Crimean Tatars Asked to Vacate Land, Regional Official Says
Source: Moscow Times
Ukraine's breakaway region of Crimea will ask Tatars to vacate part of the land where they now live in exchange for new territory elsewhere in the region, a top Crimean government official has said.
Crimean Deputy Prime Minister Rustam Temirgaliyev said Tuesday that the new government in Crimea, where residents voted Sunday to become part of Russia, wants to regularize the land unofficially taken over by Crimean Tatar squatters following the collapse of the Soviet Union.
"We have asked the Crimean Tatars to vacate part of their land, which is required for social needs," Temirgaliyev said. "But we are ready to allocate and legalize many other plots of land to ensure a normal life for the Crimean Tatars," he said.
Temirgaliyev emphasized that members of the Tatar community could receive senior political positions in the new government, in an apparent move to ease ethnic tensions in the region.
Read more: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/crimean-tatars-asked-to-vacate-land-regional-official-says/496451.html
Freedom is on the march.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)same old same old for minority ethnicities when the majority decides they want land, no matter where in the world you are.
djean111
(14,255 posts)To all and sundry.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)During WW II except Russia has never made things right for the Crimean Tartar's and, indeed, are compounding the problem now.
One difference is that the Tatars have been there since the 1400s.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)There is an Irish curse, "To hell or Connaught", because that was the choice Oliver Cromwell gave them.
Give up your lands and property (for the good of the realm...or at-least the Protestants that Cromwell considered the only human beings living in Ireland) or else he would send forces to commit genocide. Not an idle threat, he really did order the English army to murder entire families, including infants, of any Irish-Catholics they found. Connaught, the westernmost province of Ireland, was basically uninhabitable: rocky, useless for farming, windblown, cold, rainy, plague-infested. This was a death sentence.
Bad Thoughts
(2,531 posts)This is why international monitors are needed and why elections under duress produce tragic results.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)more than a few times around this country for the convenience of business, using government to take people's homes and property.
And if you don't go, they send people with guns to drag you out of your home.
Not a bit of difference. Just like the other examples above.
Bad Thoughts
(2,531 posts)There were hearings and discussions about compensation? Or are you saying that African Americans in NJ were targeted for removal?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)It's happened all over the country, there is rarely a fair hearing when corporations and governments are involved. It is so rare, so few that are actually successful, that it makes news when they are.
It goes further back, though. Contrasted with Crimea at the moment, we would be disingenuous assholes to call them out, living in our homes on the bones of people we killed and dispossessed, on the back of millions of black folk who were denied the right to even be a whole human much less own property or vote, not to mention millions of immigrant workers from other countries who were treated as less than human here. And now we live in an age where the corps have done such an outstanding job in working with the government to destroy the economy of the majority of the Americans we are now moving to a time when homes and property are being bought not by working people but by investors and others who work with the thieving class to deprive people of ownership.
In the end, no matter the difference in process, it is people being moved for another groups convenience, something we built this country on and something that still raises its little head today. At least they are making an offer - we shall see what happens.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)similar to when Stalin "relocated" them the first time. Hopefully this time they will get representation in government and new homes. This doesn't have to end in cleansing or relocation away from Crimea.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)They're being moved from one bit of land in Crimea to another bit of land in Crimea.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)but hey, it's all ok, right?
EmilyAnne
(2,769 posts)BTW- you need to move. Ok?
Like right now.
Vacate your home.
No big deal, though.
You won't be homeless or anything.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)about their "rights" in this country where money buys its own justice.
The Tatars said they didn't want to be there. Russia is offering a decent deal, just like they are to the business and homes being relocated for a highway through our town - and they have NO fucking right to appeal or any choice.
The characterization of cleansing is just sensationalistic bs.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)to live in their ancestral homeland? Where did you get that idea? do you mean they don't want to live there under Russian rule?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/mar/19/ukraine-tatars-crimea-russian-future-video
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)in fact a lot of people in this country who never, honestly, had the ability to fight on a level playing field to avoid losing their property. We don't give a flying fuck about people's ancestral homelands. lol, If we want it, we kill them and take it. Look at this entire country. Look at how we helped Israel kick people out and keep them subjugated.
I have read reports that some no longer want to be there with the Russians ruling. Your video presents a different viewpoint. I am quite sure it is not only hard to see what is really happening but also that there are differing viewpoints among the people. But things change, and they are going to have to adapt.
The Russians have strategic reasons to take that area back, and, frankly, if the u.s. hadn't wanted this to happen we should have kept our snoot out of it, and not spent $5 billion and cookies engineering it. Now whining about what is inevitable sounds disingenuous, and naive.
I think the Russians are now occupying the area where their bases and people have been for a long, long time, and everyone needs to grow the fuck up and live with it. Don't like it? Too bad. There's little we can do without hurting a bunch of people here as well. Again, shouldn't start pushing people around unless yo know they are smaller and weaker than you - the thing we are best at now.
