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undeterred

(34,658 posts)
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:18 PM Apr 2014

Major fire, explosion after train derails in Lynchburg, Virginia

Source: NYDailyNews

It's not immediately clear if there are any injuries after the horrific crash first reported around 2 p.m. EST. One witness described the derailed train as carrying tank cars. The city is advising residents to stay out of the downtown area.

A train has derailed and crashed in downtown Lynchburg, Va. leading an immediate evacuation of the downtown area.

At this time it's not immediately clear if there are any injuries after the crash first reported around 2 p.m. EST.

Lynchburg police and fire personnel are actively at the scene, the city assured in a statement. They are advising residents to stay out of the downtown area.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/train-derails-lynchburg-va-creating-massive-fire-smoke-article-1.1774353



pictures and video at link

Train was carrying crude oil. WDBJ reports that the train is a CSX train and that at least three of 13 or 14 tanker cars ruptured.
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Major fire, explosion after train derails in Lynchburg, Virginia (Original Post) undeterred Apr 2014 OP
Shit, right next to a river again Blue Owl Apr 2014 #1
Some of the blame may also lay at the feet of poorly maintained infrastructure. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2014 #3
True dat Blue Owl Apr 2014 #4
fwiw, vandalism could also be a cause... Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #13
Oh man..a CSX oil train crosses a trestle over the road 1/2 mile from my house. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 #5
That is my thought as well. n/t deafskeptic Apr 2014 #15
Isn't that where Liberty University is located. greiner3 Apr 2014 #2
Classy real classy Leontius Apr 2014 #7
That was my first thought. FreedRadical Apr 2014 #6
Did they ever determine a final cause for that Canadian disaster last year? Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #11
The investigation is still listed as "active." mahatmakanejeeves May 2014 #28
Oil train derailed and on fire in Lynchburg, Virginia mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2014 #8
I live in Clifton Forge. dgibby Apr 2014 #27
Burning oil flowing into James River! Obama needs to take emergency action on this issue. Divernan Apr 2014 #9
Burning slick on the water Submariner Apr 2014 #19
At least 4 cars completely in river; at least 3 of those split open Divernan Apr 2014 #21
I was hoping it would burn up, but I guess not. undeterred Apr 2014 #23
Impressive fire. nt Crabby Appleton Apr 2014 #26
K&R DeSwiss Apr 2014 #10
Richmond stops withdrawing from James River following Lynchburg derailment undeterred Apr 2014 #12
Well I guess I will have to buy bottled water. I live a mile away from explosion. n/t deafskeptic Apr 2014 #17
If the Keystone Pipeline is approved, the derailings will stop. PeoViejo Apr 2014 #14
I don't know, that's a seriously "tin-hat" suggestion. BlueEye Apr 2014 #18
Pipelines=Cheap steel prone to cracking,bad welds,sloppy concrete jobs,fudged pressure testing Divernan Apr 2014 #22
Fair enough, shame on TransCanada for being dishonest. BlueEye Apr 2014 #25
K&R nt greyl Apr 2014 #16
Right after VA_Jill Apr 2014 #20
What exactly are you suggesting? undeterred Apr 2014 #24

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
3. Some of the blame may also lay at the feet of poorly maintained infrastructure.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:28 PM
Apr 2014

Railroad track, like highways, bridges, and roads need proper maintenance.

Blue Owl

(50,460 posts)
4. True dat
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:33 PM
Apr 2014

Could be several reasons/factors involved.

But my immediate suspicion these days tends to be that a safety corner was cut somewhere in the name of profit margins...

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
5. Oh man..a CSX oil train crosses a trestle over the road 1/2 mile from my house.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:36 PM
Apr 2014

and I notice that since they announced they will be moving oil, an increase in the number of trains going by.
One is a 10 pm train.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
2. Isn't that where Liberty University is located.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:28 PM
Apr 2014

Then I'm not worried about the town as the fire will be 'prayed' away, well, at least Liberty University's campus anyway.

FreedRadical

(518 posts)
6. That was my first thought.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:39 PM
Apr 2014

We will be seeing a spike in these oil tanker explosions. They have been trying to cover up how dangerous these tankers are. Then they want to run them right through the centers of towns and cities.

