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brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:20 PM Apr 2014

Poll: Majority of Younger Voters Not Planning to Turn Up for Midterms

Source: Roll Call

Candidates running for office in this year’s midterm elections should expect little help from younger voters, most of whom, according to a poll released Tuesday, are unlikely to go to the polls in November.

The Harvard Institute of Politics poll of millenials found that just 23 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds say they will definitely vote in November. That number has fallen 11 percent just since last November, when 34 percent said they planned to vote in the 2014 midterms.

In February of 2010, before the last midterm election, 31 percent said they would definitely be voting.

Pollster John Della Volpe attributed the disinterest to a “decrease in trust” in government institutions and an “increase in cynicism.” Younger voters, he said, “need to feel like they’re making a difference,” a feeling that voting in elections does not necessarily provide. He noted as well that voting is often logistically difficult on college campuses.


Read more: http://atr.rollcall.com/poll-majority-of-younger-voters-not-planning-to-turn-up-for-midterms/?dcz=



Another poll that's not optimistic, so just ignore it.....
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Poll: Majority of Younger Voters Not Planning to Turn Up for Midterms (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2014 OP
They are going to learn the hard way. And I will not be feeling sorry for them. jwirr Apr 2014 #1
What are they going to learn? (no message) laurent Apr 2014 #14
That this midterm election is different. If we do not show up for this one we will lose what little jwirr Apr 2014 #18
It's always "But this one is different" isn't it? Nihil Apr 2014 #100
I have voted since JFK and it is not the actual primary that is different. It is the situation we jwirr Apr 2014 #109
"It is voters vs money." Nihil Apr 2014 #113
Yes, I hear it from mine also. And I just remember what an idealist I was in the 60s. Maybe we all jwirr Apr 2014 #115
Doesn't surprise me yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #21
I understand that but as you see in my other post I think this year is vitally different. I am going jwirr Apr 2014 #23
Learn the hard way that both parties are way to the right of the national center? Ash_F Apr 2014 #41
So they are going to let the SCOTUS go totally to the right for the next 40 years? They are going to jwirr Apr 2014 #45
Democrats have to court the voters, not the other way around Ash_F Apr 2014 #48
What I see #43 saying is that the gop propose plans for the future. What plans? Perpetual war? jwirr Apr 2014 #50
And all I see in your post is excuses. Ash_F Apr 2014 #51
LOL I have lived in poverty my entire adult life due to taking care of my disabled daughter. What am jwirr Apr 2014 #54
Democrats. /nt Ash_F Apr 2014 #56
Give me another party that is way left and I will vote for it. Until then the Democrats are what I jwirr Apr 2014 #58
That was not my point Ash_F Apr 2014 #62
On that I agree totally. I am from MN and both of my senators are progressives and the man we jwirr Apr 2014 #67
They feel like they don't have power and when they vote they are capitulating to people who do. Ash_F Apr 2014 #68
Got it. jwirr Apr 2014 #70
*That* is it. The beginning, the middle and the end. Nihil Apr 2014 #99
Agree with both of you but this midterm is a choice between UNTHINKABLE vs almost reasonable randys1 Apr 2014 #77
Maybe it is time for some "fresh blood" Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2014 #101
putting it terms of left/right divide is too kind: both parties are too CORRUPT yurbud Apr 2014 #60
I personally have come to associate right wing-ism with corruption. Ash_F Apr 2014 #63
in one sense, you are right. Right wingers take bribes as a matter of principle. Unfortunately... yurbud Apr 2014 #74
Thanks for the TeaLeftism. Yawn. RBInMaine Apr 2014 #84
Neither will I.. Vietnameravet Apr 2014 #103
Votes do count, voting is important, TP votes and we don't like TP ideas. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #2
Many here will insist this is a rightwing poll that can be ignored, and we're on the cusp of a great villager Apr 2014 #3
They haven't figured out yet how their slacking off in midterms effects the stuff they claim to care Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #4
Exactly treestar Apr 2014 #22
I'm proud of my nieces & nephews. They've taken the responsibility seriously. I hope it continues Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #30
Maybe POTUS can do a few campaign speeches treestar Apr 2014 #111
Let's hope they have a midterm strategy. I know that Urban radio can be counted on to GOTV. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #117
+100 theHandpuppet Apr 2014 #53
One day they'll wake up and ask WTF happened? When you've got idiots like these..... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #57
Don't forget the younger Paul as well Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2014 #102
I predict EPIC failure. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #116
The gov. is what people make it, so not voting just allows anything to happen and one RKP5637 Apr 2014 #5
Just a thought, but isn't nonvoting a strong indication of an opinion just as strong as a vote? GOPee Apr 2014 #24
I think that's quite true, they pick up on what they hear. I also think a lot of people RKP5637 Apr 2014 #44
I'm a "younger voter" and WILL send in my ballot this November. alp227 Apr 2014 #6
Don't forget primaries, if there's one No Vested Interest Apr 2014 #33
