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Omaha Steve

(99,628 posts)
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 09:20 PM Jul 2014

Eye test may be able to detect Alzheimer's decades before onset

Source: CBS News

By DON DAHLER

NEW YORK - More than 5 million Americans currently have Alzheimer's disease. That number is expected to increase dramatically in the decades ahead.

On Sunday, researchers announced the promising results of a study on a new test to pick up on the disease years - if not decades - in advance. And they're looking for signs in an unusual place: the eye.

These bright dots are proteins called beta amyloids visible in the retina of a patient diagnosed with Alzheimer's diseases.

Beta amyloids are typically found in the brain and have been known to be linked to Alzheimer's.

FULL story at link.

Video: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/eye-tests-may-help-detect-alzheimers

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/eye-test-may-be-able-to-detect-alzheimers-decades-before-onset/



Smell test may detect early stages of Alzheimer's, studies show: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/smell-test-may-detect-early-stages-of-alzheimers-disease-studies-show/

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Eye test may be able to detect Alzheimer's decades before onset (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jul 2014 OP
And what is the benefit to finding out you'll get Alzheimers DECADES before the onset? pnwmom Jul 2014 #1
If anything maybe it will give people the urgency to live for now instead of later. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #8
The loss of insurance is minimal compared to preventative treatment Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #24
You are correct. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #31
Thanks for the info. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #34
no there are no drugs to slow the progression, just Big Pharma advertising claiming such wordpix Jul 2014 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #94
But there is no preventative treatment. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #20
Yes but there are ways to reduce risk. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #26
And everyone should be doing what they can to prevent risk, just as they should pnwmom Jul 2014 #32
Or it deprives people of hope. Which is why many or most of people with the gene pnwmom Jul 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #36
there are treatments. mopinko Jul 2014 #4
There is no preventative treatment. Nothing that would be started decades earlier. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #30
But doctors wouldn't start them decades ahead of any symptoms. pnwmom Jul 2014 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #35
Sure they would. jeff47 Jul 2014 #41
Not decades earlier, in the absence of symptoms. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #42
Yes, much earlier. They'd start treatment at the first symptoms jeff47 Jul 2014 #43
They don't start treatment until there are some symptoms. pnwmom Jul 2014 #45
Right now, the symptoms have to be pretty advanced before they call it alzheimers jeff47 Jul 2014 #54
But there's no benefit to seeking treatment much faster. pnwmom Jul 2014 #55
Because it makes things better for longer. jeff47 Jul 2014 #60
No, it doesn't change the progression of the disease, or make it "show up" years later. pnwmom Jul 2014 #61
There are no drugs on the market today that slow the progression of AD... rexcat Jul 2014 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #97
No they don't... rexcat Jul 2014 #104
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #113
Bad news concerning Lily... rexcat Jul 2014 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #129
exactly oldtime dfl_er Jul 2014 #5
A few. Igel Jul 2014 #14
What a powerful post Lefta Dissenter Jul 2014 #21
But anyone could get hit by a car and be permanently disabled, or have a terrible stroke. pnwmom Jul 2014 #28
Does Alzheimer's run in your family? nt Javaman Jul 2014 #66
Not so far. But half of people over 85 have it to some degree. The risk for everyone pnwmom Jul 2014 #67
I do. Javaman Jul 2014 #76
But, as I said, we should make the proper arrangements anyway. pnwmom Jul 2014 #91
Not everyone makes the "proper araigements"... Javaman Jul 2014 #103
Wrong. My mother has it now. But she signed her POA and other documents pnwmom Jul 2014 #105
Wait a second... Javaman Jul 2014 #109
That's not the question I answered. I answered the question: does it run in my family? pnwmom Jul 2014 #110
You mom has it... Javaman Jul 2014 #124
There is a test that will show likelihood of Alzheimer's Thirties Child Jul 2014 #127
unlike a car accident or stroke, the onset of Alzheimers is very insidious... magical thyme Jul 2014 #77
If you're going to have a stroke that hurts you mentally, you would have needed pnwmom Jul 2014 #92
With a clear, specific brain injury, such as a stroke or car accident magical thyme Jul 2014 #96
We set up powers of attorney for my mother long before she had any symptoms. pnwmom Jul 2014 #98
agreed. magical thyme Jul 2014 #99
If you trust the person you give it to, as both my mother and mother-in-law did, pnwmom Jul 2014 #101
Thank you for writing your experience with this kiranon Jul 2014 #53
That is one of the saddest stories I have ever read. No Vested Interest Jul 2014 #58
Thank you Omaha Steve Jul 2014 #69
Thank you for sharing this. I am so sorry for what your family suffered... magical thyme Jul 2014 #75
So true. What an amazing post. Thank you. Relatives are the first to notice changes. WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #84
I've lost TWO fathers to Alzheimer's Nevernose Jul 2014 #125
There actually is preventative treatment arikara Jul 2014 #56
Floaters are common. It doesn't sound like they're connected to the things that are pnwmom Jul 2014 #57
Let me ask you a simple question... Javaman Jul 2014 #65
I have a 50 percent chance of getting early onset dementia. Coventina Jul 2014 #68
But any of us could die tomorrow. So shouldn't people do the proper planning just in case, pnwmom Jul 2014 #93
Agreed on that. Yes, I believe in proper planning. Coventina Jul 2014 #95
I didn't mean to use that stupid question mark. pnwmom Jul 2014 #100
I figured that was the case. Coventina Jul 2014 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #81
Your health and life insurance companies can base your rate and coverage on it. n/t hughee99 Jul 2014 #111
Fortunately, Obamacare means your health insurance can't base your rate on that. pnwmom Jul 2014 #116
In 10 years, we'll see if that's still the case. hughee99 Jul 2014 #117
Life insurance rates aren't affected by the ACA, so nothing has changed there. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #123
Screw that -- I'd want to know! Auggie Jul 2014 #114
It allows you to prepare for it. Get your affairs in order, set up things to protect your family, SharonAnn Jul 2014 #119
I think everybody should always be preparing for the fact that pnwmom Jul 2014 #121
There are currently some medications available to slow the progress of Alzheimer's. Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #3
It was recently reported that none of them are working. nt DURHAM D Jul 2014 #6
Not working as in failing to slow the progress? Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #7
Correct. nt DURHAM D Jul 2014 #9
I have heard they do slow the progress, I don't mean a cure but any slowing is good. Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #13
See post 71... rexcat Jul 2014 #72
this is information from Alzheimer's group Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #74
You missed the key statement... rexcat Jul 2014 #79
For myself ANY delay in loss of memory, etc is a good thing Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #80
There are several issues at play... rexcat Jul 2014 #85
I was very unhappy in the 80's when funding was cut for AD research and thought Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #11
This is the information I have heard also. Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #22
Any progress in this condition would be great, it is so sad. Hopefully more research Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #38
Early detection won't change the course of the disease, not with the drugs pnwmom Jul 2014 #115
In the 80's the answer was by the process of elimination. Now they are seeing different things Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #118
Right. It only treats symptoms, so it wouldn't be given to people years before symptoms. n/t pnwmom Jul 2014 #48
Yes - my Dad was on Aricept. 840high Jul 2014 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #39
It did. 840high Jul 2014 #51
Aricept helps with symptoms but does nothing to slow the progression of the disease. pnwmom Jul 2014 #47
If you talk to the caregivers of people on Aricept, they stated they feel the drug just drags it on Hestia Jul 2014 #50
I was a caregiver to my Dad - did 840high Jul 2014 #52
No there aren't. Not yet. All the available drugs do is help with some symptoms, pnwmom Jul 2014 #46
Would you want to know? AgingAmerican Jul 2014 #15
And another headline from last week greiner3 Jul 2014 #16
But anyone could have a stroke or a terrible accident at any time -- so everybody pnwmom Jul 2014 #49
Let's not get too excited Shoonra Jul 2014 #19
"excpected to increase dramatically in the decades ahead" Triana Jul 2014 #40
Hate to get in the way of catharsis, but Heywood J Jul 2014 #63
Yes why the dramatic increases now? Triana Jul 2014 #64
There is a simple explanation... rexcat Jul 2014 #73
Shakespeare's play King Lear is about a guy with Alzheimer's who was king. Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #82
Good news and tests sound relatively non invasive /harmless too lunasun Jul 2014 #44
the bad news is that the FDA probably won't apporve the test for decades. olddad56 Jul 2014 #78
I think I would want to know. I might worry less about some things that won't matter. Hoyt Jul 2014 #59
Treatments for Alzheimer's disease (http://www.alz.org/) Omaha Steve Jul 2014 #62
Some herbs have shown some efficacy at reducing brain plaques, improving cognition/memory. WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #83
Wish you would......sigh..... lunasun Jul 2014 #120
Relative are first to notice subtle changes. Don't dismiss them. WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #86
If I knew ahead of time I had Alzheimer's, I'd plan my suicide. Vinca Jul 2014 #88
The first thing a doctor will tell a couple going through this.... Omaha Steve Jul 2014 #89
Already done over here. After our experience with our mother, Coventina Jul 2014 #90
My condolences. People really don't know how bad it is. Vinca Jul 2014 #112
Thanks for the info! Faux pas Jul 2014 #102
knowing about any illness causes some level of panic La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #108
i would want to know dembotoz Jul 2014 #122
There is a lot to learn about Alzheimer's, it is an experience one tends to feel deeply about. Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #126

