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peoli

(3,111 posts)
Sat May 17, 2014, 02:05 PM May 2014

Mountain Bull, legendary Kenyan elephant, found dead

Source: CBS

Mountain Bull, the magnificent six-ton elephant, featured prominently in our reporting on the poaching crisis in Africa for CBS Evening News and CBS Sunday morning, has been discovered dead.

Perhaps he had been living on borrowed time, but the manner and place of his death is shocking and deeply disheartening to conservationists and Kenyans.

He was a troublesome elephant at least according to human standards - intelligent, wide ranging, and fence breaking with his massive, perfectly matched tusks. During the dry season he would often retreat to the protected and secluded cool forests of Mount Kenya, but in the wet season, he would strike out for undiscovered country far to the north. Fences were but a minor nuisance for him. He knocked them down with his tusks and neighboring crops became a tasty snack for his journeys.

In October of 2012, CBS News producer Jack Renaud and cameraman Wim de Vos travelled with me to Kenya to film a risky capture and partial de-tusking operation on Mountain Bull. Kenya Wildlife Service vets undertook a dynamic operation to dart him and while he rumbled in an anesthetic slumber they fired up a chain saw and sawed off the ends of his tusks while we, awed by his might, crowded in for a gentle touch.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mountain-bull-legendary-kenyan-elephant-found-dead/

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Mountain Bull, legendary Kenyan elephant, found dead (Original Post) peoli May 2014 OP
Horrible and disgusting. narnian60 May 2014 #1
When human beings are no longer slaves to money. peoli May 2014 #2
and when our population shrinks BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #14
The farmers who lose crops are trying to feed their families NickB79 May 2014 #39
when humans no longer inhabit the Earth. We are an infestation. nt ladjf May 2014 #13
+100 narnian60 May 2014 #23
^ this ^ defacto7 May 2014 #29
will never end unless/until humans/animals are in balance again wordpix May 2014 #37
. TeeYiYi May 2014 #3
People suck catbyte May 2014 #4
Kenya has a 3,000 man Wildlife Ranger Force peoli May 2014 #5
That is true but they are getting a steady income too. Ash_F May 2014 #8
"We have to risk our lives because we have the passion in our hearts." peoli May 2014 #9
Yep, I heard that part. Ash_F May 2014 #10
Actually, that brings up a question. Where do the rangers live? Ash_F May 2014 #11
yes. n/t BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #15
how tragic heaven05 May 2014 #6
Vets removed most of his tusks in an effort to make him less of a target. Ash_F May 2014 #7
I have a difficult time when people reveal where these lovely creatures are. glinda May 2014 #12
true BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #16
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 May 2014 #17
Thank you for sharing. Great Information. peoli May 2014 #21
Tragic and agonizing Glorfindel May 2014 #18
And off to China the ivory goes... nt onehandle May 2014 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Earth_First May 2014 #20
If the world "just said no" to the ivory, they would not die. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #22
My ruthless adopted Father was a doctor and a serial animal murderer mithnanthy May 2014 #24
Note what is under my post re: cats CountAllVotes May 2014 #25
Thank you for your opinion. I respect that. mithnanthy May 2014 #26
I'm sad to learn your life has been surrounded by this evil CountAllVotes May 2014 #27
Is CBS News a pay site? defacto7 May 2014 #28
No it's a free site. peoli May 2014 #30
Wow, defacto7 May 2014 #33
"Mountain Bull had been killed silently with spears" in middle of the park! 24/7 web cams across Sunlei May 2014 #31
We need to start finding shipments of this medicine. alphafemale May 2014 #32
I'm still not understanding why the Kenyan government doesn't protect this invaluable world resource The Stranger May 2014 #34
They have 3,000 armed men on patrol protecting wildlife. peoli May 2014 #35
Hire more men/patrols. The Stranger May 2014 #36
according to a Kenyan friend, Kenya's officials are completely corrupt wordpix May 2014 #38

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
14. and when our population shrinks
Sat May 17, 2014, 03:30 PM
May 2014

so that we are in balance with the rest of Life.

As we continue to overtake the planet, destroying everything as we use it for our survival (which ultimately equals $$), our cruelty to each other and to the rest of the living Earth will worsen.



NickB79

(19,236 posts)
39. The farmers who lose crops are trying to feed their families
Mon May 19, 2014, 05:01 PM
May 2014

Farmers have long fought elephants to save their crops, because when you only have a few acres of land, a mature elephant can destroy your entire season's crops in one night.

Crops they need to feed their families.