aah yes my city holds an election this June i think for mayor's primary nt alp227 Apr 2014 #35
Thank you and I know I was ranting and lumping a whole group into one for that I ask forgiveness. jwirr Apr 2014 #47
Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #7
"there's no point in voting for either party" geek tragedy Apr 2014 #11
What funny treestar Apr 2014 #25
Maybe when us old folks were young in the sixties upaloopa Apr 2014 #15
And guess which group of people the victors will think they can ignore? shawn703 Apr 2014 #8
The ones with the least money, and those who don't pay up. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2014 #9
No, they ignore the idiots who think that voting doesn't matter geek tragedy Apr 2014 #12
Just like every other mid-term in history. geek tragedy Apr 2014 #10
I firmly believe that mandating a "None of the above" on ballots... HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #13
We need compulary voting (Australia) with the option of "none of the above". Dawson Leery Apr 2014 #16
I agree with that. Blue_In_AK Apr 2014 #26
Cool! A fresh class of prisoners to feed the private prison industry! FrodosPet Apr 2014 #55
Pay people to vote. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #105
No kidding. nt onehandle Apr 2014 #17
They must enjoy having distrust cynicism liberal N proud Apr 2014 #19
If only we had the Aussie system: above 90% turnout always... FailureToCommunicate Apr 2014 #20
You realize that in a compulsory system, Republicans would have to vote too... brooklynite Apr 2014 #31
But Democrats outnumber Republicans in registration nationwide. ancianita Apr 2014 #83
...many of which are disaffected Republicans brooklynite Apr 2014 #88
The constitution would have to be changed for mandatory voting SpankMe Apr 2014 #40
Compulsory voting laws would also violate GOPers right to free speech (lies and vote suppression) groundloop Apr 2014 #46
And the election is on Saturday treestar Apr 2014 #112
That's the advantage of being young Turbineguy Apr 2014 #27
Maybe if Democrats proposed some policies that appealed to younger voters .... Scuba Apr 2014 #28
Exactly. Ash_F Apr 2014 #42
Gee, let's see how much has been done or is trying to be done for younger people: RBInMaine Apr 2014 #85
You must like losing more than I. Scuba Apr 2014 #87
Nice ideas Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2014 #104
So let's propose those policies and take the House and keep the Senate. Duh. Scuba Apr 2014 #108
Pardon me for being blunt... WilliamPitt Apr 2014 #29
Oh yeah, RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #34
If enlightened self-interest isn't motivational... WilliamPitt Apr 2014 #39
Well talking about eating dog shit because you don't vote RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #69
tells us more about that onion on your belt AngryAmish Apr 2014 #114
This, of course, is the fault of the "extreme left." 1000words Apr 2014 #32
Yep. progressoid Apr 2014 #37
They might as well vote repuke KamaAina Apr 2014 #36
They Want To Punish Obama otohara Apr 2014 #38
Perhaps, just perhaps Android3.14 Apr 2014 #43
Sorry proposing those would make the big mean Republicans yell at us on the TV. Ash_F Apr 2014 #49
The article is one sided. The young Dems will win..... Pauldg47 Apr 2014 #92
Then my age group doesn't get to complain about who represents them. Arkana Apr 2014 #52
That's exactly right. IMO if you don't vote you have no right to complain!! groundloop Apr 2014 #59
Young voters tend to support ideals, and not parties or people. Xithras Apr 2014 #61
Pretty much what my grandson said. 840high Apr 2014 #79
Or, to re-phrase slightly, ... Nihil Apr 2014 #106
It is incumbent on the candidates to get off their ass and have a good campaign. LiberalFighter Apr 2014 #64
When they can't get contraception or access abortion services or vote the next time they try, Vinca Apr 2014 #65
Democrats: "We'll finally stand in when Republicans really cross the line" Ash_F Apr 2014 #66
Easy to break that cycle in the short term.... NorthCarolina Apr 2014 #71
It's probably too late for this, but what needs to be done is have legalized MJ be on the ballots herding cats Apr 2014 #73
Gridlock in congress makes people feel that government is meaningless. DCBob Apr 2014 #72
*sigh* sakabatou Apr 2014 #75
we get the government we deserve, so don't vote if you don't care about your future. olddad56 Apr 2014 #76
Voters live in a democracy november3rd Apr 2014 #118
Let's be honest it's not only the 18-29 year olds. People are comfortable ''enough" > YOHABLO Apr 2014 #78
WHY DO ABOUT 98% OF POLLING SEEMS TO FAVOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY? dawn frenzy adams Apr 2014 #80
Point 1: You don't have to yell... brooklynite Apr 2014 #89
I'm sure "Third Way" is dancin' in the streets about it! blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #81
That is beyond idiotic... brooklynite Apr 2014 #90
Then we have to fire them up. Ken Burch Apr 2014 #82
Asking kids what they are planning on doing in November should get a really reliable response. 6000eliot Apr 2014 #86
welcome news. quadrature Apr 2014 #91
They get to be under mommies control until 26 otherone Apr 2014 #95
That is true. quadrature Apr 2014 #96
enjoy your day my friend otherone Apr 2014 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author Acornsouth Apr 2014 #93
End prohibition and the young will vote otherone Apr 2014 #94
Fine. Like usual, we'll do it without the complacent youngsters with their noses stuck in their truthisfreedom Apr 2014 #98
And we're surprised at this because…? tularetom Apr 2014 #107
Most Democratic politicians continue to oppose legalization.. Upton Apr 2014 #110