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
1. And what is the benefit to finding out you'll get Alzheimers DECADES before the onset?
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 09:22 PM
Jul 2014

No thanks -- not unless they can develop a preventative treatment.

Tetris_Iguana

(501 posts)
2. If anything maybe it will give people the urgency to live for now instead of later.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 09:27 PM
Jul 2014

Not to mention better planning and whatnot. Ignorance is rarely the best option and is often the worst.

I say this as someone with a high genetic predisposition to Alzheimer's before age 50.

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Tetris_Iguana

(501 posts)
10. The loss of insurance is minimal compared to preventative treatment
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:16 PM
Jul 2014

and the later sentiment, while good, is an empty cliché.

But to each their own.

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wordpix

(18,652 posts)
70. no there are no drugs to slow the progression, just Big Pharma advertising claiming such
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:52 AM
Jul 2014

This from one who took care of my mother from onset of the disease through every stage to her final days---6 years of gradual progression and no drug worked to slow the advance of the disease.

We tried every drug out there. The drugs only calmed or slowed her down when she was having psychotic episodes so as to make them more bearable for her and her caregivers. But even this was a problem as my mother could walk with help until the very late stage, but she was even more wobbly on her feet on the "calming" drugs, or she would fall asleep, so they were often counterproductive.

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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
32. And everyone should be doing what they can to prevent risk, just as they should
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:47 PM
Jul 2014

to prevent strokes, heart attacks, etc.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
23. Or it deprives people of hope. Which is why many or most of people with the gene
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:41 PM
Jul 2014

for Huntington's decide they don't want to know.

Everybody is better off planning to have Alzheimers because any of us could get disabled at any point, from some other condition. But we're not necessarily better knowing we will definitely get Alzheimers. It might cause some people to take unreasonable risks they otherwise wouldn't have.

