Breaking: Fresh Israel-Gaza Ceasefire agreed to in Egypt; to take effect 0400 GMT Friday

[flpoljunkie]

Source: BBC News

Israel-Gaza ceasefire deal 'reached'

A comprehensive ceasefire agreement has been reached between Israel and Gaza, an Israeli official has told the BBC.

The ceasefire is due to take effect on Friday at 06:00 local time (04:00 GMT).

Earlier, Palestinian militants fired three mortars from Gaza at Israel during a brief humanitarian ceasefire, Israeli security forces say.

Some 227 Palestinians have died since the current crisis began on 8 July. Militant rockets have killed one Israeli.

Israel launched its military operation on 8 July with the stated objective of halting Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel.

However, the United Nations says most of those killed in Gaza have been civilians.

Israel accuses Hamas of hiding its military infrastructure within the civilian population.

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28344637

[Orrex]

1. Interesting that the article cites the 3 ineffectual mortars fired at Israel

Rather than the Palestinian children slain on the beach by the Israeli navy.

[yeoman6987]

2. Hopefully Hamas keeps the promise

This time so that Israel won't have to protect itself like yesterday.

[Orrex]

3. LOL. Sure.

Killing those kids is a great way to keep Israel safe.

[yeoman6987]

4. It seems to have caused another cease fire

Israel keeps trying, Hamas will do what?

[Orrex]

6. Israel keeps trying to do what? Kill 200 civilians?

No matter what Hamas does, it's cast as the villain. No matter what Israel does, it's cast as the victim.

IDF kills 200 civilians? It's Hamas' fault, obviously.
Israel navy kills Palestinian children? It's Hamas' fault, obviously.

[rdking647]

7. hamas started it

like they always do
if you fire missiles you should expect retaliation

[Orrex]

20. And soon the world is blind.

Even if it were literally true, saying "Hamas started it" is a grossly simplistic reaction to a decades-long conflict. Even if "Hamas started it," does that mean Israel gets to kill as many Palestinian civilians as it wants with no fear of reprisal or censure? Must be nice.

If you fire missiles you should expect retaliation

And if the retaliation for those minimally-damaging rocket attacks is an overwhelming and disproportionate campaign of bombing civilians and civilian targets, you should expect retaliation for that as well.

Being the "first victim" doesn't grant you a blank check to respond with as much carnage as you can manage.

[bossy22]

26. Israel can manage alot more carnage if it wanted too

They show considerable restraint in their use of force. But we must realize that the IDFs primary goal is the protection of Israel. They will try to limit civilian casualties as much as possible but their primary goal is what is most important. This is as it should be. Any democratic government should put the protection of its own citizens ahead of others.

[Orrex]

34. Reality disagrees with you about their primary goal.

And their primary goal is secondary to the reality of their execution.

Israel can manage alot more carnage if it wanted too . They show considerable restraint in their use of force.

The fact that they're slightly less murderous than they could be is hardly commendable.

They will try to limit civilian casualties as much as possible but their primary goal is what is most important.

There is simply no evidence that this is true. ~200 dead civilians take little consolation in the lofty goals of their murderers.

[Chan790]

31. That's fine, but...

isn't the proper action, if you know well-enough they're hiding their launch sites in residential areas to be able to target those sites, to engage in police actions...ideally in cooperation with non-Hamas Palestinian authorities? Unilaterally only if necessary.

It's not just to Israel's advantage to arrest and take down Hamas, it's also to the advantage of the legitimate Palestinian Authority. Remember, it's the PA, headed by Abbas and controlled by Fatah, that has expressed desires to return to talks, talks that Hamas continues to subvert from occurring by launching offenses.

For a comparative, look to N. Ireland. It's not unlike the continuing efforts of the R-IRA (Real IRA) to undermine the Belfast Accord and disrupt the ongoing peace process...note that it's not the British Army that combat and police R-IRA. It's the Garda and/or PSNI, depending which side of the border they're on. The police. They're treated as terrorists and subject to law-enforcement. The R-IRA bomb buildings or shoot police...and the police investigate, make arrests and incarcerate. Such police actions are generally uncontroversial; everybody wants peace and order maintained, they want the people trying to return "the troubles" arrested regardless of which side they purport to represent. People have bought into the political process because the accord took militarism off the table for both sides...the people who continue to engage militarily, regardless of faction, are viewed as criminals rather than militants.

We need to work towards a "Belfast" for I/P before we can address the territorial issues or anything else. Terrorists and settlers need to be treated as what they are: criminals. If the PA or Hamas (since Hamas wants to be treated as a legitimate political entity, then they have responsibilities therein) won't arrest those who seek to disrupt the peace process, then there has been no progress. If Israel will not cede massive military response when small disruptive cells seek to derail the peace, then there has been no progress. If Israel is unwilling to arrest settlers seeking to provoke a response by stealing Palestinian lands, then there has been no progress. Policing, not militarism, is the solution in need.