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
18. That this midterm election is different. If we do not show up for this one we will lose what little
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:50 PM
Apr 2014

we have gained back since 2008 and give power the very people who want to take our right to vote away from us. Not to mention that the economic situation for many of us will get a whole lot worse.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
100. It's always "But this one is different" isn't it?
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:24 AM
Apr 2014

Every election has polls that show that the younger segment of the population
isn't as enthusiastic about the prospect of voting for "the less bad option" and
every one is answered by "But this time is different!", "But this time the people
you vote for will behave differently!", "But this time you really will benefit!".

It gets old ... and once the shiny facade has worn thin from too much polishing,
the turd that is underneath starts to be recognised for what it is.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
109. I have voted since JFK and it is not the actual primary that is different. It is the situation we
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:59 AM
Apr 2014

are in today. I have not since the civil rights movement has this nation been threatened so clearly with losing the vote to big money. It is voter vs money. Not since the great depression has there been such an economic division and the threat to the middle class. It is voters vs money again. I could go on but I do not need to tell you how bad it is you know.

I am in no way telling you that "this time they will behave". God knows that our elected leaders are not in touch. But that is not what is different. It is voters vs money. If we do not vote money wins and money is not interested in anything but more power to consolidate the power they already have. That is why I say vote. Then I spend the rest of the year fighting for what I believe in. I win some and I lose some but I never step out because to do so in my death warrant. And more important my severely disabled daughters death warrant.

Hopefully this makes some sense to you. By the way there was a time that politicians did listen to the people instead of money. It has taken the rethugs since 1980 to consolidate the power of the dollar. They are almost at their goal. I do not want to be a peasant.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
113. "It is voters vs money."
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 11:36 AM
Apr 2014

Agreed. And yes, I personally will always cast a vote (even if not expecting any change)
rather than stay home but I can totally understand my children's cynicism with the way
that things are.

Take care of yourself!


jwirr

(39,215 posts)
115. Yes, I hear it from mine also. And I just remember what an idealist I was in the 60s. Maybe we all
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 11:39 AM
Apr 2014

start out with high hopes. Mine will vote though because it is kind of a family tradition.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
21. Doesn't surprise me
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:52 PM
Apr 2014

This is nothing new. The youth almost never vote especially in off-year elections and mid-term elections.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
23. I understand that but as you see in my other post I think this year is vitally different. I am going
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:59 PM
Apr 2014

to ask my young family members to vote for my sake and their disabled auntie.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
41. Learn the hard way that both parties are way to the right of the national center?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 03:23 PM
Apr 2014

I think they already know that. I think that is why they aren't voting.

Forget Republicans. Democrats have failed this nation's youth.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
45. So they are going to let the SCOTUS go totally to the right for the next 40 years? They are going to
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 03:50 PM
Apr 2014

let the rw take their vote away from them totally? They are going to let the rw cut the safety net even further?

I hope they begin to understand that the world is not perfect and far from fair. And they are old enough to learn. I learned at the age of 16 how unfair the world can be when I gave birth to a severely disabled daughter who would need my care for the rest of my life which ended up in my living in the poverty that I now enjoy! But in all that time I have remained an activist and worked to make things better for everyone. I still am.

I do not give a shit where the Democrat Party is - they are not perfect but they are not trying to destroy me and all the people around me. The other party that some claim is just like the Democrats is trying to destroy us. This is no time to set out and watch the battle. Win what we can and keep fighting for better. If not then as we were taught when we are young - don't bitch.