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mopinko

(70,100 posts)
4. there are treatments.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 09:58 PM
Jul 2014

they only help if they are started early enough. maybe not that great yet, but it is something.

i would want to know. i would not want to wait around for that. i would choose my own moment.
caring for an alzheimers patient, even if they are in an institution. i wouldnt want to put my family through that.

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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
41. Sure they would.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:05 PM
Jul 2014

Right now, someone has to get pretty far advanced before they are diagnosed with Alzheimer's. If this test shows they are at risk, they'd start the treatment much earlier.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
43. Yes, much earlier. They'd start treatment at the first symptoms
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:13 PM
Jul 2014

instead of waiting for the symptoms to be so advanced that the diagnosis was undeniable.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
45. They don't start treatment until there are some symptoms.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:21 PM
Jul 2014
The drugs do nothing to halt the progression of the disease. They only help treat symptoms -- and the effects wear off over time. So if the symptoms are so mild that the disease isn't diagnosable, then the person wouldn't benefit from them. They wouldn't be prescribed in people with no symptoms, because all the drugs do is help with symptoms. So they're not going to start treatment decades before the disease is likely to begin. There's no point.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/alzheimers-disease/in-depth/alzheimers/art-20048103

Alzheimer's drugs offer one strategy to help manage memory loss, thinking and reasoning problems, and day-to-day function. Unfortunately, Alzheimer's drugs don't work for everyone, and they can't cure the disease or stop its progression. Over time, their effects wear off.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
54. Right now, the symptoms have to be pretty advanced before they call it alzheimers
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:57 PM
Jul 2014

Largely because people do not seek treatment until it is undeniable.

Knowing that you are likely to get it means you're going to seek treatment much faster.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
55. But there's no benefit to seeking treatment much faster.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:06 AM
Jul 2014
The drugs only treat actual symptoms.

So if you're getting along okay with minimal symptoms, then you won't benefit from the drugs. And you shouldn't take them any earlier than necessary because the drugs' positive effects wear off over time. What is the point of taking them when you have few symptoms, if that means they won't work when your symptoms have inevitably become worse?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
60. Because it makes things better for longer.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 04:53 AM
Jul 2014

Instead of having very bad symptoms show up in 5 years, they show up in 10.

Not a massive difference in grand scheme of things, but most people would appreciate those 5 years.

Additionally, there's the benefit of just understanding the disease better. We really don't have a good handle on what causes Alzheimer's. We used to blame it on plaques in the brain, but then we found people with really bad plaques who had no symptoms. Having to explain the "eye angle" lets us better understand the disease.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
61. No, it doesn't change the progression of the disease, or make it "show up" years later.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 05:31 AM
Jul 2014

It just reduces the symptoms a person has. But you have to have actual symptoms for this improvement to happen.

And, under the best of circumstances, it's not clear any of these drugs work well at all -- for most people.

http://thegeriatrician.blogspot.com/2011/05/does-aricept-work-yesnomaybe-so.html

So does it work? The answer is maybe. But you'd never know. It is clear these drugs have an effect in populations, that the response is incredibly variable. They may really work. For a very small proportion, they may work really really well and those improvements may be masked in groups of people. But it should be clear that the average person benefits little or not at all. So why do most people feel that these drugs do nothing? An incredibly variable response which is very very small leaves a lot of us thinking that these medications don't seem to be doing anything most of the time. It's just so hard to tell.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
71. There are no drugs on the market today that slow the progression of AD...
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:53 AM
Jul 2014

the drugs currently on the market slow down memory loss for a short time but in no way slow the progression of AD. There is one class of drug in clinical trials that has the potential to slow the progression of AD and that is the BACE 1 inhibitors. This class of drug stops the cleavage of amyloid beta from the precursor protein (APP). The FDA has fast tracked the clinical trials.

There is one caveat with these clinical trials for the BACE 1 inhibitors. The current hypothesis is amyloid beta triggers the production of tau protein. Amyloid beta is extracellular plaques whereas tau protein forms intracellular tangles in the neurons. Tau protein is actually more toxic than amyloid beta. The alternate hypothesis is amyloid beta and tau protein production are not linked and a two pronged attack would be needed, one against amyloid beta and one against tau protein. Tau protein is also found in other forms of dementia whereas amyloid beta is only seen in AD.

on edit: full disclosure I work in the Pharmaceutical Industry so anything I say is automatically suspect on DU but I am familiar with the BACE 1 inhibitors since I am working with then in clinical trials.

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rexcat

(3,622 posts)
104. No they don't...
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 03:07 PM
Jul 2014

go to post 79 for the explanation and if you still don't believe me go upstream of that post (post 74) and there is a link to the Alzheimer's Association web page.

None of the drugs approved slow the progression of AD. I am currently working on the first drug that has the potential to slow the progression of AD. It is Phase II-III clinical trials and has been fast tracked by the FDA for the fact that there are no drugs that have slowed or stopped the progression of AD. All the current drugs do is mask the symptoms of AD. It would be a far stretch to say that something that masks the symptoms of AD is slowing the progression of the disease. I am quite aware of what is currently on the market and what is in clinical trials. Please stop disseminating false information.

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rexcat

(3,622 posts)
128. Bad news concerning Lily...
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:42 PM
Jul 2014

pulled from clinical trials because of severe liver toxicity. Still hope for the other companies.

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Igel

(35,300 posts)
14. A few.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:27 PM
Jul 2014

1. If they can find it early, they can track its course and see how it developes. That may allow better research to find ways to slow it down or stop it.