Here's one of our good folk, one who passed out the cookies and cash, chortling on about it...
Cha
(297,655 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Yeah, I figured that would be too subtle...
Cha
(297,655 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)they admitted this was bad and now 8 days later doing something similar . Brains? Something else going on...
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)here. The teller at my bank is from Kiev.
The unfunny part is that perhaps the United States should keep it's friggin' nose out of helping to depose other people's governments, and perhaps shit like this wouldn't have to happen.
Cha
(297,655 posts)of the putin propagandistas around here.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Yes, of course there is room for both...
My gut feeling is that the pro-Russians that have lived in Crimea know exactly what lands are valuable/desirable. The Russian annexation is looking to be starting with corruption, this won't end well, because corruption is universally hated.
ashling
(25,771 posts)... to move to the reservation.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)or last month or last year, that a whole ethnic group suddenly needs to be moved? It sure didn't take long for the mask to slip off, did it?
blackspade
(10,056 posts)I mean Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. Nothing too subtle about that!
Cha
(297,655 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)K&R
Berlin Expat
(950 posts)Putin is so much better a leader in that glorious land of freedom and democracy that is Russia! How can this be?
For heaven's sake, anyone who didn't see this coming is either a cretin or wilfully blind.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)"Nearly 30 percent of Crimean Tatars voted in favor of reunification with Russia at Sunday's referendum, Temirgaliyev said."
That would be: Crimean Deputy Prime Minister Rustam Temirgaliyev
Not saying it didn't happen, but seriously questioning it.
Cha
(297,655 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)The document was adopted during an extraordinary session of Parliament.
Total of 81 out of 100 members of the Parliament voted for the decision.
Aware of the tragic fate of the Crimean Tatar people in the twentieth century, we recognize their return and settlement in their historical homeland as act of justice. In order to contribute to the restoration of rights of Crimean Tatar people Crimean Parliament adopted a decree on Guarantee of restoration the rights of Crimean Tatars and their integration to Crimean society- read the statement.
Speaker of Crimean Parliament Vladimir Konstantinov noted, this decree is historical, adding that Crimean Tatar people waited for such a decree for 70 years.
Neither Soviet Union nor Independent Ukraine offered Crimean Tatar people so much. This is what Crimean Tatars have struggled for. It will make all the residents of Crimea feel safe and comfortable on our Crimean land- Konstantinov stressed.
Among the main points of the decree there are:
Declare Crimean Tatar language official in Crimea along with Ukrainian and Russian languages;
Guarantee that Crimean Tatars will represent %20 in Crimean Parliament;
Declare Qurultay as national congress, the supreme representative plenipotentiary body of the Crimean Tatar people;
Settlement of Crimean Tatar issues, among them legal, financial and land issues;
Realization of the rights and interests of the Crimean Tatar people in cultural sphere, and the others.
http://qha.com.ua/crimean-parliament-approves-a-decree-on-crimean-tatar-rights-130815en.html
Sorry, this sounds more and more like a decision to actually address the CONCERNS of the Tartars, who technically are NOT on land they own, but they just moved into.
Now the above cite is from the Crimea Government and thus can be held with some suspicion, but it at least shows a desire to address the problems of the Tartars.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)DFW
(54,436 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)some government buildings in Crimea blow up at this point. Strangely enough, people don't like being ejected from their homes because of their ethnicity.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Look there, look there.
Does any one want to call Putin the liberator of the Crimea now? It looks like both sides have right wing thugs. The right wing thugs are directing events in Crimea.
Meanwhile, the spotlight is on Putin. If its from a lamp post, that would be a good thing.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)People can't live normal lives all over the world because of this mindless antagonism.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)The definition of the Left is to hold to a democratic ideal where all the human race are brothers and sisters to each other. Consequently, when we support the rights of the people, no one is left out. Each person has the same rights as the next person. Moreover, it ridiculous to laud some people as entitled to special privileges because they are somehow more important or just "better". The chief officers of industry, even in the case where private industry exists is no more important than the trash collector, even if such a person has a greater responsibility; if the trash collector doesn't perform his job well, there are many other trash collectors and the job still gets done; but if the officer responsible for industrial enterprise doesn't do his job right, the result may be the collapse of the enterprise or even the collapse of the world economy (am I getting through to you, Mr. Dimon? Mr. Blankfein?).
The right wing ideology takes for granted that some people are better than others and have the right to rule over others. Unfortunately, there never seems to be an agreement among various and sundry right wingers as to who is superior. Hitler said it was the Aryans, Bibi says it Jews, Slobo Milosevic said it was Serbs, Osama said it was Muslims and the Koch brothers say it's rich Americans. Well, they can't all be right, but they do agree that they have the right to persecute inferior peoples, to include driving them from their homes or even killing them. So eventually they end up driving each other from their homes and killing each other. Is there no sense of universal human brotherhood among such bastards? Of course not. Not when they are so convinced that each is elite either by nature of divine providence.
