Reports: 100,000 'yes' ballots for referendum intercepted in Sloviansk

[Iterate]

Source: Kyiv Post

A group of armed Kremlin-backed rebels in possession of a 100,000 ballots already marked with a ‘yes’ vote for the May 11 referendum in Donetsk Oblast were captured and the ballots seized during the Ukrainian government’s anti-terrorist operation near the rebel-occupied city of Sloviansk on May 10.

In addition, a Kalashnikov rifle, Makarov pistol, plus ammunition were seized, Obezrevatel reported. Earlier, Ukrainska Pravada reported that the separatists had seized 80 schools in Donetsk city to carry out their referendum.

Local news website Novosti Donbassa reported that at polling stations in some Donetsk schools voting had already begun.

Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/100000-yes-ballots-for-referendum-intercepted-2-347222.html

[NutmegYankee]

1. Did anyone ever have a doubt?

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2. Video from the Balkans correspondent for The Economist, Tim Judah

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The Balkans correspondent for The Economist, Tim Judah, adds this video, which Kyiv Post is also carrying.

We can't vouch for the video except to say that it matches the description from the Kyiv Post and if it is a fake then it was a fairly sophisticated one (3 actors, a cameraman, a bunch of guns, and a lot of ballots).
http://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/2728

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Edit to add:

Sunday, Tim Judah tweet from Sloviansk

Tim Judah ‏@timjudah1 2 Std.

#Sloviansk voting but confusion about what 4. Some say 4 federalisation some 4 independence. Offical says word on ballot is "slippery".

I've looked for the ballot wording occasionally over the past few days and haven't found it. Try again.

[Bosonic]

3. That sounds a little perplexing

But I'm sure the Donetsk Peoples Republic Election Commission will get to the bottom of it.

[Duckhunter935]

27. such nice young men

where are the flowers?

[The Magistrate]

4. Everyone Knows, Sir, This 'Referendum' Is A Farce

Although our resident 'go Putin' propaganda team will doubtless hail it is 'the will of the people' and 'resistance to fascism'....

[ColesCountyDem]

15. +1000! n/t

[davidpdx]

23. Sir, that is very true

They graduated from KKKarl Rove's College of Fraud.

[MADem]

29. Jeez, ain't THAT the truth. nt

[redgreenandblue]

40. I'm really curious as to where you get your information, considering how sure you seem of this.

Other than that "everyone knows it", what evidence do you have in either direction as to what the "will of the people" is in Eastern Ukraine?

I take it you think that the majority is in fact against independence?

To be clear: I do not necessarily think you are wrong. I just don't see how anyone can know that for certain at this stage.

[The Magistrate]

42. There Is A Good Deal Of Polling Data Out, Sir

Support for secession runs around a quarter at its highest measure in the region.

That the vote in Crimea was a farce has been established, and there, they probably could have won a straight election had they tried to throw one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014797263

The situation is one where an armed minority with foreign support is going to see to it the 'vote' comes out they way their patron has decided it will.

[William769]

41. +1.

[Billy Budd]

5. The CIA chief was in the Ukraine recently

Not being cynical I would say the CIA never does misinformation...not ever ...not in a million years ...its all straight shooting no agit prop of any type... I don't care if it is super convenient timing...I just don't care ...Russia is evil and Kiev does not have an evil bone other than the neo Nazis who hold Portfolios in the Kiev un-elected Govt Cabinet

[uhnope]

7. News that shows Russia as hamfisted dictatorship = western propaganda and CIA tricks

News that shows Putin as glorious leader saving Mother Russia from evil forces = obvious plain and simple truth.

OK, got it.

[Billy Budd]

37. probably more of that Pro Russia prop OK got it

400 elite US commandos help Kiev in Ukraine.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014801871
3:45 PM - About 400 elite commandos of a notorious US private security firm, Academi, are involved in a punitive operation mounted by Ukraine's new government against federalization supporters in eastern Ukraine, the German Bild am Sonntag newspaper reported o ... (Bild am Sonntag)

[uhnope]

39. Um yes, since the source is Voice of Russia via TASS

Anyone remember TASS?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Telegraph_Agency_of_Russia

[sendero]

12. Everyone knows..

... the CIA will do anything. Problem is, so will the Kremlin. There is a lot of money at stake here, money for Russia so I have no problem believing this. It's always the money. Always.

[joshcryer]

14. This is how they did Crimea.

We know the turnout was far lower than claimed, how do you have full ballot boxes otherwise?

[obliviously]

28. They have a choice between excommunist fascists and National socialists

screwed blued and tattooed!

[DFW]

6. The Republicans must be pretty sure of themselves for the 2014 midterms in November

They certainly seem to have time to train the rebels in breakaway Ukrainian areas on how to conduct elections, anyway.