Now I admit I don't know what this train was carrying. Let see if my suspicion prove true.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,564 posts)
8. Oil train derailed and on fire in Lynchburg, Virginia
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:48 PM
Apr 2014

Last edited Thu May 1, 2014, 03:11 PM - Edit history (4)

OIL Train derailed and on fire in Lynchburg VA

Date: 04/30/14 11:26
OIL Train derailed and on fire in Lynchburg VA
Author: emd_mrs1
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http://www.newsadvance.com/news/local/train-derails-in-downtown-lynchburg/article_a28bf610-d092-11e3-b96d-001a4bcf6878.html

It is said (confirmed) to be an oil train headed for Yorktown VA. Big cloud of black smoke. More to come....

Picture

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/local/train-derails-in-downtown-lynchburg/article_a28bf610-d092-11e3-b96d-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=image&photo=0

BIG fire picture, includes riverbank brush.



Train info:
"There was a crude oil train on duty at 0915 out of Clifton Forge..."

Burning oil is flowing in the James River too.

Live coverage (for now) http://www.wset.com/story/25392359/train-has-derailed-in-lynchburg

Appears under control 3pm.

Michael


Later posts show that it had the symbol KO82.

For those of you who are not train enthusiasts, a train with the symbol "KO82" is an eastbound train on CSX carrying oil from Cicero, Illinois, to Yorktown, Virginia, where there had been a refinery owned by Amoco. The facility now handles barge loading, and it is owned and operated by Plains All American Pipeline LP.

CSX K Series: Bulk Commodity unit trains

This train was travelling on the old Chesapeake and Ohio Railway James River line, which follows the James River all the way from just outside Clifton Forge, Virginia, to the Chesapeake Bay. These tracks are right down by the river. They run in an east-west direction. Lynchburg is also served by Norfolk Southern, but that carrier is not involved.

Train carrying crude oil derails in downtown Lynchburg

I can't tell from the pictures whether the tank cars were of the DOT-111 design. That design was the subject of much discussion in last week's hearings at the National Transportation Safety Board.

Train derails in downtown Lynchburg

Oil train accidents were the topic of National Transportation Safety Board Chairman Deborah Hersman last week at a two-day safety forum in Washington.

Hersman said the Obama administration needed to take steps immediately to protect the public from potentially catastrophic oil train accidents even if it means using emergency authority.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
27. I live in Clifton Forge.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:39 PM
Apr 2014

We have the largest railroad expansion bridge in the world. Tracks run between Main St and the Jackson River, which is one of 2 rivers that form the headwaters of the James River approximately 2 miles out of town.

We have 2 lines running out of Clifton Forge. One is the Mountain Line that goes through Charlottsville, then on to Washington. The other is the River line that runs all the way to the CSX shipyards in Newport News, Va. The trains on the river line follow the James River all the way across the state, and engines are not needed to pull the trains as they are traveling down grade all the way. The engines are used to control the speed. My BIL was an engineer for C&O, then CSX and Amtrack before retiring. It's not unusual to see all kinds of oil, chemical, and coal trains passing through town 24/7. I worry that what happened in Lynchburg could happen here. Since the town is only about a mile square, I'm guessing we'd all have to be evacuated in the event of an oil or chem spill.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
9. Burning oil flowing into James River! Obama needs to take emergency action on this issue.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 04:12 PM
Apr 2014

These trains go through or next to all major cities, and a lot of smaller towns too. The ones going through Pittsburgh go along the Allegheny River, and less than a mile from my house.

Oil train accidents were the topic of National Transportation Safety Board Chairman Deborah Hersman last week at a two-day safety forum in Washington.

Hersman said the Obama administration needed to take steps immediately to protect the public from potentially catastrophic oil train accidents even if it means using emergency authority.

The Transportation Department was in the midst of drafting regulations to toughen standards for tank cars used to transport oil and ethanol, as well as other steps prevent or mitigate accidents. But there isn't time to wait for the cumbersome federal rulemaking process - which often takes many years to complete - to run its normal course, Hersman said.