[The Stranger]

105. Baby killers.

And it's not even denied.

[yeoman6987]

112. Your right Hamas are baby killers

They killed 3 Isreali teens a few weeks ago. Israeli are being so patient. I give them so much credit.

[ballyhoo]

5. Little people don't seem to matter so

much anymore. It's the security of empire. I could show you pictures, but to what end? The madness will never stop until Israel has the Pals dead or enslaved. I don't know how it will come but I have to believe we are on the eve of destruction.

[rdking647]

8. it wont stop until hams stops firing missles at civilians

hams started it. like they always do
i dont blame israel at all

if you shoot at my house im going to fire back until you are unable to shoot at me

[ballyhoo]

9. If you land on my street and slowly steal it, then

employ a bully to help you, you will become my enemy; and in the end I will do anything in my power to defeat you or, at least, die free instead of being enslaved by you. Capish? I support Palistine in word, money and deed; and will until they no longer exist or a friend to the North wipes out their enemy.

[IronGate]

11. You're wanting Israel wiped out?

As in destroyed?

[ballyhoo]

15. I want all countries who bomb little

children with sophisticated Navy vessels to atone for their actions. So does much of the world.

[IronGate]

16. You didn't answer my question,

are you advocating the destruction of Israel?
You know who else said Israel needs to be wiped off the map? Iran. Are you in agreement with Iran?

[ballyhoo]

19. I'm not here to answer your questions, particularly those

where you change the text of my answer to make the followup question(s) more provocative.

[IronGate]

22. You're the one who said this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014848130#post9

If you land on my street and slowly steal it, then

employ a bully to help you, you will become my enemy; and in the end I will do anything in my power to defeat you or, at least, die free instead of being enslaved by you. Capish? I support Palistine in word, money and deed; and will until they no longer exist or a friend to the North wipes out their enemy.

You said that, so it's safe to conclude that you want Israel wiped off the map?

[ballyhoo]

24. The antecedent to "wipes out the enemy" is

"friend", which sure isn't me.

[IronGate]

33. But you would support that "friend" wiping out Israel? nt.

[ballyhoo]

38. It would depend on what Israel

did to precipitate such action. If Isreal begins an ethnic cleansing then BRICS would have to convene and decide. I would closely follow the discussions.

[IronGate]

41. But Israel hasn't even come close to that,

but you said that you would support a friend from the North wiping out Israel.
So, how are we to interpret that?

[ballyhoo]

43. As you wish. Hasn't come close to

that? What? Who do you think is pushing the PALS from place to place and has been for decades? Israel is weeding them out bit by bit.

[IronGate]

48. And who do you think has said time and time again

that they will never accept an Israeli state? Why, that would be the terror org Hamas.
Who has said time and time again that they won't be satisfied until all the jews in Israel are driven into the sea and the Israeli state is destroyed? Why, that would be the terror org Hamas.
Who has constantly fired rocket into Israel? Why, that would be the terror org Hamas.
Who rejected the cease fire out of hand and continued to fire rockets into Israel despite Israel accepting the cease fire? Why, that would be the terror org Hamas.

Shall I keep going?

[ballyhoo]

51. Who did all that? The organization defending

the Palestinians from virtual end of freedom and probably life.

[IronGate]

57. This is good.

The org. defending Palestine?
The same terror org that hides among civilians?
The same terror org that sets up launching positions in civilian areas?
The same terror org that uses civilians as human shields?
The same terror org that uses dead civilians for propaganda purposes?

Those are your heroes?

[ballyhoo]

60. And yours is the organization that shoots

little kids on the beach with a Navy vessel designed to take down buildings. I'll suppress any use of moronic icons. You're the one who used the word "heroes" not me--

[IronGate]

64. Once again,

those 4 youths would still be alive if the terror org Hamas had accepted the cease fire like Israel did.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

76. So cause Hamas didn't accept the cease fire

that means the 4 youths became valid targets to fire at?

[IronGate]

78. Do you have proof that those 4 youths were the target?

No, you don't
Here's the likely scenario:
Israel received intelligence that the terror org Hamas was firing rockets at Israel from that area and targeted the area, those youths just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The terror org Hamas is well known for using civilian areas to set up firing positions for their rockets, also using civilians as human shields.

The terror org Hamas are responsible for those youths deaths by not accepting the cease fire and continuing to fire into Israel, even after Israel honored the cease fire by suspending combat ops.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

87. So Israel fired at the area blindly then?

You can't really blame a group for something another group does even if they are enemies


If the two of us are enemies and i refuse to agree to a cease fire, its not my fault if you heard some information stating I'm in a house and you fire at it killing the people living there(after i had already left). The one who pulled the trigger was you and i don't think many would buy your reasoning of 'but i was told BBW was there so its his fault for not wanting to be on peaceful terms with me'

[freshwest]

115. That was answered by another poster's link. Thus Hamas may be acting as a proxy in an old game:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-mashaal-to-make-diplomatic-trip-to-moscow/

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Russia-to-continue-ties-with-Hamas

And what better way to prove their power or nerve than this, although it seems quite insane:

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/113466694

Such acts focus the world's attention on the conflict. Or Hamas' ability to use PR.