2. If you know what's coming, you can plan. My mother has Alzheimer's. Until she stopped talking she denied it. That meant she fought everything done to make her life safer. She had to drive herself to the doctor--even if going off course by a block meant she had no idea where she was. She did truly foolish things--and had no idea that they were foolish, and resented to the point of death threats anybody that tried to diminish her independence.

If she knew this a decade in advance, she might have made preparations for it.

3. It helps those around you. My father committed suicide. It was a long time coming.

My mother pushed away me and my wife by doing idiotic things to and with our pre-school son. "I yelled at him at told him to go play outside." "Ma, it's 9:30 pm, you have no front yard to speak of, and we don't see him." "Well, that's his fault." We found him down the block in a parking lot, running in circles from the parking lot into the street and back into the parking lot.

My mother constantly accused my father of trying to steal her money. Of wanting to sell the house and run off with his girlfriends. Of doing everything possible to make her life miserable--they didn't go out any more, and hadn't gone anywhere for months. (They went out to a movie and dinner weekly--but none of their friends would get near them in public.)

After she'd made his life misery and she was delusional, after he was told that we'd never visit them again so he'd have to see his grandson at a park or something when we visited their city, after she started going through their phone list and called everybody to say he was cheating on her ...

Finally one day she started calling the police on him when he went to the store and came home. "Police--arrest this stranger. He left me 50 years ago and now he's trying to steal everything I have." She started telling the neighbors that he was a thief and brought his girlfriend home to *her* house, not his.

He got the diagnosis from her doctor that she had Alzheimer's. After years of making his life hell, he knew he'd have to take her to court to deal with her and he couldn't do it. He spent a week getting the house in order--cleaned the poor, trimmed the trees, got the cars gased up and tuned up, paid bills, replaced all the batteries in the smoke detectors. Then after dinner one Saturday he did dishes after dinner and went to the garage. He lay down on the garage floor, held the gun he'd bought a few months prior, and killed himself.

The next day I found out how far the Alzheimer's had gone, and two weeks later I had to file for custody of my mother. During this time a dozen times a day she told me about finding the body, and how it was the happiest day of her life. Then saw the court forms I was filling out, understood enough about what they were for, ripped them up and grabbed a knife and threatened to kill me.

Next day I filed the forms. The day after that I drove my father's SUV back 1200 miles to where I lived. Thing is, once I had custody it was a nightmare. Everything I did she fought--she'd argue that the court orders were forgeries and she had no idea who I was--some con man trying to take her money. It took *months* to get everything squared away and to get somebody in to help her. By that time she'd lost 30 pounds. She almost went crazy when her tv broke--she had changed a setting on the remote and couldn't figure out how it worked. "On" and "off" she could handle, but change a channel ...

During all of this my mother's twin had end-stage breast cancer. While worrying about her own health and how it would affect her own family she had to deal with my mother calling and ranting about my father, me, my brother. She had to figure out what was going on, because she was first in line for property power of attorney and health power of attorney. Until the court weighed in--and that took over 6 months--she'd be the one making the decisions. She had to relinquish both, so somebody else could handle my mother's decisions using what turns out to be very weak authority granted in a standard POA.

My brother's wife had breast and bone cancer. A year after my father committed suicide, she died. My brother was close to insanity, trying to deal with my mother and his wife. Because nobody saw Alzheimer's coming. My mother was just acting "strange." The stress, the abuse, it didn't make sense--then it was a burden for my brother to try to work around her intransigence and tirades to make sure she was safe. As his wife was dying.

A decade's warning: My mother could have made choices. We would have known what was happening. Steps could have been taken ahead of time to deal with her symptoms and get everything arranged for when she wasn't able to make decisions or when her decisions were always horrible. We could have had a way of dividing up duties so that no one person was alone and depressed enough to commit suicide, family members dealing with their own personal end of life issues or those of their loved ones would have known what was going on and could let others know.

Your post says that the only person of any importance in the diagnosis is the patient, and the only thing of any use is prevention. I think that's wrong in a lot of ways, unless you live alone, have nothing, have no family, no job, and no friends or people who rely on you or who care about you.

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
21. What a powerful post
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:38 PM
Jul 2014

I am just so sorry for all of the pain and heartbreak. Thank you for being willing to share your story, so that others may have some small inkling of what it might be like to have been dealt those cards.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
28. But anyone could get hit by a car and be permanently disabled, or have a terrible stroke.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:46 PM
Jul 2014

So we should ALL plan for what we'd do if we were physically or mentally disabled. We don't need to make special plans for Alzheimers.

Until there is preventative treatment, I wouldn't want to know.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
67. Not so far. But half of people over 85 have it to some degree. The risk for everyone
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:12 AM
Jul 2014

rises with age.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
76. I do.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:13 AM
Jul 2014

My paternal grandfather got it at 70, my maternal grandmother got it at 67 and my mom got at 80.

Knowing exactly and acutely what that disease does on a very personal level, I would want to know if I was susceptible.

If a test becomes available, I would take it in a heartbeat.

Why? so I can make the proper arraignments to prepare myself and my family financially.

And knowing full well of the effects and how a person becomes hardly even a gossamers vale of their former self, I would choose to end my life at the appropriate time if I knew I had the early stages.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
91. But, as I said, we should make the proper arrangements anyway.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:46 PM
Jul 2014

You or I could have a stroke tomorrow.

And half of us will develop Alzheimers if we just live long enough.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
103. Not everyone makes the "proper araigements"...
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 03:02 PM
Jul 2014

It's readily apparent that you know nothing of what it's like to have someone with Alzheimer's.

A stroke, if caught in time, (minutes sometimes) can be recovered from.

Alzheimer's, nope.

so try another example that falls flat.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
105. Wrong. My mother has it now. But she signed her POA and other documents
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jul 2014

more than ten years ago, long before she had any symptoms .

