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Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:13 PM Apr 2014

Gunmen Storm Libya Parliament

Source: BBC

Gunmen have stormed Libya's parliament, forcing MPs to abandon a vote on a new prime minister, officials say.

Correspondents say lawmakers left the building after hearing gunshots.

The attempted vote followed the resignation of Abdullah al-Thinni, who stepped down as prime minister earlier this month after he and his family were targeted by militiamen.

Libya has been plagued by instability since armed groups toppled Muammar Gaddafi's regime in 2011.

Earlier reports that several people had been wounded in the attack on Tuesday are unconfirmed.

The BBC's Rana Jawad in Tripoli says Libya's national congress has been stormed on dozens of occasions by gunmen over the past year and a half.

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27209843



The fruits of our last glorious intervention.
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Gunmen Storm Libya Parliament (Original Post) Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 OP
Thank you Obama nyabingi Apr 2014 #1
More like Libyans, France, and Italy. Igel Apr 2014 #2
you forgot to thank Hillary lululu Apr 2014 #5
True nyabingi Apr 2014 #6
"We came, we saw, he died," ha ha ha. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #7
A stable nation turned into a basket case.. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #3
She sounds like a basket case in that clip. /nt Ash_F Apr 2014 #8
I think it's called irrational exuberance. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #9
But, but, but ... Nihil Apr 2014 #4
Ours is a time of many sauces which cease to be sauces in many special cases. JVS Apr 2014 #10
Yep. joshcryer May 2014 #13
Plagued by instability to say the least: Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #11
What do the militiamen and armed rebels want? seveneyes Apr 2014 #12

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
1. Thank you Obama
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:22 PM
Apr 2014

for destabilizing another African country. The right-wing seems to believe your Kenyan ancestry would make you lean favorably towards all things African, but all we've seen thus far is regime change and militarization via AFRICOM expansion.

Sad...

Igel

(35,309 posts)
2. More like Libyans, France, and Italy.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 06:56 PM
Apr 2014

The US were pikers in that particular bit of "democratization."

Lots of actual "progressives" were also in favor of it. Few could stomach Qaddhafi after he made nice with *, even if they defended him when he was nastier--possibly because he tweaked the US' nose every chance he could with his oddly named "republic."

 

lululu

(301 posts)
5. you forgot to thank Hillary
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 04:43 PM
Apr 2014

Her fingerprints were all over the Libya mess. Israel is happy though, so Hill is happy.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
9. I think it's called irrational exuberance.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 08:28 PM
Apr 2014

Probably the first nation where she led the overthrowing and dispatch of that countries leader.

If I had overthrown one of the most stable nations in Africa, a bane to western colonialists for some 50 years. I would be exuberant too. At the time it was "mission accomplished".

Remember this was all done because of "viagra" it was a humanitarian war.

That the women of Libya have been set back a millennia, is her legacy.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
4. But, but, but ...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 05:15 AM
Apr 2014

> Gunmen have stormed Libya's parliament, forcing MPs to abandon a vote on a new prime minister, officials say.
> Correspondents say lawmakers left the building ...

... I thought that was how a country received a "legitimate government" these days?

Wait for people to leave the building (for whatever reason) then take over.


joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
13. Yep.
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:22 AM
May 2014

Same people, too. Guys storming eastern Ukraine buildings, legitimate actors, these idiots, bad, bad.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
11. Plagued by instability to say the least:
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:36 PM
Apr 2014

snip*Libya is a different case.

Libya is rich in oil, and though the US and UK have often given quite remarkable support to its cruel dictator, right to the present, he is not reliable. They would much prefer a more obedient client. Furthermore, the vast territory of Libya is mostly unexplored, and oil specialists believe it may have rich untapped resources, which a more dependable government might open to Western exploitation.

When a non-violent uprising began, Qaddafi crushed it violently, and a rebellion broke out that liberated Benghazi, Libya's second largest city, and seemed about to move on to Qaddafi's stronghold in the West. His forces, however, reversed the course of the conflict and were at the gates of Benghazi. A slaughter in Benghazi was likely, and as Obama's Middle East adviser Dennis Ross pointed out, "everyone would blame us for it." That would be unacceptable, as would a Qaddafi military victory enhancing his power and independence. The US then joined in UN Security Council resolution 1973 calling for a no-fly zone, to be implemented by France, the UK, and the US, with the US supposed to move to a supporting role.

There was no effort to institute a no-fly zone. The triumvirate at once interpreted the resolution as authorizing direct participation on the side of the rebels. A ceasefire was imposed by force on Qaddafi's forces, but not on the rebels. On the contrary, they were given military support as they advanced to the West, soon securing the major sources of Libya's oil production, and poised to move on.

The blatant disregard of UN 1973, from the start began to cause some difficulties for the press as it became too glaring to ignore. In the New York Times, for example, Karim Fahim and David Kirkpatrick (March 29) wondered "how the allies could justify airstrikes on Colonel Qaddafi's forces around [his tribal center] Surt if, as seems to be the case, they enjoy widespread support in the city and pose no threat to civilians." Another technical difficulty is that UNSC 1973 "called for an arms embargo that applies to the entire territory of Libya, which means that any outside supply of arms to the opposition would have to be covert" (but otherwise unproblematic).

Some argue that oil cannot be a motive because Western companies were granted access to the prize under Qaddafi. That misconstrues US concerns. The same could have been said about Iraq under Saddam, or Iran and Cuba for many years, still today. What Washington seeks is what Bush announced: control, or at least dependable clients. US and British internal documents stress that "the virus of nationalism" is their greatest fear, not just in the Middle East but everywhere. Nationalist regimes might conduct illegitimate exercises of sovereignty, violating Grand Area principles. And they might seek to direct resources to popular needs, as Nasser sometimes threatened.

It is worth noting that the three traditional imperial powers -- France, UK, US -- are almost isolated in carrying out these operations. The two major states in the region, Turkey and Egypt, could probably have imposed a no-fly zone but are at most offering tepid support to the triumvirate military campaign. The Gulf dictatorships would be happy to see the erratic Libyan dictator disappear, but although loaded with advanced military hardware (poured in by the US and UK to recycle petrodollars and ensure obedience), they are willing to offer no more than token participation (by Qatar).

http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20110330.htm

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
12. What do the militiamen and armed rebels want?
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:47 PM
Apr 2014

Have they religion on their minds? Do they want a Democracy with women and minorities being treated as equals to the men? What century do they want to live in?

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