Condoleezza Rice backs out of Rutgers commencement
Source: AP
NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. (AP) Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has backed out of delivering the commencement address at Rutgers University following protests by some faculty and students over her role in the Iraq War.
Rice said in a statement Saturday that she informed Rutgers President Robert Barchi that she was declining the invitation.
"Commencement should be a time of joyous celebration for the graduates and their families," Rice said. "Rutgers' invitation to me to speak has become a distraction for the university community at this very special time."
The school's board of governors had voted to pay the former secretary of state under President George W. Bush and national security adviser $35,000 for her appearance at the May 18 ceremony.
Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/article/Condoleezza-Rice-backs-out-of-Rutgers-commencement-5450461.php
MADem
(135,425 posts)But her skills at self-preservation have always been nothing short of superb.
Condi knows how to take care of Condi.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)ill give her that.
makes her even more scary to me tho...
ive always feared shed show back up and attempt to run for elected office..
tho id imagine she has enough skeletons in the closet to keep a dogs family happy for generations...
you don't get an oil tanker named after you for nothing, after all
MADem
(135,425 posts)She'll take every advantage to get out in front.
I think those stories, of her pushing people out of the way, taking credit for the efforts of others, and things of that nature, would not serve her well if she ever decided to run for public office, even if business and private life never became an issue.
She's just not a nice person.
efhmc
(14,725 posts)Is not using apostrophes part of your persona?
Aldo Leopold
(685 posts)With today's autocorrect and similar features, it almost seems like it would take MORE effort to not use apostrophes!
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)im pretty sure I can type/write however I like without being insulted for it..
now I know why they call some of you grammar nuts Nazis :p
for the future, as I told the other poster, if you see my name and are that hard up for proper grammar.. don't even bother reading what I said.
if you have nothing to say about something, that's fine.. just don't say anything.. no need to open your mouth (or unfurl your fingers) to insult someone for no reason other than to be critical for the sake of being critical :p
telling me I have a terrible usage of commas on an internet forum will do nothing to change this habit of mine.. so frankly, youre just wasting your own time.
Aldo Leopold
(685 posts)I didn't say anything about commas.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)And so you don't get heard. And what you do say gets discounted.
So whose time is being wasted here?
efhmc
(14,725 posts)calimary
(81,262 posts)Imagine. They have an oil tanker named after a war criminal.
Neat, huh?
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)as soon as she took office...
even they noticed the conflict of interest.. lmao
you posted only to insult me?
nice.
you should be super proud of yourself for stating no opinion except your personal feelings for me !
you are the king/queen of passing judgment. congrats.
if youre looking for correct grammar, don't read my posts .. especially if it bothers you that much...
just a lil advice for the future when you see me name listed and decide you have something irrelevant to say
P.s.
your reading comprehension ability is severely lacking..
notice how I was talking about her having skeletons in her closet.. then saying you don't get an oil tanker named after you for nothing... meaning undoubtedly lots of shady things in order to get it...
maybe take all your rage out on someone else?
was someone mean to you today or do you always let your emotions get the best of you ?
QuestForSense
(653 posts)And as repugnant as they come.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)which is why the fact that she was probably the most intelligent person in his cabinet scares the crap out of me..
apparently giving her credit for not being a complete moron is seen as 'you love condi!' on DU.. for a second there I thought I was somewhere with rational people who don't jump to name calling and instant conclusions without even reading an entire post...
I musta forgot where I was posting
QuestForSense
(653 posts)There are a lot of very opinionated people here, but I never take their comments personally and neither should you. If they were really that smart, they'd be agreeing with you.
independentpiney
(1,510 posts)this place is full of ridiculously extreme ideologues and internet bullies just itching for an argument about anything. DU used to be my go to place for news and opinion, but I find myself visiting less and less. This will be my last year with a star by my name.
KG
(28,751 posts)iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)she was in bushs cabinet with..
she was a genius :p
lol
but evil to the bone, no doubt
joshdawg
(2,648 posts)she's still a war criminal. Just like her boss and "the dick."
geomon666
(7,512 posts)They don't need to add to it.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)to speak... Where is this world going to? H... in a hand basket?
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)Disgusting IMO too!