As everyone should do -- especially those without spouses who could take over.

A stroke may or may not be recovered from. A fall from a horse may or not be recovered from. Having Alzheimers in the future -- nor not -- doesn't affect all the other risks that could happen.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
109. Wait a second...
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 04:40 PM
Jul 2014

you said just four replies up to my post of "do you know anyone that has it?"

you said...

"Not so far. But half of people over 85 have it to some degree. The risk for everyone rises with age."

and now you say you're mother has it?

and yes, everyone should make preparations, but a very small percentage of the population actually does. People think they will live forever.

Also, being a first responder with first aid recovery training, time plays an enormous factor in stroke victims. Knowing the exact time of the stroke can been the difference between full recovery, paralysis and death.

And unlike a stroke, Alzheimer's can not be recovered from. So again, your comparison falls flat.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
110. That's not the question I answered. I answered the question: does it run in my family?
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 05:16 PM
Jul 2014

And the answer is no. It doesn't "run" in your family when the person is over 85 (since half of adults have it by that age) and no one else in your family (including some relatives over 90) has ever had it.

The issue isn't how fast something can happen or whether it can be prevented. The issue is that ALL of us are human and ANY of us could be struck by something debilitating tomorrow. So all of us should have some kind of arrangements for who would take over if necessary. Married people have their spouses. Other people need to choose who will do this, ahead of time, before they have that devastating accident or diagnosis.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
124. You mom has it...
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 08:07 AM
Jul 2014

that's running in your family.

if she didn't have it and no one else had it, that's not running in your family.

And you have this odd fatalist sort of belief that just because your mom is 85 she will get Alzheimer's as if that is just the way things are.

that is very strange.

3 people in my family got it, but everyone else of those same generations didn't. I had a large family so statistically, your claim is completely wrong.

you are now deviating from the original question.

The issue is exactly about it not being preventable.

you presented that argument and now you are backing away from it.

Look, let's take a rest. It matters nothing in the long run.

I want to get the test if it become available and you do not.

let's leave it at that.

but if you insist on having the last word, knock yourself out, because I really don't care.

This inane subthread has run it's course.

Thirties Child

(543 posts)
127. There is a test that will show likelihood of Alzheimer's
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 09:48 AM
Jul 2014

It's called APOE. It comes in three colors - e2, e3, e4 - and you inherit one of six combinations. e4 is the dangerous allele, and double 4 is the big one. If you compare 4/4 to the general population the chance of getting Alzheimer's is 60%; however, if you compare 4/4s to other 4/4s, the chance is something like 93%. Brain differences even show up in children.

I've learned all this because my husband is 3/4, and is suffering from short-term memory loss. Twice in one day he asked me where he was born. He's taking the generic for Aricept but neither of us can see that it's making a difference.

I had our DNA tested at 23andMe for genealogical reasons, got health reports too. The FDA stopped the health reports, said people were misusing them, diagnosing themselves. The value can be telling you where you might be vulnerable.

I'm sorry I can't produce any links. There is a forum called APOE4, started by 4/4s to share information. Their discovery of 4/4 was at first devastating, and then liberating. Nearly all of them are living a far healthier life than they were before.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
77. unlike a car accident or stroke, the onset of Alzheimers is very insidious...
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:15 AM
Jul 2014

it does require a different kind of advance planning, while the individual's cognitive function is still working.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
92. If you're going to have a stroke that hurts you mentally, you would have needed
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:49 PM
Jul 2014

to have finished your planning before the stroke.

So I don't understand the difference. The slow onset of Alzheimers, for most people, just gives them more of a warning to do what everyone should already have done anyway. Because the worst could happen tomorrow.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
96. With a clear, specific brain injury, such as a stroke or car accident
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:35 PM
Jul 2014

With a clear, specific brain injury, you were in one condition before and a different condition after. So it would be easier for a family member to demonstrate in court that a person had lost capacity. Or to set up, in advance, that if you become incapacitated, POA goes to so-and-so.

The insidious onset of Alzheimers means there is no clear date on when you lost capacity. From everybody I know who has dealt with it, for years the parent was simply "difficult" to deal with, irrational, argumentative, paranoid. By that time, they will refuse to give POA to anybody and you need to prove in court.

So the earlier you know that you have Alheimers, the better able you are to make a plan for it before you are in the early stages, although I don't know how you determine when to turn the reins over to somebody else.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
98. We set up powers of attorney for my mother long before she had any symptoms.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:51 PM
Jul 2014

The best time to do a POA is when when everyone is clearheaded.

We didn't know my mother would ever get Alzheimers -- but we knew as she grew older something could happen, and she didn't have a spouse to make any decisions. Now, more than ten years after Mom signed it, I'm finally starting to use it.

If you don't have a spouse, arranging for someone to have your POA is important whether you are going to have Alzheimers or not. It would only go into effect if you become incapacitated, by whatever terms you put in the power of attorney.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
99. agreed.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:55 PM
Jul 2014

"It would only go into effect if you become incapacitated, by whatever terms you put in the power of attorney."

This is what I see as the crux of the challenge of Alzheimers; how do you define incapacitated?

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
101. If you trust the person you give it to, as both my mother and mother-in-law did,
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:59 PM
Jul 2014

you use language that gives discretion to the person with the POA.

kiranon

(1,727 posts)
53. Thank you for writing your experience with this
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:57 PM
Jul 2014

horrible disease. Am very sorry for your losses. I've known many others whose significant others have had ALZ - it is unbelievably hard on those who try to care for their loved ones. May none of us ever have to go there although many of us may be a patient, a caregiver or both.