"We are very clear that this issue needs to be acted on very quickly," she told reporters at the conclusion of a two-day forum the board held on the rail transport of oil and ethanol. "There is a very high risk here that hasn't been addressed."
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Divernan

(15,480 posts)
21. At least 4 cars completely in river; at least 3 of those split open
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:14 PM
Apr 2014

not just slowly leaking - split open. If it's crude bitumen, it does not float - it sinks to the bottom and into the sediment - has proven impossible to clean up in other spills into waterways.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
12. Richmond stops withdrawing from James River following Lynchburg derailment
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 04:32 PM
Apr 2014

RICHMOND, VA (WWBT) -
As a precaution following the train derailment in Lynchburg this afternoon, a spokesman for the Richmond Department of Public Utilities (DPU) confirmed that the city will stop taking water from the James River, which may have been contaminated following the train accident.
DPU's spokesman Angela Fountain said the city will instead take water from the canal until the safety of the James River water supply can be assured.

DPU has scheduled a press conference at 4:30 today about the water supply. Stay with NBC12 for continuing coverage.

http://www.nbc12.com/story/25393766/richmond-stops-withdrawing-from-james-river-following-lynchburg-derailment
 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
14. If the Keystone Pipeline is approved, the derailings will stop.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 04:36 PM
Apr 2014

Big Oil is just trying to make a very visible point that carrying Oil by Rail Tanker is More dangerous than a pipeline. Derailings in the boonies just weren't getting the attention that was needed to convince Congress.

BlueEye

(449 posts)
18. I don't know, that's a seriously "tin-hat" suggestion.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 05:39 PM
Apr 2014

I mean, do you disagree that transporting oil by rail is less safe? If Canadian oil *must* come to the United States, pipeline is safer.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
22. Pipelines=Cheap steel prone to cracking,bad welds,sloppy concrete jobs,fudged pressure testing
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:18 PM
Apr 2014

Google Keystone Pipeline & leaks/cracks, etc. Here's one example:
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/aswifttranscanadas_record_presents_a.html


Keystone I, a pipeline moving primarily tar sands from Alberta to the Midwest and Oklahoma, was TransCanada’s first crude oil pipeline. TransCanada pitched it as a state-of-the-art pipeline which would “meet or exceed world-class safety and environmental standards.” In its environmental risks assessment, the company forecast that Keystone I would leak no more than 1.4 times a decade and noted that it had agreed to 51 special conditions that would increase its safety.

When construction on the project began in 2008, reality began to sharply diverge from TransCanada’s rhetoric. As the Keystone I was being built, a pipeline inspector working for a TransCanada contractor, was alarmed by what he saw – cheap steel prone to cracking, bad welds, sloppy concrete jobs, poorly spaced rebar, and fudged pressure testing. When he reported these issues to TransCanada, he was ignored and ultimately fired.

Keystone I started having problems as soon as it commenced operations in 2010. In its first year, the pipeline leaked 14 times, with the largest spill exceeding 21,000 gallons. Federal pipeline regulators were forced to intervene, issuing a Corrective Action Order (CAO) temporarily shutting the pipeline down as an imminent threat to life, safety and the environment. Keystone I became the newest pipeline in U.S. history to receive such an order – the previous contender was a 25 year old pipeline.


Most leaks are eventually discovered by land owners, not the Frackers with their "state of the art" pressure detectors. Then the frackers immediately make false claims about how small an amount leaked and how they have the leak totally repaired.

BlueEye

(449 posts)
25. Fair enough, shame on TransCanada for being dishonest.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:46 PM
Apr 2014

I would prefer neither expanded rail usage nor the pipeline. But the possibility is real that this administration will have to choose the lesser of two evils. And in terms of human life, these trains are basically bombs on wheels. This incident today was nothing compared to the incident in Montreal that wiped out a town last summer. The pipeline is probably worse for the environment, but it does not possess the ability to kill that the trains have.

Pick your poison I suppose. The climate is totally screwed either way.

VA_Jill

(9,991 posts)
20. Right after
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 06:51 PM
Apr 2014

Bob McDonnell is announced as a faculty member at Liberty University, which is, of course, in Lynchburg. Reckon there is any connection between the two happenstances? Nah, couldn't be.

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