Ultimately, this boils down to too many humans, encroaching on too little remaining wild lands, on a continent where wildlife evolved to migrate long distances to find food and water as the seasons changed.

It's a recipe for disaster.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
37. will never end unless/until humans/animals are in balance again
Mon May 19, 2014, 04:41 PM
May 2014

That will only happen if humans get control of their population, which does not look likely.

I feel sorry for the younger generation. I only have one (now grown) child but I feel sorry for him, too. He is inheriting a dangerous world that is out of kilter due to human population growth and poverty and its evil twin, greed.

 

peoli

(3,111 posts)
5. Kenya has a 3,000 man Wildlife Ranger Force
Sat May 17, 2014, 02:57 PM
May 2014

but the area they patrol is so big that one man = 6 square miles to patrol. I find it fascinating that they are risking their lives to protect Nature against people who will not only kill Wildlife but also kill any human being that stands in the way. This is life when life is not sacred.

To me the Wildlife Ranger Force are hero's.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
8. That is true but they are getting a steady income too.
Sat May 17, 2014, 03:03 PM
May 2014

I'm not trying to diminish their efforts; I heard the man speak. But it is easier to be on the side of right if you can make a living doing it.

 

peoli

(3,111 posts)
9. "We have to risk our lives because we have the passion in our hearts."
Sat May 17, 2014, 03:16 PM
May 2014

I'm glad that they are getting paid. I wish Kenya would quadruple their forces.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
11. Actually, that brings up a question. Where do the rangers live?
Sat May 17, 2014, 03:22 PM
May 2014

Where do the poachers live in relation to them? Are they fighting their own neighbors? If so, what is that like?

Is there an ethnic, religious or class divide behind the scenes here?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
6. how tragic
Sat May 17, 2014, 02:58 PM
May 2014

and thoroughly disgusting this is. Well we're doing enough damage to this planet to be all but eradicated in the next two centuries or so. Probably won't take us that long, and we want to settle other planets. For what? To destroy them and whatever lifeforms are on it too? geez

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
7. Vets removed most of his tusks in an effort to make him less of a target.
Sat May 17, 2014, 03:00 PM
May 2014

They killed him anyway just for the stubs.

They mentioned educating locals about conservationism and the benefits of tourism. The problem with that is there are always going to be some people who will be locked out of the economy. Those who can not take part will be tempted toward crime. If they can address poverty across the board in these areas that could help immensely.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
12. I have a difficult time when people reveal where these lovely creatures are.
Sat May 17, 2014, 03:28 PM
May 2014

Seems like it is then a matter of time before they are murdered. Makes me sick to my stomach.

red dog 1

(27,797 posts)
17. K&R...Thanks for posting
Sat May 17, 2014, 04:48 PM
May 2014

The Kenyan Wildlife Rangers risk their lives every day for very little pay.

"This is clearly a relentless campaign, and one with no likely end as long as the seemingly insatiable demand for ivory and other endangered animal parts in Asia continues.
The mental strain for those at the sharp end must be momentous."

One ranger, 28-year-old Paul Nyerito, said:
"The animals are innocents...They're not guilty....They don't know they carry these prescious things.that place them at risk. If they did, they would try to protect themselves, but they can't.
They're innocent like children, and like children, I must do what I can to protect them."

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/defense-force-kenyas-poacher-hunters-8989711.html

Glorfindel

(9,729 posts)
18. Tragic and agonizing
Sat May 17, 2014, 05:08 PM
May 2014

My cousin saw this magnificent animal three years ago. She sent a heartbroken email and a link to me earlier today. Sometimes I'm ashamed to be a human being.

Response to peoli (Original post)

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
22. If the world "just said no" to the ivory, they would not die.
Sat May 17, 2014, 07:51 PM
May 2014

Sad to say that making his tucks non lethal probably put him at the mercy of spear wielding poachers. With real tusks, he could have fought them off. They probably looked at him and thought "An easy one!"

mithnanthy

(1,725 posts)
24. My ruthless adopted Father was a doctor and a serial animal murderer
Sat May 17, 2014, 08:43 PM
May 2014

I watched him suffer when he died. He hated cats. Had his Airedale terrier hunt and kill them as he photographed them at his "gentleman farm". Believe in Karma................... I 'inherited" the full mounted leopard, the full mounted tiger rug, elephant ivory jewelry, elephant foot stool, elephant underfoot "cocktail server", elephant tail hair jewelry, AND elephant PRIVATE PART!(penis cane) Also an Oozic(walrus)full penis bone (certain animals have a "bone" in their penis...like walrus, elephant (to make breeding easier) and other smaller animal penis' and it's "jewelry&quot earrings, bracelets) . My adopted father was a very disturbed little man. Believe when they say...a GUN represents a PENIS. I rest my case.