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
58. That is one of the saddest stories I have ever read.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:57 AM
Jul 2014

Last edited Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:16 PM - Edit history (1)

So many family members affected so drastically.
Having to live through the tragedy of your father's death, knowing that he had suffered so badly in his care for his wife.

Although it is common for Alzheimer's patients to act bizarrely and antagonistically, that is not always the case. Some just become sort of lost and unable to understand what is happening and then they have fears and anxiety.

Of course, there is the "sundown effect", wherein they become agitated and need extra care at night.

This all likely happened to you and your family within in the last few years, as you indicate that your mother is still alive.
I sincerely hope you and your family can find peace as you and she go through the final stages of her disease.

WCLinolVir

(951 posts)
84. So true. What an amazing post. Thank you. Relatives are the first to notice changes.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:48 AM
Jul 2014

And unfortunately we tend to ascribe them to getting older, when in fact it could be many things, such as AD, dementia, cancer, malnutrition, etc.. Don't assume and don't ever let a doctor talk you out of a full neuro evaluation because he thinks it's just aging.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
125. I've lost TWO fathers to Alzheimer's
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 09:00 AM
Jul 2014

My adopted father died from it almost twenty years ago, and my biological father (who I've always been close to) is in the mid-stages currently.

I know what you're going through, "it sucks" hardly does it justice.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
56. There actually is preventative treatment
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:09 AM
Jul 2014

but its not patentable, therefore doesn't make the mainstream.

You can download a book here for free. http://www.hdfoster.com/publications
However, if you do, and feel inclined to make a donation to Dr Foster's legacy. He was a wonderful kind man, I was lucky to have met him a couple of times.

This thing about the eyes, my father developed dementia at an early age, even before he turned 60. I remember him always complaining of "floaters" in his field of vision. I wish I had read Dr Foster's book years ago. Sigh.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
57. Floaters are common. It doesn't sound like they're connected to the things that are
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:28 AM
Jul 2014

observed in the eyes of future Alzheimers patients.

Coventina

(27,116 posts)
68. I have a 50 percent chance of getting early onset dementia.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:20 AM
Jul 2014

I am going in to the Mayo Clinic TOMORROW to get my blood drawn to find out if my mother passed that gene to me, or if I got the healthy gene from my father.
She died of dementia at age 62 after a decade of hell.

So, yeah, I want to know if I carry the gene, which at this point means I WILL DIE THE SAME WAY! (Unless a medical breakthrough happens very soon).

If I carry the gene, I have about 5-10 good years left (the genetic test was just developed).
I NEED to know, because I want to spend those 5 years the best possible way before I lose my mind.

There are things my husband needs to plan for, after I'm insane and then die.

Life choices to be made about jobs, finances, insurance, long-term care, etc.

Beyond that, there are things on my "bucket list" that I might need to do now, instead of during "retirement" that I may never have.

Personal issues that I want to resolve. Personal goals I want to meet.

Knowledge is power.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
93. But any of us could die tomorrow. So shouldn't people do the proper planning just in case,
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:54 PM
Jul 2014

whether they have the gene or not? And live life the best possible way, no matter what?

The best of luck to you on the blood test Coventina?

Coventina

(27,116 posts)
95. Agreed on that. Yes, I believe in proper planning.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:35 PM
Jul 2014

And yes, life should always be lived in the best possible way.

Too much is left to "someday" which never comes.

Thanks for the well-wishes.

After the blood is drawn tomorrow I'm supposed to get the result in 6-8 weeks.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
100. I didn't mean to use that stupid question mark.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:57 PM
Jul 2014

It will be a long 6 - 8 weeks. Thoughts and prayers, Coventina.

Coventina

(27,116 posts)
106. I figured that was the case.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 03:27 PM
Jul 2014


It will be a long wait. I am very fortunate in that I have a pretty good support network to rely upon.

Thanks!!!!

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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
116. Fortunately, Obamacare means your health insurance can't base your rate on that.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 07:46 PM
Jul 2014

Just on your age and smoking status.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
117. In 10 years, we'll see if that's still the case.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 07:49 PM
Jul 2014

There's a lot of special interest money to be spent on "tweaking" the ACA, and just because it's law, doesn't mean they'll stop.

As far as life insurance goes, I'd be a little surprised if they haven't started doing it already.

SharonAnn

(13,772 posts)
119. It allows you to prepare for it. Get your affairs in order, set up things to protect your family,
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 08:24 PM
Jul 2014

set up things to protect your family's finances.

Sad and depressing though it may be, I'd rather know what's likely coming and get my affairs in order.

For example, you might focus on paying off your house, or decide to sell it and move to a smaller place now to save money. You might decide to take early retirement so that you can spend quality time with your family now since you might not be able to do so in the future.

You might not assume that you'll be able to take care of your family in the future and might want to change things to put them in a better position to deal with it.

For those of us who have some responsibilities for others, we would want to know. And we would probably make some changes in our life.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
121. I think everybody should always be preparing for the fact that
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:18 PM
Jul 2014

we could have a stroke or get hit by a car tomorrow. And live their life that way.

No one should assume they're going to live till 80 or whatever. Or even another year.

But maybe this is because I had my first life-threatening event when I was in my twenties, and have had more than one since then.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. There are currently some medications available to slow the progress of Alzheimer's.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 09:57 PM
Jul 2014

Also, this may be another way of testing for Alzheimer's they have not had before. This may lead to better preventive medication

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
79. You missed the key statement...
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:24 AM
Jul 2014
treat the symptoms of Alzheimer's disease
and anyone who is involved with AD research knows that the current drugs have bad side affects and don't really do a good job at abating the symptoms and any benefit from these drugs is short lived.

