingys are expensive y'know. Some "population subtraction" will take care of that.
valerief
(53,235 posts)mean it goes to China first anyway?
I didn't know seafood was going to China now.
valerief
(53,235 posts)greymattermom
(5,751 posts)it's great, and will never go to China.
get the red out
(13,460 posts)Why not just process them here? Is there now some kind of law against jobs being in the US instead of China? Shipping comes at a high energy cost.
There is no level that this is not completely despicable on.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)same thing with nets of carp, feral hogs, downer dairy cows, their yearly newborn calves, what other animals can a Corp. stuff into a shipping container? Have slave labor "process cheap meat" into meals for?.
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)sardines and oysters and now I bought Sunflower seeds from China (didn't notice till I got home). It's getting harder to find things that are not processed there.
marble falls
(57,013 posts)roody
(10,849 posts)Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)this poisoned shit everyone says.
maybe auchuan, sugou or carrefour has it. maybe bhg.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)They ship it out because in the US, it's easier to hide among all the other imported food. And inspection here is very lax. Not until people or animals start dying immediately after ingestion do our inspectors really get involved. Now if you are a small local farmer then you get inspected 3 ways to Sunday.
Though I have heard of some cases of people in China getting sent to jail for serving tainted foods.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)Mag238
(26 posts)In the Shenzen Walmart, parents let their small kids take a dump in the aisles. Yes, a bowel movement. Sorry to leave you with that image in your mind.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)I've watched it over garbage cans, on the subway, on a street corner, on the sidewalk.
You think it is any different here in Suzhou, or back in Nanjing, or back in Shijiazhuang or in Beijing.
NO!!! It's part of the mindset.
Mag238
(26 posts)A second generation Taiwanese-American woman who traveled there with me was shocked by the unsanitary conditions everywhere. She had never been to mainland China before. Her memorable comment: "They are stuck in this swamp of filth and they don't even want to get out of it."
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)anywhere you want. . .and if you can't accept it, you don't understand China. You don't respect Chinese people and you need to go back to your home country because this is China and you can't impose your attitudes on us, and you must respect us, but we will have no respect for you at all, stupid foreigner.
Oh, and if you speak mandarin and make a small mistake we will laugh at you to your face because we think you sound funny and talk like a baby, but if you laugh at our lousy English. . .you're just a typical rude foreigner and you need to understand my English is poor.
Seven years here. . .I know this attitude first had.
CrispyQ
(36,424 posts)I'm sure handling them with care will be at the top of the list, not.
I'm so glad I'm veg & not a part of this vile industry.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)They will kill them, freeze them, ship them there for "processing" into McNuggets, dog and cat food, etc, and then ship the poisonous results back to us.
But going veg is the best response.
I just need to figure out how to safely and affordably feed my dogs.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Who thought this up?
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Such bullshit.
DeschutesRiver
(2,354 posts)to be knowingly eating a Chinese imported food product ( and there are other countries on that list, and plenty of US producers too). And my own government is refusing to help me reach my own decision in this matter by labeling origin.
So chicken is out of my diet, except when and if I can identify it as local from start to finish, or raise it myself, as I do my beef supply. Otherwise I stick with my own beef, which we've been doing for quite a few years now.
I will never forgive or forget the pet food deal, ever. And my .gov will not force me into consuming what I decide is not safe to consume at this point, whether the origin is foreign or domestic. g-damn them for even trying.
And this is the group that wanted NAIS, purportedly so that diseased meat could be traced to the source more easily..but when labeling would help me refuse potentially tainted meat/crap that has traveled in shity containers or sat on docks without refrige, or for whatever f'g reason oh no, I can't be trusted with that info. Am starting to believe that someone would rather see small local producers go out of biz to make way for easier to control Agra-biz, as some claim.
Well, whatever their reasons, I opted out in many ways after my dog crisis and the net result has been far better in ways I didn't imagine. I will again pick a different path.
santamargarita
(3,170 posts)I hope they're appropriately labeled so I won't buy them. I don't buy anything made in China-not on purpose.
And, More jobs go away - I bet Republicans are pissing in their pants with joy. It's cheaper to pay shipping costs and costs in China than to do the proper thing by paying wages in this country?
packman
(16,296 posts)Get a large tanker type ship, fit it for raising chickens. Shouldn't be all that difficult and several decks can be used . Raise the chickens on the ship sitting off the coast of China for the several weeks it takes to get them to market size and then harvest them on board, freeze them, send them off to America.
Now that is really chicken shipping. Even the waste from manure and feathers and blood can be used.
jsr
(7,712 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)as it would violate TPP or some other profit protection legislation.
no sarcasm.
bullwinkle428
(20,628 posts)Mag238
(26 posts)I had such a bright future. But I refuse to move to China.
WhiteTara
(29,692 posts)go out into the international zone on processing boats and just throw the waste into the sea...after all it's a big place.
Boy but think what that means if they did ship all the way...18 days over, 18 days back and a few processing, packing and standing in the warehouse days...eww; salmanella city
Jake2413
(226 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)And what for? Because wages in China are pennies on the dollar? So much so that it's somehow more profitable to ship chickens across the Pacific and back?
What an odd species we've become.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)USC Study Links Animal Protein Consumption to Cancer
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/usc_study_links_animal_protein_consumption_to_cancer_20140305
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)I've been giving up animal protein.
First it was milk -- FDA allows a certain amount of pus (yes, pus - like from infections) in milk
Then it was beef -- mad cow and the appalling conditions of abattoirs
Quit fish -- too many instances of deliberate mislabeling of poor quality fish with higher quality names and raised in filthy ponds.
And don't forget shrimp and other shellfish raised in ponds so filthy they have to be treated with antibiotics
And now chicken -- I love chicken, plain, sauced, in different recipes -- and now with no country-of-origin labeling, I'll quit that too.
I've got enough health issues; I don't need to risk whatever crap winds up in food due to not just lack of regulations, but deliberate acts polluting our foods.
proverbialwisdom
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KamaAina
(78,249 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)NickB79
(19,224 posts)We butchered our last flock 2 1/2 years ago, and didn't get new chicks yet because we were too busy raising a baby.
Now that she's 4 years old and excited about helping me in the garden, we're getting new birds this year. And instead of buying meat-specific varieties, we're getting dual-purpose breeds that will be used primarily for eggs and fertilizer for the garden. Only when their egg production falls to unacceptable levels 5-6 years from now will they become chicken soup.
So long as I can have an egg or two a day in my diet, I don't need much meat. We can go in with some coworkers and stock the freezer with a free-range Angus steer from a local rancher for $3.50/lb processed, and hunt and fish for whatever else we need (squirrel, rabbit and groundhog are surprisingly tasty in a crockpot stew )
flvegan
(64,406 posts)to sidestep this silliness. If only...