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Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:15 PM Mar 2014

Judge strikes down Michigan ban on gay marriage as unconstitutional

Source: Detroit Free Press

In a historic ruling that provided a huge morale boost to the gay-rights movement, U.S. District Judge Bernard Friedman today struck down Michigan’s ban on same-sex marriage, making it the 18th state in the nation to allow gays and lesbians to join in matrimony, just like their heterosexual counterparts.

The state has long argued that it is, and that the will of 2.7 million voters — who in 2004 decided that marriage is only to be between a man and a woman — should not be drowned out by a single judge. The state also argues that it has a “legitimate” interest in preserving the traditional family structure because — it claims — children thrive best when raised by married moms and dads.

Friedman, though, sided with the plaintiffs: two Hazel Park lesbian nurses who argue the state has no “rational basis” for denying them the right to get married and adopt each others’ children.

The plaintiffs, April DeBoer and Jayne Rowse, are raising three special needs children together and want to get married. The also want to adopt each others’ children, but can’t because Michigan doesn’t allow same-sex couple adoptions. Rowse has two preschool-age boys; DeBoer has a 3-year-old daughter.

Read more: http://www.freep.com/article/20140321/NEWS06/303210121/Judge-strikes-down-Michigan-ban-gay-marriage-unconstitutional



Love it. Arc, moral universe, etc...
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Judge strikes down Michigan ban on gay marriage as unconstitutional (Original Post) Brickbat Mar 2014 OP
Thanks for posting. +1 eom Purveyor Mar 2014 #1
Two LISTS of states on the link below Tx4obama Mar 2014 #2
I really think the SCOTUS will have a very hard time avoiding this issue soon..... Swede Atlanta Mar 2014 #3
Hahaha! Loving this March of the Fundie Smackdown... closeupready Mar 2014 #4
Home most of my life, and will be home again soon. Faygo Kid Mar 2014 #5
According to local news reports, since the Judge didn't stay his ruling, marriages Purveyor Mar 2014 #6
Here are Schuette's comments: Purveyor Mar 2014 #7
Here is the interesting part: davidpdx Mar 2014 #26
And an UPDATE today on TENNESSEE too, below Tx4obama Mar 2014 #8
+1 jsr Mar 2014 #9
38.23% of the U.S. Population has access to Marriage Equality. Let's go for at least 51% by end '14 LynneSin Mar 2014 #10
k&r uppityperson Mar 2014 #11
I honestly thought Michigan was going to be one of the last states... GreenEyedLefty Mar 2014 #12
Woo Hoo! bigwillq Mar 2014 #13
Governor Granholm and Congressman Kildee just spread the word on Face Book Siwsan Mar 2014 #14
This is a well written opinion Gothmog Mar 2014 #15
AG is requesting a stay and is filing an appeal. AP article link below Tx4obama Mar 2014 #16
The moment the local news announced this.... llmart Mar 2014 #20
K&R Let freedom ring! friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #17
Hell yes! William769 Mar 2014 #18
I liked this part.... lancer78 Mar 2014 #19
This is just beautiful, looking them 'square in the eye.' JudyM Mar 2014 #22
Because lancer78 Mar 2014 #24
Best part was the judge's TAKE-DOWN of the University of Texas at Austin Regnerus RW funded "study" blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #21
I hope it stands fujiyama Mar 2014 #23
KICK! Cha Mar 2014 #25
2004 was a bad year davidpdx Mar 2014 #27
Weren't a lot of the bans put on state ballots maryellen99 Mar 2014 #28
I think so, but I'd have to look it up davidpdx Mar 2014 #29
That was the idea and it worked. efhmc Mar 2014 #30
Unfortunately the 6th Circuit ordered a stay until Wednesday. I felt so bad for the catbyte Mar 2014 #31
 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
3. I really think the SCOTUS will have a very hard time avoiding this issue soon.....
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:24 PM
Mar 2014

The right case has to wind it's way through the federal appellate process but eventually this issue, whether or not the federal or a state government or other sub-jurisdiction may deny a same-gender couple to obtain a government license to marry on the same basis as an opposite-gender couple and be accorded the same rights and obligations.

Too many district judges and even Circuits are chiming in on this. I believe the 10th Circuit in Denver is the next one to consider the Utah and Oklahoma? cases? I was surprised but not shocked that a group of Republican politicians from my home state of Wyoming have written an amicus brief in the Utah case urging to Court to find on the side of those wishing to marry.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
5. Home most of my life, and will be home again soon.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:30 PM
Mar 2014

Once a Michigander, always a Michigander, I guess. Very glad to hear this; I saw no other outcome given how weak the state's case was.

Good for Judge Friedman.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
6. According to local news reports, since the Judge didn't stay his ruling, marriages
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:30 PM
Mar 2014

could begin as soon as Monday but...

Michigan Attorney General Schutte has filed an emergency appeal to block this decision.

Stay tuned...

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
7. Here are Schuette's comments:
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:32 PM
Mar 2014

Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette filed an emergency request for stay of Friedman’s ruling.

“In 2004 the citizens of Michigan recognized that diversity in parenting is best for kids and families because moms and dads are not interchangeable. Michigan voters enshrined that decision in our State constitution, and their will should stand and be respected. I will continue to carry out my duty to protect and defend the Constitution,” said Schuette.