To those who think the two parties are alike - try being poor under the rethugs. When they are in power it is worse than we they are obstructing.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
48. Democrats have to court the voters, not the other way around
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 03:55 PM
Apr 2014

...so indignation towards them is not going to win anything.

I never said both parties are alike. One party is way to the right of the other, but both parties are way right of center.

If you look at the list of issues, and see how Americans poll on them, you can see that even Democrats are on the right of the majority on every issue.

Why?

poster #43 lays it out pretty well.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
50. What I see #43 saying is that the gop propose plans for the future. What plans? Perpetual war?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:18 PM
Apr 2014

Repeal ACA with nothing to replace it? Destroying the safety net? More fracking and pipelines? I have not heard one single plan for the future except the budget from P. Ryan. Is that who you think is going to help the young?

By the way wasn't there something in the ACA for students? That was not a rethug proposal. That was a promise kept by our President.

Look I see that many of you are frustrated. I get that. But it will not help to burn the bridges across the river. We need to fight to keep what we have even when it is not everything we need. We are going to lose this thing totally for the next 40 years if we do not GOTV. In 40 years you will be my age. That is a long time.

As for courting the voters - the rethugs do a great job of that - they outright lie.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
51. And all I see in your post is excuses.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:32 PM
Apr 2014

Young people work hard for a piece of the future while old Democrats sit comfortably on their loins.

Don't worry, I'll vote.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
54. LOL I have lived in poverty my entire adult life due to taking care of my disabled daughter. What am
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:39 PM
Apr 2014

I making excuses for?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
58. Give me another party that is way left and I will vote for it. Until then the Democrats are what I
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:02 PM
Apr 2014

and others have to work with. Oh, also the list of causes that #43 has are the same list I work for except I add the safety net. All I want is that we do not let the rethugs destroy us by default.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
62. That was not my point
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:10 PM
Apr 2014

My point is that Dems should be doing work.

Plenty of winning policies are out there. But Dems need to get to work and stop letting Republicans tell them what to do.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
67. On that I agree totally. I am from MN and both of my senators are progressives and the man we
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:41 PM
Apr 2014

elected in as rep is also. That leaves me a little puzzled why they are not making more positive strides in at least outlining the future goals in the issue we all know are important. If I am not mistaken when polled the country leans left on the issues.

I remember a sign in my landladies office a few years ago: "I got to get going. There they go and I am their leader." That pretty much fits too many politicians today. And I think that is what you are saying.

I am curious: if the young are not voting how do they plan to further these goals. My grandchildren are all voters so I do not have anyone who feels this way. Josh did say that he finally figured out politics: Every generation has to try to change things for their time. He is right about that. I told him just not to forget that sometimes we were right.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
68. They feel like they don't have power and when they vote they are capitulating to people who do.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:44 PM
Apr 2014

It's not apathy with most people. It is not even protest. It just doesn't feel good to vote for someone who you know doesn't care about you.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
99. *That* is it. The beginning, the middle and the end.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:17 AM
Apr 2014

> They feel like they don't have power and when they vote they are capitulating to people who do.
> It's not apathy with most people. It is not even protest.
> It just doesn't feel good to vote for someone who you know doesn't care about you.



And guess what? That view isn't restricted to the under-25s either (or the US for that matter).

randys1

(16,286 posts)
77. Agree with both of you but this midterm is a choice between UNTHINKABLE vs almost reasonable
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 07:23 PM
Apr 2014

To not vote is saying you are willing to have your grand-kids die from climate change, that is how important this is

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
101. Maybe it is time for some "fresh blood"
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:36 AM
Apr 2014

But the Democrats ARE supporting things that will help people-health care, jobs, minimum wage increase. There is a distinct difference between not having the legislative power to do things and the lack of will to do things when possible.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
60. putting it terms of left/right divide is too kind: both parties are too CORRUPT
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:06 PM
Apr 2014

It aint ideology that makes politicians ignore the wishes of their constituents, it's money, the lure of lucrative corporate gigs after they leave office, and if those don't work, the threat of releasing the photos of what they did with that poor goat.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
63. I personally have come to associate right wing-ism with corruption.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:13 PM
Apr 2014

To me, liberalism is about justice, fairness and equal footing. If you are taking bribes than you are behaving antithetically to my view of the philosophy.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
74. in one sense, you are right. Right wingers take bribes as a matter of principle. Unfortunately...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 07:16 PM
Apr 2014

Too many Democrats say one thing and take money to do another.

In a lot of cases, they don't even say another. They say the right things on gay rights, abortion, guns, and immigration and hope you don't notice that they are selling us down the river to Wall Street.

Education is a disturbing example. Wall Street wants to privatize public K-12 education and divert our taxpayer dollars into their pockets, and Democrats are practically climbing over Republicans to do it--especially Obama and his Secretary of Education.