[Billy Budd]

8. any reports of pro Russian and incubators

Some are hearing that pro Russian partisans were throwing babies off incubators to send to Russia...that may obscure this kind of thing

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-bloody-assault-in-mariupol-dashes-hopes-of-avoiding-civil-war-9347972.html

The country’s caretaker government can be accused of trying to blow out flickering hopes of peace by launching a military operation on one of the most revered anniversaries in the Russian-speaking half of the country, the commemoration of victory over Nazi Germany.

The military action is accompanied by stridently aggressive rhetoric from politicians in Kiev who are crowing about the numbers of “terrorists” killed and threatening further lethal punishment.

[Igel]

9. Squirrel!! n/t

[penultimate]

22. Interesting that you so quickly dismiss it as a sham, and don't even consider it may be legit

Are you just as quick to dismiss reports that cast a negative light on the pro-ukrainians? I get being skeptical in times like this (I am), but it seems just as silly outright deny it being possible based on nothing but your own your biases.

[go west young man]

24. It is a sham....

see my post below.

[Billy Budd]

38. specify where I declared it "a sham"

I pointed out that in the fog of war stuff is assumed to be true that later is not true...babies thrown of Incubators is one case...Iraq WMD another...seems something to keep in mind I don't know maybe we should assume the opposite its all true...can't question ...must obey..

[rtracey]

10. well

Well right wingers, there's your hero Putin....and funny, Putin runs elections like the GOP....needs to cheat to win....

[okaawhatever]

11. +100 nt

[Drunken Irishman]

13. Putin corrupt? WHY I NEVER!

[valerief]

16. Oh, isn't that sweet. Just like voting in the U.S. nt

[blkmusclmachine]

20. +1

[Theyletmeeatcake2]

17. stuffed ballot boxes with bogus votes ,a little bit old fashioned

use of machine voting is much neater and easier to cover the trail, technology at it's best.

[go west young man]

18. This story seems a little suspect....

as the BBC has nothing on the matter and neither does the Guardian UK...even though they have referendum related stories.

Current lead stories on Ukraine:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27355085

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/10/donetsk-referendum-ukraine-civil-war

The Kiev Post, on the other hand, posted the following the other day.

The Kiev post is reporting that the people burned themselves alive in Odessa instead of blaming the pro nazi's that the new coup government is made up of.

https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/sbu-russia-behind-kidnapping-of-osce-military-observers-updates-videos-346066.html
Headline at link: Police say pro-Russians accidentally set fatal Odessa fire with Molotov cocktails (LIVE UPDATES, VIDEO)

Even though there is now conclusive video evidence that the fire was started by the violent radical youth outside the building throwing molotov cocktails....

Below is a link to pictures of the people who the Kiev Post reports "killed themselves accidentally". Graphic image warning. Pictures are of corpses in various positions including elderly women, a woman who is missing her pants (she was most likely raped) and a pregnant woman (who unfortunately was the cleaning lady in the wrong place at the wrong time). She was strangled.

Now how the Kiev Post determined that these women accidentally killed themselves is beyond me? But if anyone posting here can give me an answer I would love to see it.

Once again...graphic warning...look at your own risk:

http://ucmopuockon.livejournal.com/5885397.html

Additional link to the pro nazi rally that was held outside the government building right after they had killed these people.

New videos emerging on the internet showing what these sick neo-nazi's did in Odessa.

The first is them celebrating their victory with nazi fist salutes and a flag raising in front of the burned out government building in Odessa. This takes place while there are still dead bodies all over the place inside....including elderly women and even a pregnant woman. Notice their fist salutes and coordinated chants.

[penultimate]

21. I'm not outright dismissing it as a clever ruse, but it should be taken with a grain of salt...

I'd say same thing it was a group found with pre-filled 'no' ballots too.

[tiny elvis]

25. why do so many of the dead in odessa

only have burned hands and heads?

[TorchTheWitch]

45. because they were shot first

and their heads lit on fire to try to obscure that. Their hands are burned in those cases where the people were still alive and their hands went instinctively to their burning heads, or their hands were burned to obscure their identities through finger printing (which might also be the reason for the burned faces, which makes more sense to me). After burning sufficiently they used fire extinguishers to put out the flames so they could continue on without risking themselves to the fire spreading or being exposed to toxic fumes.

GRAPHIC WARNING...

http://nsnbc.me/2014/05/10/odessa-massacre-detail-investigation/

Personally, I don't really know what "side" these thugs are on though it does seem that they are from this neo-nazi faction that is trying to take over the government by brute force. They are a very small part of the government but some are in high places, and their tactics of brute force both in the government and in the streets is atrocious and creating further instability of the Ukraine. There is no neat and tidy pro-Russia side vs. pro-Ukraine side. There is a faction in Ukraine taking advantage of the strife to try to turn the Ukraine into a neo-nazi country. There may also be a faction on the pro-Russia side creating similar atrocities to blame on the pro-Ukraine "side". It's a mess, and it looks like the Ukraine is going to have to fight a civil war at the same time as a war with Russia to remain a sovereign country.