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Not anymore... No wonder students are stripped mined for life.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They're not gonna go looking for a Democrat so long as Chris Christie is signing their funding authorizations...!
Everyone thinks, because the school has a good reputation, that it's private, but it is the STATE UNIVERSITY OF NEW JERSEY, per their own website.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)for quite some time (hopefully, but doubtful).
MADem
(135,425 posts)Were he on top of things I think Condi would have been shoved down the throats of those students. He's in a position of weakness now and doesn't have the political capital to spend on silliness like who speaks at Rutgers.
if they have to pay off a republican nutcase, maybe she's on the low end and they were trying to get by cheap.
Anyway, I'm glad she backed out.
Cher
MADem
(135,425 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)gopiscrap
(23,760 posts)iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)intelligent.. in an evil sense of the word
shes a scary person to me..
overly educated with a batshit ideology
hope people were holding up signs of the former oil cargo ship that was named after her by Chevron...
they renamed it in 2001 when she took office...
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)to speak in the first place. No better than giving a forum to any other mass murderer. In a just world she'd be wearing prison garb and spending long, lonely days and sleepless nights haunted by images of dead Iraqi children.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)This isn't whatsoever about protecting the "joyous celebration of Commencement" this is about one thing: self-preservation in not being able to handle the situation knowing full well what to expect on the Rutgers campus the day she arrived...
Mira
(22,380 posts)And she is saving herself a tanning of her hide by backing out. Because she is smart, she knows that.
laurent
(57 posts)That's low end. Hillary gets $200,000. Dubya gets between $100,000 and $150,000, and lately Bill has been getting $500,000. Condi needs a new booking agent.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And Rutgers is a state school.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)laurent
(57 posts)Without a "sarcasm" or "smiley face" some people can't tell a joke from a serious remark. Condolences.
calimary
(81,262 posts)Could be "condoleezalences!"
I prefer Contradicta. Because as bush/cheney's mouthpiece - with that "...in the form of a mushroom CLOUD." Usually "mushroom cloud" is spoken with stress on the word "mushroom." NOT on the word "cloud." I always found that weird. And suspect. 'Cause her "husband" bushie himself said it that way. No wonder she'd parrot what he said. She spoke with a forked tongue. And so did he. Surprised she's not painting daffy paintings now.
laurent
(57 posts)calimary
(81,262 posts)Glad you're here! Here's something I'll add to the whole Contradicta thing. It was very instructive to me, and came as good news.
During bush/cheney, I called my Congressman a lot. But because he was already on our team regarding opposition to the Iraq War, I also tried to make it a point to call OTHER PEOPLE's Congressmembers, too. I'd call other Dems to help add calcium to their backbones, and also the Dark-Siders who, I thought, needed to know of AND HEAR the opposition that was alive and well and in multitudes, surrounding them. It wasn't all rubber-stampers around them. It was US as well, and they needed to know that even if it didn't result in any changes of heart (and it never did, those assholes stayed solid in their support of Darth cheney and puppet).
So, in one conversation, I referred to Contradicta by exactly that - the name I'd come up with for her because it just seemed to fit her so well. Then, about a week later, I was calling around again. To one of those same offices - a Dem Congressperson. Our sweet little lady war criminal came up in conversation again. (Note - it was at a time when she had either testified or made some other lame comment on "Meet the Press" pushing for the war, so she was the topic of a lot of this at that moment.) I referenced Contradicta again and the staffer who took my call started snickering. He said - "Contradicta! That's pretty good! Somebody called that in here last week! I love it!" And I said - "uh, well, that was probably me! I came up with that and I did call your Congresscritter's office last week, and I'm sure I mentioned it." And he started guffawing and saying - "HAH! That was you? That's really great! It's sooooo funny! It's all over the Hill now!"