According to Schuette, Friedman did not follow the trend sent by other federal judges handling similar cases across the country, Judge Friedman did not stay his ruling pending the outcome of appeal.

http://www.freep.com/article/20140321/NEWS06/303210121/Michigan-gay-marriage-ruling

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
26. Here is the interesting part:
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 07:13 AM
Mar 2014
Just hours later, Washtenaw, Muskegon and Oakland counties announced they’ll open their clerk’s offices to issue marriage licenses on Saturday.


Here's the link to another article for Q & A:

http://www.freep.com/article/20140321/NEWS06/303210126/gay-marriage-Q-A

So at least three counties will open their offices for marriage licenses. Washtenaw is only going to issues 60, no word on the other two. My guess is those will go quick. The article says they have to wait three days (Tuesday). I wonder about the rest of the counties. It may be a race against the clock not only to get a license, but also to get married before a possible stay is put into place. While the ruling was not automatically stayed, who knows what could happen next week.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
8. And an UPDATE today on TENNESSEE too, below
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:43 PM
Mar 2014

Federal Judge Denies Tennessee’s Request To Halt Recognition Of Same-Sex Couples’ Marriages

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024705258


GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
12. I honestly thought Michigan was going to be one of the last states...
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:01 PM
Mar 2014

We are so ass-backward on so many issues... but this is a great day!

I was NOT one of the 2.7 million who voted for the amendment back in 2004.

Gothmog

(145,231 posts)
15. This is a well written opinion
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:07 PM
Mar 2014

The key issue in this case was whether same sex couples would be good parents compared to straight couples. The judge rejected the experts offered by the state of Michigan http://www.scribd.com/doc/213770186/2-12-cv-10285-151-Michigan-Decision

The Court was unable to accord the testimony of Marks, Price, and Allen any significant weight. Marks’s testimony is largely unbelievable. He characterized the overwhelming consensus among sociologists and psychologists who endorse the “no differences” viewpoint as“group think,” by which he said he meant a politically correct viewpoint that the majority has accepted without subjecting it to proper scientific scrutiny. Marks undertook an excruciatingly detailed examination of the 59 published studies cited by the APA in support of its 2005 “Brief on Lesbian and Gay Parenting,” in which it concluded that “[n]ot a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents.” Marks, as well as Price and Allen, faulted many of these studies for their small sample sizes, the non-random methods used to obtain subjects, and the fact that some lacked heterosexual comparison groups, among other criticisms. Marks, Price and Allen all failed to concede the importance of “convenience sampling” as a social science research tool. They, along with Regnerus, clearly represent a fringe viewpoint that is rejected by the vast majority of their colleagues across a variety of social science fields. The most that can be said of these witnesses’ testimony is that the “no differences” consensus has not been proven with scientific certainty, not that there is any credible evidence showing that children raised by same-sex couples fare worse than those raised by heterosexual couples.

This is a great ruling on the issue of whether children are hurt or injured due being raised by same sex couples. The Court did some great findings of fact here that will make this case an important case on this issue.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
16. AG is requesting a stay and is filing an appeal. AP article link below
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:21 PM
Mar 2014

-snip-

Attorney General Bill Schuette said he would immediately ask a federal appeals court to freeze Friedman's decision and prevent same-sex couples from marrying while he appeals the case.

-snip-

Full AP article here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GAY_MARRIAGE_MICHIGAN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-03-21-17-43-43


llmart

(15,539 posts)
20. The moment the local news announced this....
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:31 PM
Mar 2014

it was followed up by the news about Schuette. I hope that asshat gets shot down. These backwards Repukes will never get it that the tide is turning and their bigoted ways are not the wave of the future. He can take Snyder with him.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
19. I liked this part....
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:08 PM
Mar 2014

"Taking the state defendants’ position ( That SSM should be banned because it is a sub-optimal child rearing environment) to its logical conclusion, the empirical
evidence at hand should require that only rich, educated, suburban-dwelling, married Asians may
marry, to the exclusion of all other heterosexual couples."

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
21. Best part was the judge's TAKE-DOWN of the University of Texas at Austin Regnerus RW funded "study"
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:02 PM
Mar 2014
All in my opinion only, of course!

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
23. I hope it stands
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 12:58 AM
Mar 2014

I'm glad to see these stupid gay marriage bans falling apart, state by state. It was only ten years ago it passed, but it feels like a lifetime ago.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
27. 2004 was a bad year
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 07:14 AM
Mar 2014

The same year Oregon approved Measure 36. Hopefully both Oregon and Michigan reverse course this year.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
29. I think so, but I'd have to look it up
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 10:01 AM
Mar 2014

The only other one besides Michigan (mentioned in the article) is Oregon, which is my home state. I remember because I voted and am overseas. Late in the day Wednesday (here) I went to look at the results and was shocked it had passed. It didn't make a difference in the presidential election in Oregon (or in Michigan). Maybe it did in some other states.

catbyte

(34,386 posts)
31. Unfortunately the 6th Circuit ordered a stay until Wednesday. I felt so bad for the
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 04:12 PM
Mar 2014

couples waiting in line, watching others ahead of them getting married, only to be turned away. Michigan AG Bill Scheutte is a flaming bagger asshole.

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