From the ALZ link
Researchers are looking for new ways to treat Alzheimer's. Current drugs help mask the symptoms of Alzheimer's, but do not treat the underlying disease. A breakthrough Alzheimer's drug would treat the underlying disease and stop or delay the cell damage that eventually leads to the worsening of symptoms. There are several promising drugs in development and testing, but we need more volunteers to complete clinical trials of those drugs and increased federal funding of research to ensure that fresh ideas continue to fill the pipeline.


on edit: there is nothing on the ALZ website that contradicts what I have said.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
80. For myself ANY delay in loss of memory, etc is a good thing
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:30 AM
Jul 2014

When you speak of side affects of the drugs, the affects of Alzheimer's is not very pretty either. Somewhere I know better tests would be good and the realization of conditions in those with demitia is further than it was in the 80's.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
85. There are several issues at play...
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:49 AM
Jul 2014

most people don't stay on the drugs because of the side effects or they don't work after a short time. Very little benefit with the current drugs. Another problem is the cost of those drugs with little or no benefit.

At least the universities and pharmaceutical companies are looking at the mechanisms of AD and trying to come up with drugs to stop the progression. Unfortunately this takes time and one company, Lily, had to stop their clinical trials with their BACE 1 inhibitor because of liver damage. Another issue is the politics of AD research. Currently there is not enough research being done on the tau protein.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
87. I was very unhappy in the 80's when funding was cut for AD research and thought
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:55 AM
Jul 2014

About the funding getting cut by Reagan who later would be determined to also have AD. It is a sad condition, you lose your loved one day by day, a very long funeral and days 36 hours long.

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Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
27. Any progress in this condition would be great, it is so sad. Hopefully more research
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:45 PM
Jul 2014

In the future will get a handle on Alzheimer's but early detection would be beneficial

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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
115. Early detection won't change the course of the disease, not with the drugs
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 07:45 PM
Jul 2014

we have now. So how is early detection beneficial?

Aricept and the other drugs only work to reduce symptoms, so if you're not having symptoms yet, you don't need it. Early detection doesn't give any physical advantage.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
118. In the 80's the answer was by the process of elimination. Now they are seeing different things
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 08:04 PM
Jul 2014

which seems to occur with those with Alzheimer's. The sure diagnosis was by biopsy which was not a good idea or after death. Now research has gotten further and perhaps research for a new medication just may help others in the future. It was some years back there seemed to be a relationship with the smell test. My father said he had problems with double vision so there just maybe some progress here.

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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
47. Aricept helps with symptoms but does nothing to slow the progression of the disease.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:29 PM
Jul 2014

And doctors would not give it before symptoms occur because its effects wear off after time.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/alzheimers-disease/in-depth/alzheimers/art-20048103

From the Mayo Clinic:

Alzheimer's drugs offer one strategy to help manage memory loss, thinking and reasoning problems, and day-to-day function. Unfortunately, Alzheimer's drugs don't work for everyone, and they can't cure the disease or stop its progression. Over time, their effects wear off.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
50. If you talk to the caregivers of people on Aricept, they stated they feel the drug just drags it on
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:33 PM
Jul 2014

forever, instead of a "natural" progression. They (several families) were actually livid that their parent was on that medication. (I used to work at a geriatric clinic.)

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
46. No there aren't. Not yet. All the available drugs do is help with some symptoms,
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:27 PM
Jul 2014

in some of the people who take them. And the effects wear off over time.

So if a person had no symptoms, no doctor would prescribe these medications for them.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/alzheimers-disease/in-depth/alzheimers/art-20048103

From the Mayo Clinic:

Alzheimer's drugs offer one strategy to help manage memory loss, thinking and reasoning problems, and day-to-day function. Unfortunately, Alzheimer's drugs don't work for everyone, and they can't cure the disease or stop its progression. Over time, their effects wear off.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
16. And another headline from last week
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:28 PM
Jul 2014

New Evidence that Blood Clots Play a Role in Alzheimer’s Disease

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/news_and_events/news_articles/alzheimers_amyloid_fibrin.htm

"Growing evidence points to a connection between Alzheimer’s disease and poor blood flow to the brain. Signs that a stroke has occurred are often found in the brains of Alzheimer’s patients. Meanwhile, there is evidence that stroke and Alzheimer’s disease share similar risk factors, including high blood pressure and atherosclerosis (hardening of the arteries).

A new study strengthens this connection by showing that beta-amyloid – the protein fragment that plays a defining role in Alzheimer’s – can stimulate the formation of resilient blood clots. The study also found that an anti-clotting drug (anticoagulant) had beneficial effects in a mouse model of Alzheimer’s disease.

Although used in select patients at risk for stroke, anticoagulants carry a risk of hemorrhage and are not considered an option for treating Alzheimer’s disease. But further research to identify how beta-amyloid stimulates blood clotting could lead to the development of more specific drugs that do not interfere with normal clotting, says Sidney Strickland, Ph.D., the study’s senior author and head of the laboratory of neurobiology and genetics at the Rockefeller University in New York City."

My mother, her mother and her mother all developed Alzheimer's (no one can say for certain of my mom's grandmother's diagnosis but she said she looked just like her mother did at about the same age and progression of the disease.

I do want to know.

Hell, I'm 58 and would like to know that in 10-20 years I'll have the disease.

Add another half decade of slowly declining cognitive decline and I'd be mid 70s-mid 80s when there wasn't any more 'greiner3' left.

Knowing this would give me time to make sure I'd have my affairs straightened out and have fun until I no longer could.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
49. But anyone could have a stroke or a terrible accident at any time -- so everybody
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:33 PM
Jul 2014

should have their "affairs straightened out."

