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wilt the stilt

(4,528 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:27 PM Apr 2014

George Hincapie: Lance Armstrong not to blame for Cycling's dope culture

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by azurnoir (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: Examiner

Lance Armstrong said he is still a seven-time Tour de France winner despite being stripped of his titles for doping because the cyclists he had competed against also cheated, AFP reported.

"Yes, I feel that I won the races," said Armstrong. "I know that is not a popular answer, but the reality is, it was just a messy time. It was basically an arms race, and we all played ball that way."



Read more: http://www.examiner.com/article/lance-armstrong-says-he-is-still-a-seven-time-tour-de-france-winner



To everyone who dissed lance please learn something about this sport. Hincapie is one of the most respected cyclists around. This was a witch hunt by the anti doping agency. EVERYONE DID IT.
Learn something about the sport before you criticize about it.
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George Hincapie: Lance Armstrong not to blame for Cycling's dope culture (Original Post) wilt the stilt Apr 2014 OP
Sir Yes Sir! ret5hd Apr 2014 #1
Doesn't change my mind frazzled Apr 2014 #2
Ok. They are all cheating lying scumbags. Paulie Apr 2014 #3
Everyone did it? Assumes facts not in evidence. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #4
LOL Skittles Apr 2014 #5
Of course he's not to blame. geomon666 Apr 2014 #6
The more I learn about pro cycling, the less I like it. Mika Apr 2014 #7
So after years and years of lying about doping, Armstrong is finally admitting it aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2014 #8
I'm sorry, but 'Everyone Did It' is not justification groundloop Apr 2014 #9
The Cycling community erected a statue in 1967 wilt the stilt Apr 2014 #10
1. He's to blame for participating in it. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #11
if you read the article wilt the stilt Apr 2014 #13
I don't care if "everyone did it" Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #12
I hadn't heard about all of that. Sounds nasty. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #14
sorry locking article is dated 4/25 azurnoir Apr 2014 #15

ret5hd

(20,563 posts)
1. Sir Yes Sir!
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:31 PM
Apr 2014

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
2. Doesn't change my mind
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:31 PM
Apr 2014

"Everybody did it" is a lame excuse. I'm not saying Armstrong wasn't a great cyclist. But he was also a liar, a cheat, and (according to teammates) a bully.

Sports should be free of doping. Then everyone can compete on an even level, using their natural talents and hard work, and we'll still have a winner. The faster times are for making money, not for athletic prowess.

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
3. Ok. They are all cheating lying scumbags.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:31 PM
Apr 2014

Some are bigger cheating lying scumbags than others.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
4. Everyone did it? Assumes facts not in evidence.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:32 PM
Apr 2014

Skittles

(153,275 posts)
5. LOL
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:36 PM
Apr 2014

"everyone did it" does not relieve Mr. Armstrong of responsibility; it makes them ALL cheating scum

geomon666

(7,512 posts)
6. Of course he's not to blame.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:41 PM
Apr 2014

He's still a cheater though.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
7. The more I learn about pro cycling, the less I like it.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:45 PM
Apr 2014

No, I'm not a cycling hater. I'm a road cyclist.



aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
8. So after years and years of lying about doping, Armstrong is finally admitting it
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:46 PM
Apr 2014

If he was this great man of character as he was supposed to be, he would have come out and admitted it before being stripped and charged the entire sport with doping, for the good of the sport. Once you start doping and trying to dodge tests, you are throwing a monkey wrench into the works. There's no way to know if everyone is doping or doping to the same extent. There's no way to know if it's a level playing field. Lance Armstrong was just a selfish individual like everyone else; not the great hero.

groundloop

(11,530 posts)
9. I'm sorry, but 'Everyone Did It' is not justification
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:03 PM
Apr 2014

If society accepted the 'everyone did it' excuse there's a hell of a lot of bad out there that we'd let slide. Nope, I'm not buying that lame excuse.
 

wilt the stilt

(4,528 posts)
10. The Cycling community erected a statue in 1967
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:09 PM
Apr 2014

for Tommie Smith who died from speed. It's the culture. If you competed at the highest level and everyone was doing it "you wouldn't"? give me a break.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
11. 1. He's to blame for participating in it.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:15 PM
Apr 2014

2. He's to blame to have taken doping to a whole new level, thereby intensifying the race-to-the-bottom that was going on before he started doping. Armstrong was the first to use science and money to take it to a whole new level and he was instrumetal in establishing the Doping, Inc. culture. To say nothing of the pressure that he exerted on his teammates.

Being a turd in a bowl of turds does not unturd you, Lance.

 

wilt the stilt

(4,528 posts)
13. if you read the article
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:19 PM
Apr 2014

they weren't even as sophisticated as alot of the others. It would be a good idea to read the article.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
12. I don't care if "everyone did it"
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:17 PM
Apr 2014

because that still doesn't excuse all the people Armstrong slandered, threatened, intimidated, and blackballed out of the sport while trying to keep his secrets safe...

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
14. I hadn't heard about all of that. Sounds nasty. n/t
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:20 PM
Apr 2014

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
15. sorry locking article is dated 4/25
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:32 PM
Apr 2014

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