My Number-One takeaway from that pleasant little experience was a real revelation: Those staffers talk. Those staffers compare notes. Those staffers INEVITABLY gossip about the crazies out there in voter-land and the phone calls they took that day and probably MANY anecdotes from the "you-wouldn't-believe-what-this-one-dingdong-was saying..." department. Obviously my phone call had come up in the conversation. And I guess they all found it memorable enough and catchy enough and maybe also funny enough that it spread throughout the staffers and volunteers and interns and pages and others fairly low on the food chain on Capitol Hill, who probably meet in the Congressional dining room or passing in the hall or in the bathrooms or out for drinks after work in Georgetown somewhere. Many of them, I bet, are friends and hang out together a lot. And some of them, I'm sure, have political aspirations of their own, and figure THIS is a good way to get started, or at least get a taste of what it's like to work on Capitol Hill. And you KNOW they gossip. And you never know with WHOM they might be gossiping. Maybe somebody big now? Maybe somebody who will be big in the future? You never know what kind of seeds you may be planting for the short run OR the long term, and how you might have influenced somebody's thinking on some issue! You just never know!
My second takeaway from that is - it is REALLY, SERIOUSLY, STRATEGICALLY ESSENTIAL to have something gimmicky and catchy and stick-in-the-mind memorable because it WILL get remembered. It WILL get shared and passed around over coffee or drinks after work or over the water cooler in the corner of the outer office or some such. It WILL get chuckled over, the same way that happens with a good joke or some insane routine you heard the morning deejay do on the radio that morning, or some great one-liner on "Saturday Night Live" or that Jimmy Kimmel or Jon Stewart got off the night before. And it becomes GREAT AMMO for your next debate with some knuckle-dragger. Especially if it happens to be a whole lotta true. I was very proud of coming up with the nickname Contradicta. I thought it fit. I thought it was a fitting riff off both her rather pretentious polysyllabic name AND what she routinely did for a living while a member of the bush/cheney administration: talking with a forked tongue.
I've just never been impressed with that woman. I've never been impressed with her so-called much-vaunted "brains" or "intellect" (how could anybody be regarded as smart when they stood for and advocated the ridiculous, pie-in-the-sky dumb-ass ideas she did and still does?) and I've seen her speak again and again. I watch body language a lot. And I do find myself reading into it and trying to interpret whatever signals I think I see, looking for further meaning (and unspoken, subliminal truth). And I noticed also - that she has a tendency very frequently and ironically to shake her head a lot while speaking, kinda like a nervous tick. Shaking it as if to say "no" whenever she's making a "yes" assertion with her words, and then bobbing her head nervously up and down to infer "yes" whenever she's denying something. Real schitzo mixed-message stuff. And her voice often trembles and flutters and shakes while she's speaking, as though somebody just suddenly reached up the back of her skirt. Whenever she talked, even while sitting at some "Meet the Press" table or panel discussion, or even while testifying before Congress, it always sounded to me as though she was being goosed.
The woman's a freakin' trainwreck. I don't care how many degrees or highfalutin' jobs she has or what she's appointed to next. She's a mess. To me, she's little more than a sarah palin with an advanced degree.
firesalesman
(44 posts)I like "Contradicta" better than the more common "Kindasleeza."
calimary
(81,262 posts)Good to have you with us! Thank you, btw! You will notice a LOT of very clever people who are near-genius in their insight and also who can turn a phrase like a master toreador! LOTS of literacy and word brilliance around here! Some people will have you at their screen names! (SalmonChantedEvening alert!) I learn tons every time I'm stop in!
NJCher
(35,669 posts)OMD!!
Cher
barbtries
(28,793 posts)AND prosecuted for her crimes.
DrBulldog
(841 posts)... because he claimed the university should be open to controversial viewpoints.
However, there's NOTHING controversial about Condoleezza Rice. It has been completely documented that (1) she discredited the initial intelligence severe warning of imminent attack by Al-Kaida provided her in August, 2001, and (2) became one of the top ringleaders of the filthy gang who lied us into the Iraq war. When the viewpoint has been proven WRONG and IMMORAL, there is no place for it to be presented in such a public setting for personal profit.
calimary
(81,262 posts)Glad you're here! There's controversial viewpoints and then again there are CRIMINAL viewpoints. She is a war CRIMINAL. She was a lousy foreign policy advisor, coming from a "Sovietologist" point of view. I never figured out why that "credential" qualified her for a position as National Security Advisor OR Secretary of State in the last decade, when the USSR had long since ceased to be. Were they hoping eventually to crank up some hostilities with Moscow? MAN, I wish she were elderly and in retirement now. With what's going on with Vladimir Putin, I'd suspect there are conversations with her AT THIS VERY MOMENT, among various foreign policy operatives on the far "right" who'd just LOVE LOVE LOVE to go back to those days when there was this one big boogie man across north Asia. Conditions have changed radically since then, but I'd suspect the old-timers and bill kristols and other chickenhawk war weenies and perverts who LOVE the idea of war and combat and blood and guts just as long as they themselves don't have to get their hands dirty. Why not, with what's going on between Russia and the Ukraine, crank all that up again, and she'd be perfect for National Security Advisor or even Secretary of Defense in the next GOP White House.