Which is why such people belong locked up in the slammer with the key thrown down the Mariana Trench (am I getting through to you Bibi? Dave? Charlie? Vladimir Vladimirovich?)
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)hide. Poor things.. I sure the hell don't want to move out of my home.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)until Stalin moved many out and moved the Russians in. They don't need any more crap to happen to them.
Cha
(297,655 posts)Bosonic
(3,746 posts)Attacks on Muslim minority have increased, bringing memories of Stalin-era deportation in which half died.
On the outskirts of Simferopol a cluster of uneven houses and a mosque cling to the edge of the highway. "This was once just a field, but now we have built our own city. We built this with only our bare hands and a few tools," says Dzhalil Ibrahimov, a member of the Mejlis, the Tatar council which represents Crimea's Muslim minority. "This is a creation of the Tatar people. The state didn't help us as at all."
The Tatars' existence in Ukraine has long been precarious. In 1944 Stalin ordered that the Sunni Muslim group be deported en masse on the pretext that they had collaborated with the Nazis. Crammed into cattle-wagons, nearly half of them died before they had even reached their destination in the wastelands of central Asia.
...
A Crimean nationalist group called Russia Unity has openly organised attacks on Tatar properties and desecrated graveyards. Last week, the leader of the party, Sergei Aksyonov, was named Crimean prime minister after Russian forces seized control of the peninsula.
Now, as Crimea faces a referendum that is likely to seal its fate as a province or satellite of Russia, ethnic tensions are reaching boiling point. In a chilling echo of history, Tatar houses in the Crimean city of Bakhchisarai have been marked with an ominous X, just as they were before the Soviet-era deportations. On Monday two Tatar businesses were firebombed.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/13/crimea-tatars-fear-worst-prepares-referendum
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)the Tatars are Muslim.
"In a chilling echo of history, Tatar houses in the Crimean city of Bakhchisarai have been marked with an ominous X, just as they were before the Soviet-era deportations. On Monday two Tatar businesses were firebombed."
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)And the Russians have such a sterling reputation as regards their own Muslim population:
Cha
(297,655 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)put a mark outside the Tatar homes. No wonder those families were so terrified. They knew what was to happen.
Cha
(297,655 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)As long as you aren't an ethnic minority.
Bad Thoughts
(2,531 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)are definitely forcing the innocent saviour Putin to do this (just in case)
Cha
(297,655 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)Beacool
(30,251 posts)Damn them for trying to restart relations with Russia after 8 years of a very contentious relationship between both countries.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Russian democracy, Yay!
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)Beacool
(30,251 posts)Nyet, I just want this little bit of land. No one will miss it.
Why does all of this bring to mind Mel Brooks and Springtime for Hitler? Change "Germany" for "Russia".
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Only time will tell.
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)There's no ambiguity about their lack of civil rights.
Besides, he has to gather them in the ghetto first before shipping them to Siberia.
Cha
(297,655 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)He's done some great work. At some point they are going to throw him out though.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Discussions about the Tatars on DU tend to lose sight of the fact that the Crimean Tatars are just a small portion of the overall Tatar population. The Tatars are the descendants of the old Turkish nomads and slave traders who started farming in the middle ages after they were conquered by the Mongols and encouraged to settle. Their native lands stretched from the Black Sea into modern China...most of "southern Russia" today..and they are the SECOND LARGEST ethnic group in Russia, behind only the ethnic Russian's themselves. They even have their own federal republic in Russia (Tatarstan) in which they are the majority population, and Tatars make up a large percentage of the population in several other Russian republics.
Tatars have no more or less rights than any other ethnic group in Russia, and modern Russian Tatars aren't beaten down the way they were over 70 years ago. There is no way that Russia could ship the Crimean Tatars to Siberia without the millions of other Tatars in Russia revolting. Putin doesn't wield anywhere near the power that Stalin did.
Cha
(297,655 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024695071
From your link, Tommy.. thank you..
"The Tatars, who make up 15 percent of Crimea's population, remain amongst the staunchest supporters of the new government in Kiev that ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych last month."
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)Everyone?
Yes, I'd say everyone could have seen that coming....
dreamstst
(53 posts)We had to call him "Colonel Morrat." When my older brother went to school there, he was a major. Somehow or other he got himself a promotion. Boy was he a disciplinarian! That was back in the days when teachers could hit students. He had a favorite wooden paddle, and did not spare its use. No offense to Tatars. Maybe that was just Colonel/Major Morrat.
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)I'm sure thus will end well.