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
25. Note what is under my post re: cats
Sat May 17, 2014, 09:11 PM
May 2014

Your adopted late father ...

Well it is not nice to speak ill of the dead so I shall refrain but the proverb below my name says it all I'd say.

mithnanthy

(1,725 posts)
26. Thank you for your opinion. I respect that.
Sat May 17, 2014, 09:28 PM
May 2014

But, I respect the innocent dead too and those who deserve the respect......I was only relating the truth of what he did. Our house was FULL of bodies of poor helpless animals murdered by this person. (over 200+ animals)...He was a club member of International Safari Club and The Boone and Crockett Club, who encourage murdering animals en masse for glory and "points' in that organization. It's hard to respect him after everything he did to them. Just a decent question...would you think, that respect is deserved of a willful murderer of defenseless animals? I just can't get past the joy he got from cutting them down, playing with their bodies on camera and laughing.... He was cruel to me also...he liked hurting the weak. Like I said, he was a sick man. But thank you for your remarks.

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
27. I'm sad to learn your life has been surrounded by this evil
Sat May 17, 2014, 10:05 PM
May 2014

And yes, to me that is what it is -- EVIL.

I hope that you will be able to move beyond his sick mind that hurt you as well as lots of innocent animals and probably people too.

Hang in there my friend.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
28. Is CBS News a pay site?
Sun May 18, 2014, 01:46 AM
May 2014

I can't get it.

I'd prefer links to sites we all can read... Thank you.

Elephant that symbolized Kenya’s wildlife conservation campaign found dead at 46

The story is a pitiful reminder of what rules the world... money and power... and who has ruled the earth for the last ~6000 years... humankind. We will certainly be a short lived species.

The Kenyan Wildlife Rangers and all others who protect life are certainly heroes, but the source of the ugliness itself is ignorance. The middleman is poverty.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
33. Wow,
Mon May 19, 2014, 01:31 AM
May 2014

Three times now links from posters including this one don't load from this site. It's actually been a while since I remember getting through to this CBS page, with or without Java script or Java, it just sits there with the title banner and a blank page.????

I'll have to look into it.

Thanks!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
31. "Mountain Bull had been killed silently with spears" in middle of the park! 24/7 web cams across
Sun May 18, 2014, 02:13 PM
May 2014

those parks so the general public can watch and report the poachers!! couple dozen 24/7 web cams would be much better than those 3,000 Kenyan park guards! when they collar these elephants /w GPS they should have a web cam on that collar!

We need the same 24/7 public web cams in our American parks. We also have problems with hunting poacher's , thieves stealing ancient items, people stealing, harassing and shooting our wild horses and people using ATVs where they aren't allowed.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
32. We need to start finding shipments of this medicine.
Sun May 18, 2014, 02:58 PM
May 2014

And start putting strychnine in it.

Or maybe something that doesn't kill but really, really hurts.


These ruthless fucks would kill the last tiger.


The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
34. I'm still not understanding why the Kenyan government doesn't protect this invaluable world resource
Mon May 19, 2014, 11:16 AM
May 2014

This was a bull elephant that was world renowned. This is a world resource that is being obliterated by things I will not even give the respect to call thugs, much less humans.

And even if you don't see it from an ecological standpoint, if we must stoop to fucking money, then why not protect this as a source of world tourism? There are whole economies built upon tourism. This elephant was a world celebrity. People will pay good money for this.

Where in the fuck are the Kenyans on this?

I'm still not understanding it.

 

peoli

(3,111 posts)
35. They have 3,000 armed men on patrol protecting wildlife.
Mon May 19, 2014, 02:00 PM
May 2014

But it is enough to only equal 1 man per 6 miles.....

Are you talking about only protecting this one Elephant exclusively.... like what would you have them do?

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
36. Hire more men/patrols.
Mon May 19, 2014, 03:28 PM
May 2014

Create a state agency to regulate (and charge for) tourism of Kenyan wildlife.

This would not only include elephants, but other flora and fauna.

Charge for educational tours of some parts of the wildlife.

Hire more men/patrols.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
38. according to a Kenyan friend, Kenya's officials are completely corrupt
Mon May 19, 2014, 04:46 PM
May 2014

My friend is now a legal US resident. She is always amazed when officials are caught here in graft and corruption scandals. She says this never happens in Kenya, or it's very rare.


It would explain why protecting parks are off Kenyan officials' radar if they're just protecting their own private assets.

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