 

Vietnameravet

(1,085 posts)
103. Neither will I..
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:40 AM
Apr 2014

sick and tired of trying to help people that don't want to help themselves.
We fought for health care reform and to rebuild the middle class and now we have a problem getting them to get off their asses and vote??!!! Tea party has no such problem..

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
3. Many here will insist this is a rightwing poll that can be ignored, and we're on the cusp of a great
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:25 PM
Apr 2014

...victory!

Policy never matters -- only cheerleading!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
4. They haven't figured out yet how their slacking off in midterms effects the stuff they claim to care
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:26 PM
Apr 2014

about. It's beyond me how they can get so animated for presidential elections, and not realize how important it is to build on that.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
22. Exactly
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:58 PM
Apr 2014

It is immature. People should look at it as adult responsibility.

I am going to be on my 18 year old family members. I have late 20s one too. But she's a grown up and will be in that 23%

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
30. I'm proud of my nieces & nephews. They've taken the responsibility seriously. I hope it continues
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:34 PM
Apr 2014

even post Obama. When he's not on the ballot, youngsters have a tendency to slack off.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
117. Let's hope they have a midterm strategy. I know that Urban radio can be counted on to GOTV.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 12:38 PM
Apr 2014

As for other sectors, let's hope they have a game plan.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
57. One day they'll wake up and ask WTF happened? When you've got idiots like these.....
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:58 PM
Apr 2014


telling them that Obama is the devil, it gives them the perfect excuse to slack off (as if they really needed one).



Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
102. Don't forget the younger Paul as well
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:38 AM
Apr 2014

He is trying hard to make himself look "hip" enough for young people to vote for him.

RKP5637

(67,107 posts)
5. The gov. is what people make it, so not voting just allows anything to happen and one
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:26 PM
Apr 2014

becomes an asswipe.

GOPee

(58 posts)
24. Just a thought, but isn't nonvoting a strong indication of an opinion just as strong as a vote?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:59 PM
Apr 2014

Maybe they believe there isn't a viable alternative in the choices on the ballot. I see this opinion on this board all too often. Perhaps, they just practice what we preach.

Kids are often mirror images of what we are, and listen to our meaningless rhetoric as a reflection of our true beliefs, not just political jousting. Then again maybe they don't give a s#it..

RKP5637

(67,107 posts)
44. I think that's quite true, they pick up on what they hear. I also think a lot of people
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 03:42 PM
Apr 2014

don't give a sh** about the country anymore, they are so removed from government, there is so much money involved. It's really hard to believe anymore ones congressman really gives a F about them. I'm not sure where the US is headed anymore, all I see is more and more money running the country for their vested interests, not we the people, and many crooks have found there are great profits to be made through the political system in this country. One first step would be to get the money out of politics, but I have no idea how that is going to happen.

alp227

(32,020 posts)
6. I'm a "younger voter" and WILL send in my ballot this November.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:29 PM
Apr 2014

Frustrating the cognitive dissonance is between people my age who complain complain complain about the system passively.

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
33. Don't forget primaries, if there's one
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:41 PM
Apr 2014

scheduled in your state.

I'm in Ohio, which has a primary in early May.
Not much hoopla about it, though many incumbents are being challenged and challengers for incumbents are being chosen.
Not to mention a few ballot issues as well.

I'm thinking of going down to the board of elections today, to vote early and have it checked off my to-do list.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
47. Thank you and I know I was ranting and lumping a whole group into one for that I ask forgiveness.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 03:52 PM
Apr 2014

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
25. What funny
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:00 PM
Apr 2014

These are the same people who complain about corporations. Not voting helps those corporations continue

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
15. Maybe when us old folks were young in the sixties
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:43 PM
Apr 2014

we thought we could make a difference in our lives. Maybe that's why we were anti war, pro civil rights, pro feminism, and anti establishment. Maybe that's why hundreds of young people had their heads cracked in Chicago in 1968. Maybe that's why so many of us worked for Gene Mc Carthy and Bobby Kennedy.
Yea we can't fuckin see the change going on around us! Maybe we are so stupid to think there is something we can do.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
8. And guess which group of people the victors will think they can ignore?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:36 PM
Apr 2014

If they had a turnout rate of 100%, maybe legislators wouldn't be so quick to make harmful changes to financial aid, for example.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. No, they ignore the idiots who think that voting doesn't matter
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:40 PM
Apr 2014

and that both parties are the same.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. Just like every other mid-term in history.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:38 PM
Apr 2014

Young voters collectively pat themselves on the back if they manage >50% turnout in presidential years.

Then flake during the midterms.