I would be willing to bet those conversations are going on - as we speak.
This needs to be watched. CLOSELY.
Remember what Mad-Eye Moody always warned Harry Potter: "CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!!!!"
laurent
(57 posts)It's not as if her neo-con views have been suppressed.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Not the same as a lecture or debate appearance.
swilton
(5,069 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Except during their trial, of course.
Solly Mack
(90,766 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)--WHO deserves that? just about Nobody.
Especially the warmongers.
Universities are complicit if they'd even consider her. Rutgers made a big mistake here.
Where does Truth about what occurred survive if not in a University?
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)needs a new pair of shoes I guess.
llmart
(15,539 posts)who can't face the music of the nasty protest she would have to face.
I'm sure she can find some other place to give her $35,000 to hear more lies come from her mouth. Hell, she's probably got a pair of shoes that cost that much.
TexasTowelie
(112,168 posts)llmart
(15,539 posts)n/t
gussmith
(280 posts)Where was everyone when the weapons inspector was telling us there was no MWD in Iraq? David Kay, was that his name? I can't remember exactly but I sure heard what he had to say.
The Blue Flower
(5,442 posts)Despite the trouble he got into later, we still owe him a debt of gratitude for speaking up as loudly as possible. And we shouldn't forget his name.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Then pelted her with shoes.
Or they could have let her speak and then published an article in the campus newspaper refuting everything she said. This might actually have changed some people's minds.
It's better to refute an idea than suppress it. If you suppress it, it lives on underground. If you refute it, it's dead.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)We don't have a given right to make commencement speeches. If they don't want her to speak, so be it.
ramblin_dave
(1,546 posts)since she left the White House?
rurallib
(62,414 posts)He may have some time to fill in on Sundays.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)but when she acts like this she reinforces the stereotype that women are weak. Can you imagine former SOS Clinton or Albright acting like this?
a la izquierda
(11,794 posts)I was one seriously pissed off alum when I heard that she was invited.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)John1956PA
(2,654 posts)Rice rudely refused to stop talking, thereby preventing Bob Kerry from asking tough follow up questions at the "9/11 Commission" hearing which looked into the reasons why the U. S. was unprepared for the 09-11-2001 attacks. Her rudeness tactic caused Kerrey to run out of his allotted questioning time.
Timez Squarez
(262 posts)And then go away. Forever. In the Palace of Peace.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)criminal...it is pathetic that university pays anyone to speak at their commencement.
35,000 to listen to her???
I would think there are good people who would be happy to come, just maybe not the alleged
celebrity versions in politics...ugh what a choice with Rice.
on point
(2,506 posts)1. As NSA advisor, she approved, supported and helped form the lies to con the American People and the rest of the world to attack Iraq.
2. As NSA advisor, she with Cheney, plus other Cheney advisors approved the use of torture by CIA.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)along with the rest of the gang, should be.
stone space
(6,498 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)trublu992
(489 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)and injuries of U.S. soldiers in the wars he invented. It was on the occasion of his organized bike ride with 16 wounded Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans. His answer completely ducked the question. He merely said "I was honored to have served with them"as though he also risked life and limb. These people have not been forced to face reality and anything that can give them some inkling into how despised they are for causing so much needless suffering, death, and financial waste is a blessing. Bravo to the faculty and students of Rutgers for not letting this person off the hook.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)Kinda like inviting Louis Farrakhan because he's such a "successful black leader."
hibbing
(10,098 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)It is totally outrageous to pay her 35K just to give a lame speech packed with lies.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)I don't think we're going to see Rutgers hit the big time in college football anytime soon, at least not so long as Condoleeza Rice is one of the impartial judges who decides who's gonna go.