[Duckhunter935]

26. show me all of those nazi fist salutes in the video

please give me a time stamp as I may have missed them

See some preying, some talk some singing, one or two raising an arm during a chant. What glasses are you using?

Do you think the wiill call the results before the referendum is done, 100% voted and 98% yes vote?

xeroxed copies of the ballot, no voter list, no observers? Yes this will be legitimate my ass.

[go west young man]

43. Your obviously choose to ignore...

the fact that this rally is being held right after they just killed the people inside....the photos of the corpses were taken the next day after the sun came up.....so these pics: warning graphic content- were taken while this "Victory" rally was still going on. The corpse of a pregnant woman is still standing bent over a desk as shown in there photos.....the corpse of a woman who was raped is still fresh on the floor missing her pants after being strangled and these "people" are holding a rally outside. Does that not register with you? It is sick behavior....it is the face of nazi fascism....Graphic warning: Pictures of elderly women and pensioners burned alive in Odessa government building fire. The youth who threw the molotov cocktails at them are supported fully by the United States.

http://ucmopuockon.livejournal.com/5885397.html


Now as to your inability to recognize fascist salutes, language and chants....let me help you out.

Go to the 5:44 mark- he refers to the corpses inside as "Colorado Beetles"- ( a slang term used to describe Pro Russians) This is a form of fascism as he is attempting to dehumanize the opposition by relating to an insect that must be crushed.

Go to the 6:10 mark- At this moment the group raises fists in the air along with unified power chants

Go to the 6:14 mark- At this moment the group performs a different power chant along with fists and arms raised


Now, how hard is it for you to realize they are nazi's who just murdered people and are now holding a rally outside to celebrate those murders? Answer me this, are you ok with what they did inside that building? Are you fine with the linked pictures I have shown you?
What is your feeling upon seeing those pictures? How are you defending what these people did? Do you think the woman mysteriously raped and killed herself before being set on fire? Do you think the pregnant cleaning lady deserved what these people, that you are defending, did? You need to ask yourself....what is it that you stand for.

As for me, I stand for the victims....not the fucking killers. I will gladly point out to you what you are too ignorant to look for yourself.

[The Magistrate]

44. Your Commentary On The Photographs, Sir, Is Boiler-Plate Speculation

I have seen another link to the same series, where the claims you make seem to have originated. None of it is based on any sort of genuine investigation.

It is very seldom that items you link to actually support the claims you make in describing them.

[Adrahil]

46. Go West posting Pro Russian bullshit? Say it ain't so. NT

[The Magistrate]

47. The Above Is pretty Poor stuff, Sir

Its root source is 'Strategic Culture Foundation', which hosts among other things columns by Wayne Madsen, who I have not seen in print since he was announcing the U.S. government had taken thousands out from New Orleans and shot them in the bayous after Hurricane Katrina.

Here are a couple of quotes from the piece he is deriving his claims from, to give a sense of their tone and mindset....

The perpetrators “set the scene” as typical in Hollywood-style US/NATO/Israeli false flag operations. The massacre in Odessa, the arrangement of the bodies, is bearing the hallmarks of a “mass casualty event” consistent with US/NATO unconventional warfare doctrine.'

'Note: according to one of the main versions of what happened on May 2 in Odessa, the Right Sector thugs performed a false flag operation. They put St. George’s Ribbons (symbols of anti-Maidan federalism supporters) and organized violent provocations against Maidan supporters (i.e. against their own allies), in order to later blame anti-Maidan supporters and make them look responsible for death of such many people.'

[Adrahil]

48. I'm sure there ARE shenanigans happening on both sides...

But Go West takes the cake with his hard work propping up the Kremlin.

[The Magistrate]

49. So Am I, Sir

I take only two strong stands in this.

I oppose Russia annexing eastern portions of Ukraine.

I oppose people treating Russian propagandas advanced to assist this as if they were true and accurate accounts of events.

[davidpdx]

30. So you are posting three other stories to prove one story is false

Makes fucking sense. Please proceed.

[Iterate]

32. He can't.

In the corner for a timeout. Again.

[davidpdx]

33. Saw that afterward

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I'm sure he has two or three other accounts.

[The Magistrate]

34. I Expect He Does As Well, Sir

There is a fairly tight clique of three or four personas who put up most of this 'go Putin' cheerleading.

[freshwest]

35. He's not barred from posting and I don't see any hidden posts on this thread. Did I miss it? PM me.

[Iterate]

36. Nevermind, one arrived just before one cleared.

I really don't care; just happened to notice.

[penultimate]

19. You're all taking this the wrong way...

This is just a new enhanced voter assistance convenience system meant to make voting easier. It's actually a pretty good idea, imho. Now there is no need to actually vote, because it's all automated and done for you. You guys really need to stop being so regressive when it comes to new ideas.

[Sunlei]

31. Putin creates another scam 'vote' !!