Then complain about politicians not caring about their concerns.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
13. I firmly believe that mandating a "None of the above" on ballots...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:42 PM
Apr 2014

...would increase participation. And if "NOTA" gets a plurality of votes, then both parties shall nominate new candidates. In many cases, not voting is merely laziness or apathy. But a sizable portion, IMO, reflects voter dissatisfaction with all the candidates.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
26. I agree with that.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:06 PM
Apr 2014

I was really surprised when my Australian son-in-law told me about compulsory voting. In Alaska some people have suggested that at least being registered to vote should be a condition for receiving a permanent fund dividend check. I don't know if that would work, but it might.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
55. Cool! A fresh class of prisoners to feed the private prison industry!
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:54 PM
Apr 2014

Six months sentence for missing a primary, 12 months for missing a general election, 1 year 364 days for missing a Presidential election. That should get some people to the polls and some CCI stockholders paid.

Or we could do it with fines. Will the fines be based on people's income, and hit on their taxes, like the ACA?

Can you turn in a completely empty ballot, not even marking "None Of The Above"?

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
19. They must enjoy having distrust cynicism
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:50 PM
Apr 2014

If they don't vote is will be because they are too fucking lazy to get out and change things and willing to by cynical.

But if the Democrats want to counter that, they should work hard to demonstrate to them, this is the way to take ownership through GOTV.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
40. The constitution would have to be changed for mandatory voting
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:49 PM
Apr 2014

I've seen interesting analyses that mandatory voting laws would be unconstitutional. They are said to violate the first amendment and possibly the same privacy rights that were asserted in Roe vs. Wade, believe or or not.

A constitutional amendment would be required.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
112. And the election is on Saturday
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:20 AM
Apr 2014

A better day with more people likely to be off work. Or we should close everything on Election Day. Make it a big deal.

Turbineguy

(37,324 posts)
27. That's the advantage of being young
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:10 PM
Apr 2014

you can suffer the effects of republican policies longer, whereas us older types will be deprived the benefit of suffering by dying sooner.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
28. Maybe if Democrats proposed some policies that appealed to younger voters ....
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:19 PM
Apr 2014

Living wage ...

Free education at public universities ...

Legalization ...



I don't think "not the Republican" is all that appealing to younger voters.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
85. Gee, let's see how much has been done or is trying to be done for younger people:
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 08:54 PM
Apr 2014

1) ACA let them stay on parents plans, did exchanges, and reduced college loan costs as a rider.

2) Fought HARD for the DREAM ACT and immigration reform, and still fighting for it.

3) Fighting to increase the minimum wage.

4) Fighting to address income inequality.

5) Fighting to reduce college costs further.

I could keep going.

All this about wanting absolute purity and perfection or it's just "not good enough" is a load of SHIT. A lot has been done for younger people and Dems are trying hard to do a lot more. But they're being obstructed by the TeaPublicans.

So enough of the glass-half-empty whining, and tell the young people to either get the hell off their asses and go and vote, or DO NOT BITCH ! Not ONE god damned word if someone is too lame and lazy to get off their ASS and go vote. It doesn't take much effort, and there sure as hell is ZERO excuse for not voting. They need to quit the pissing and moaning and go vote !

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
104. Nice ideas
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:41 AM
Apr 2014

But none of those things are going to happen overnight. There is already some movement in those directions but its not going to go anywhere as long as the Republicans keep ahold of the keys to the House (and possibly the Senate)

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
29. Pardon me for being blunt...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:29 PM
Apr 2014

...but if this is you, then you are off to a bang-up job sucking at life. Listen, "Millenial," you just came down with the last fucking drop of rain. I have phlegm older than you. The blood, sweat and tears of better people than you or anyone you'll ever know has been shed not only to provide you with the right to vote, but to show you why voting is the most important thing you'll ever do with your life. You haven't been around long enough to be surly; I daresay you don't know what cynical is. Don't vote, and you'll find out, and I'll send you a big cake made of dog droppings with frosting that reads, "You Fucked Your Life And Mine: Eat Shit."

If all of you show up, things will change. If only half of you show up, the other half of you might as well light yourselves on fire and jump into the ocean. Decisions are made by those who show up.

 

RandoLoodie

(133 posts)
69. Well talking about eating dog shit because you don't vote
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:45 PM
Apr 2014

is sorta bombastic.

It says less about the "cynical millenials" than it does about the hyperbolic person who posits such nonsense.

YMMV

Tschüß!

progressoid

(49,988 posts)
37. Yep.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:12 PM
Apr 2014

After the election, anything that goes awry will be the fault of us apathetic ne'r-do-wells on the left.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
43. Perhaps, just perhaps
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 03:41 PM
Apr 2014

If there were issues on the table that actually matter.
Public funding of higher ed.
A real energy policy designed to actually wean us off of foreign oil.
A living wage
Ending the drug war
Equal Rights Amendment

You know...real shit, rather than this bullshit.