Shoonra

(521 posts)
19. Let's not get too excited
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:34 PM
Jul 2014

This report mentions an experiment that included only 40 people - in which these eye spots were found consistently in people who ALREADY HAD Alzheimer's. No indication that it can actual PREDICT Alzheimers in people who don't yet have it. Possibly these eyespots form as a result of Alzheimers, so the spot follow, not precede, the onset of the disease.

So far, very few reliable predictors. One fact remains clear: As the other causes of death in old age - heart disease, cancer, TB, etc. - are pushed back, we are left with evidence that the brain itself cannot run forever and will show serious wear and tear, although possibly at an advanced age that, previously, most people did not reach.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
40. "excpected to increase dramatically in the decades ahead"
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:58 PM
Jul 2014

along with cancer and diabetes. It seems like research may be better spent on finding the causes and cures for these diseases than detecting them. Of course there is the willful denial about the part processed, GMO, fat-laden, salt and sugar-laden "food" and environmental pollution plays in these diseases. God forbid we reduced corporate profits to save millions of lives or maybe even humanity. Pfft.

Big ag and processed "food" companies feed us garbage, big oil and coal pollute with impunity destroying our air and water, and big pharma is there to sell us drugs once the garbage and pollution makes us sick.

What a fucking racket the corprats have going against the population.

Heywood J

(2,515 posts)
63. Hate to get in the way of catharsis, but
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 08:46 AM
Jul 2014

people are also living far longer than before and there are far more of us than there were a few decades ago. The air and water were so polluted that lakes and rivers caught fire, repeatedly, and the skies were orange. There were drums of toxic waste under schools and backyards, and lead in gasoline and paint everywhere. Workers were exposed to every hazard imaginable on the job (think blacklung and disposing of solvents by pouring them onto the ground). Pregnant women were given drugs with all manner of sad results.

We need to ask ourselves the question of why Alzheimer's and other diseases are only now "increasing dramatically". What's changed recently vs. back then? What's the factor that might be causing such large numbers?

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
64. Yes why the dramatic increases now?
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 08:49 AM
Jul 2014

Good point:

"We need to ask ourselves the question of why Alzheimer's and other diseases are only now "increasing dramatically". What's changed recently vs. back then? What's the factor that might be causing such large numbers?"

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
82. Shakespeare's play King Lear is about a guy with Alzheimer's who was king.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:35 AM
Jul 2014

When he wrote it, the average lifespan in England was 42 years. Today the UK life expectancy is 81.5, double that of the Elizabethan era.

Omaha Steve

(99,628 posts)
62. Treatments for Alzheimer's disease (http://www.alz.org/)
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 06:19 AM
Jul 2014


http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_treatments.asp

Currently, there is no cure for Alzheimer's. But drug and non-drug treatments may help with both cognitive and behavioral symptoms.

Researchers are looking for new treatments to alter the course of the disease and improve the quality of life for people with dementia.

In this section:

Medications for Memory Loss
Treatments for Behavioral Changes of Alzheimer's
Treatments for Sleep Changes
Alternative Treatments for Alzheimer's
Questions for Your Doctor
Treatment Horizon
Clinical Trials

WCLinolVir

(951 posts)
83. Some herbs have shown some efficacy at reducing brain plaques, improving cognition/memory.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:41 AM
Jul 2014

I am not posting links.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
120. Wish you would......sigh.....
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:14 PM
Jul 2014
but I understand and know the herb police are lurking
You peaked my interest I will check it out with a search

WCLinolVir

(951 posts)
86. Relative are first to notice subtle changes. Don't dismiss them.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:51 AM
Jul 2014

And unfortunately we tend to ascribe them to getting older, when in fact it could be many things, such as AD, dementia, cancer, malnutrition, etc.. Don't assume and don't ever let a doctor talk you out of a full neuro evaluation because he thinks it's just aging.
My research on this, AD and dementia, said that with early diagnosis you can forestall more severe symptoms for up to 5 years. I will take that.

Vinca

(50,270 posts)
88. If I knew ahead of time I had Alzheimer's, I'd plan my suicide.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:04 PM
Jul 2014

It's not the sweet old lady on television wandering through ornamental plants with her daughter. If you've seen the end stages of Alzheimer's you'll never forget it. And you wouldn't be afraid to plan your own demise if you were diagnosed with it.

Omaha Steve

(99,628 posts)
89. The first thing a doctor will tell a couple going through this....
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:23 PM
Jul 2014

Is remove all guns and narcotics out of the house. You already know why.

Coventina

(27,116 posts)
90. Already done over here. After our experience with our mother,
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:25 PM
Jul 2014

my siblings and I have a murder/suicide pact.

We are NOT going through it again.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
108. knowing about any illness causes some level of panic
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 03:50 PM
Jul 2014

but that doesn't mean that the knowledge isn't necessary, be it alzheimers/hiv/cancer

dembotoz

(16,803 posts)
122. i would want to know
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:45 PM
Jul 2014

so that i could leave on my terms

would i commit suicide
oh hell yes.

i would not be immediate
it would be when the telltale symptoms started to appear.

My aunt has it and it is getting worse
do not think i would want to put my family thru that.
do not think i would want to go thru that

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
126. There is a lot to learn about Alzheimer's, it is an experience one tends to feel deeply about.
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 09:22 AM
Jul 2014

I watched my father and it is hard to see them leave part by part. One of the things I learned is the person doesn't usually realize where and what is happening around them because it would really be difficult for them. I had to separate the father, Dad, friend and now this is who I provided care.

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