I see folks here expressing disdain and reproach to younger folks for being uninterested in politics.

We wouldn't have a President Obama without them. Imagine if you had pulled out all the stops, donated your time and money, and the result is what we are seeing today. No energy policy. No living wage. No relief for school debt. No opportunity. More military state.

The reason the wackos on the right have so much influence relative to the size of their demographic is because they are younger than the old farts in the Democratic Party. The Republicans actually propose legislation that excites the GOP of all ages. All our party can do is propose legislation for old people pining away for the '60s.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704835504576059582025431402

Some of us have become the cliche of our parents.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
49. Sorry proposing those would make the big mean Republicans yell at us on the TV.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:03 PM
Apr 2014

Democrats want to win, but they love to cave.

You can't have both!

Pauldg47

(640 posts)
92. The article is one sided. The young Dems will win.....
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 01:37 AM
Apr 2014

.....they have to for America!!!!!

Now is the time we must roll over the kochs.....flatten them. Harry Reid please keep up your rhetoric....the young will circle the wagons around the Fox machine and the koch enterprises.....Do it now!!!! And keep it going !!

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
52. Then my age group doesn't get to complain about who represents them.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:34 PM
Apr 2014

You don't vote, you don't matter.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
59. That's exactly right. IMO if you don't vote you have no right to complain!!
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:04 PM
Apr 2014

Certainly President Obama can't please every Democrat in the country, but damn, this nonsense about "I'll teach them a lesson, I won't vote" is pure ignorance (and lazy). Hell, the GOPers would be thrilled if you don't vote, they go to a lot of expense to see to it that as many people in the younger and minority demographics as possible CAN'T vote. The thing that some people forget is that in elections you have to make a choice between 2 or 3 or 4 less than perfect candidates, choose the one who will most closely serve your interests.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
61. Young voters tend to support ideals, and not parties or people.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:10 PM
Apr 2014

A focus on party politics tends to come with age and experience.

If there are no politicians running who are promoting their ideals, they're not going to vote.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
106. Or, to re-phrase slightly, ...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:00 AM
Apr 2014

> Young voters tend to support ideals, and not parties or people.
> A focus on party politics tends to come with age and experience.
> If there are no politicians running who are promoting their ideals, they're not going to vote.

A focus on party politics tends to come as a defence mechanism in response
to repeated failures of trust.

When the ideals that you had are betrayed, time after time, by people who
claimed that they supported the same thing, you can defend your pointless
support of "the less bad option" by falling back to blind party politics.

That's the kind where you can defend "your guy" doing the same thing as you
were shouting down "the other guy" for doing just a few years earlier.

The kind where you don't have to admit that your faith in "your guy" has been
betrayed by their actions after the election because you can always pull out
some excuse or other for "why it didn't work out quite right".

The kind where you can ignore the insanity of doing the same thing as before
yet hoping for a different outcome this time.

The kind where you can gloss over the real differences, the real problems,
the real issues in society and the world at large by concentrating myopically
on an artificial distinction between two sub-groups of the majority in order
to preserve the profits & well-being of the rich, powerful, self-selecting minority.

The most active supporters of any extremist political party tends to be
the young & inexperienced as they have not gained the wisdom to see through
the lies, the inconsistencies and the hypocrisy of the leadership.

"Age and experience" can provide that wisdom but it can also provide the
incentive to ignore the wisdom so gained and fall back to the same mindless
partisan cheerleading that can so mislead the young & inexperienced.

LiberalFighter

(50,912 posts)
64. It is incumbent on the candidates to get off their ass and have a good campaign.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:15 PM
Apr 2014

That means having a good GOTV effort in addition to campaigning. And raising the necessary funds to make it happen.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
65. When they can't get contraception or access abortion services or vote the next time they try,
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:28 PM
Apr 2014

they'll be extremely sorry. It seems this is a continuing pattern which at least means they'll turn out in droves in 2016 to try regain what they've lost by not voting in 2014.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
66. Democrats: "We'll finally stand in when Republicans really cross the line"
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:39 PM
Apr 2014

They should hire me to run their marketing. I wonder if they'll pay me a living wage?

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
71. Easy to break that cycle in the short term....
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 06:16 PM
Apr 2014

Add marijuana legalization to the party platform. Throw in full equality for extra measure. They'll turn out. It's that simple.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
73. It's probably too late for this, but what needs to be done is have legalized MJ be on the ballots
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 06:27 PM
Apr 2014

At state levels. Things like this are what makes the news and draws the eyes of a lot of young voters. Otherwise, there are some who just don't bother to show up unless it's a presidential election. In part because they think the office of the president has more power than it really does. If they understood the importance of the House and the Senate in the process, they'd show up at midterms, too.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
72. Gridlock in congress makes people feel that government is meaningless.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 06:20 PM
Apr 2014

so what's the point of voting? But they fail to realize the huge negative impact it will have if the Rethugs take over.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
78. Let's be honest it's not only the 18-29 year olds. People are comfortable ''enough" >
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 07:32 PM
Apr 2014

They don't see how voting will make a significant change in their lives. Perhaps if they had some ''skin" in the game .. like, say, mandatory military service, now that might make them pay a little more attention. I think most people in this age group are more interest in getting laid and playing with their electronic gadgets.

dawn frenzy adams

(429 posts)
80. WHY DO ABOUT 98% OF POLLING SEEMS TO FAVOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 08:08 PM
Apr 2014

SO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS...


(1) COST THE TAXPAYERS BILLIONS BY SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT

(2) REFUSED TO EXTEND UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS FOR 3 MILLION

(3) BLOCKED ALL ATTEMPTS TO CREATE JOBS

(4) BLOCKED VETERANS BENEFITS FOR 22 MILLION VETERANS

(5) THROUGH MISINFORMATION AND OBSTRUCTION CONTINUE TO LET AMERICANS DIE FROM LACK OF HEALTH CARE. IN 2009 A HARVARD STUDY CONCLUDED 45,000 AMERICANS WERE DYING ANNUALLY FROM LACK OF HEALTH CARE. IN 2012, ACCORDING TO REUTERS 26,000 DIE YEARLY FROM LACK OF HEATH CARE. THE AMERICAN DEATHS RESULTING FROM LACK OF HEALTH CARE IS OBSCENE, YET THE REPUBLICANS CONTINUE TO OBSTRUCT.


IN SPITE OF ALL OF THIS, THE POLLING FIRMS AND MAINSTREAM MEDIA ARE STEADILY PROPAGANDIZING THE PUBLIC INTO NOT VOTING. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS NEVER BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE TWO ILLEGAL WARS AND THE THEFT OF THE U.S. TREASURY THAT CRASHED THE ECONOMY IN 2007. THE QUESTION IS, WILL WE FALL FOR IT?

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
89. Point 1: You don't have to yell...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:00 PM
Apr 2014

Point 2: the same media was reporting polo after polo with President Obama ahead in 2012. Wee they biased?

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
90. That is beyond idiotic...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:01 PM
Apr 2014

Whatever you think of "Third Way", they're Democrats and the Republicans hate them as much as they hate liberals.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
82. Then we have to fire them up.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 08:15 PM
Apr 2014

Obama should be out stumping as often as he can, and possible 2016 candidates should be doing the same. These voters have a short memory and wewill have to remind them over and over what's at stake.

It's on the party to do its part to make people get out there. And that means talking about inequality, excessive corporate control of life, and the fight for privacy and freedom.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
91. welcome news.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:19 PM
Apr 2014

when young people realize what kind
of deal they get with the ACA,
they are not going to be happy.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
96. That is true.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:47 AM
Apr 2014

some will be happy.
some won't.

when they find out that paying
$100 a month gets them a $2500 deductable
and a 40% co-pay...well........

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

truthisfreedom

(23,146 posts)
98. Fine. Like usual, we'll do it without the complacent youngsters with their noses stuck in their
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 05:04 AM
Apr 2014

iPhones. Screw 'em. It's up to us to get it right.

Rock.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
107. And we're surprised at this because…?
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:03 AM
Apr 2014

Turn on the news, check the op ed page of your paper, check out DU almost any day, and what do you see?

Will Hillary run in 2016?

Will Jeb Bush be the republican nominee?

Are Christie's presidential aspirations toast?

Will Hillary run?

Our liberal media have turned political commentary into a personality based gossip column, focusing on the horse race aspect of presidential elections.

When you only hear stories about a presidential election more than two years away, and you don't hear anything about the equally important congressional elections coming up in six months, you have to assume that congressional elections aren't very important.

Upton

(9,709 posts)
110. Most Democratic politicians continue to oppose legalization..
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:09 AM
Apr 2014

Inslee in Washington and Hickenlooper in Colorado both opposed their states initiatives. You've got Gov. Brown telling everyone what he thinks about "stoners"...and then there's a member of the Kennedy clan playing front man for an anti legalization group.

I mean, what do you want young people to do..enthusiastically embrace this reefer madness BS? If Democrats want young people to come out in numbers, they'll have to keep up with the changing times....

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