At one time I thought the Palestinians were being sacrificed for Saudi interests, but maybe was mistaken. Arab nations in the region have a mixed record of building peace there.

I believe the I/P conflict is benefitting other parties never mentioned.

Some Israelis have said they resent Americans and others attempting to speak for them. IIRC the writer said 'It's our blood and bodies being used for their ambitions.'

The land dispute goes back the Ottoman empire, which the ISIS and others have long dreamed of restoring. It's not as simple as media would have us believe, nor do we have a balanced view coming from a western prepective. The roots of this was centuries before the USA was created.

Russia is the 'friend to the north' mentioned, although the eventual result of their link has been debunked:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014847529#post4

That was in reply to this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014847529#post1

All links, save my reply, are from the same DUer who posted the links at the beginning of my post. Some are reputable sources.

[bossy22]

18. what about groups who fire rockets at civilians

Or is that okay in your mind. Or is it okay as long as those "rich world controlling Jews" are killed


And again, those kids are not the intended target but sad collateral damage

[ballyhoo]

21. Yes, but not for that reason. Palistine perceives it is on its

last legs, and they should do anything to prevent losing their freedom to their arch enemy. Those kids absolutely WERE the intended target. Do you really think that Navy ship did not know what they were doing? Who they were killing? Without the condemnation of so many countries Israel would have simply shrugged it off.

[IronGate]

23. You have any proof those youths were the intended target? nt.

[ballyhoo]

27. Is this a trial? I have my beliefs based

on knowledge of the shooter, the proximate cause of the shooting, and the actions of the children from when they were spotted until they were killed.

[IronGate]

36. IOW, you have no proof?

Why not just say that?

Fact: Israel received reports that there were rockets being launched at Israel from that vicinity.
Fact: The terror org, Hamas, is well known for hiding their launching positions among civilians.
Fact: Those 4 youths, while tragic, were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Fact: If the terror org, Hamas, had accepted the cease fire in the first place, those youths would still be alive.
Fact: The terror org, Hamas, is wholly responsible for those youths deaths.

[ballyhoo]

42. Baloney. These are simply fabricated reports by

the shooter to ameliorate their actions. Do YOU have absolute proof that any of these facts happened? I want word-for-word commands; I want pictures taken by the naval vessel; I want diagrams showing exact locations of the intended strike; I want all verifiable facts to prove everything you said.

[IronGate]

44. And I want the same from you, but so far.............

bupkus.

[lexx21]

67. Ok ballyhoo, you really have enjoyed the kool aid a bit too much here....

By all of your statements you are an anti semite. Just go ahead and say it and get it over with.

For one thing, the jews didn't just "land on their street". If you knew anything of history they have been there for a few thousand years so that is hardly "just landing".

Secondly, there is a faction within Palestine that is just itching to kill jews. It's just like there is a faction in Ireland that is itching to kill Brits. They are called radicals and should be put down.

Third, and I hate to say this so bluntly, but you are totally delusional.

[ballyhoo]

69. Ah,now I'm an anti-semite...

I wondered which of you would come up with this. I am 1/3 rd Jewish, slick. You're the one whose drunk the kool aid. Take your racist insults somewhere else.

[IronGate]

71. Everything you've said here so far would leave one to believe that. nt.

And the 1/3 Jewish? That's like a racist saying their best friends are AA's.

[ballyhoo]

73. My best friends "are" AA's. Do you have something

against AA's? Ah, pot calling kettle black, eh? What you believe is not my concern. My concern is the killing of children knowingly and wantonly by the Israeli Navy, Hamas's notice of offer of ceasefire notwithstanding.

[IronGate]

77. How do you know I'm not a black person?

Nice try at labeling me but, it's an epic fail.



Once again, do you have any proof, other than your beliefs, that the Israeli Navy "knowingly and wantonly" targeted those 4 youths?

BTW, I don't for one second, believe your claims.

[ballyhoo]

80. Good. I think not--

[IronGate]

98. You think not what?

I've never said what my race is, so how do you know?
You, OTOH, have made it quite clear that you would like to see Israel wiped off by a neighbor to the north.

[lexx21]

72. Sorry "slick"...

that is not being racist. And I'm sorry to say, but all of your statements lead up to my surmising that you are in fact anti semitic. If you can't see the slant of what you yourself write.......

I'm 100% Irish and have no wish to see ANYONE killed by the IRA or the Brits and trust me, the Irish have been treated like pure dog shit over the centuries by England. After all they have done to my people I do not hate them. I do not wish to see them pushed into the sea. I do not want to see any of them hurt. That is the difference here between you and myself. You are advocating the destruction of Israel.

[ballyhoo]

75. I am advocating help for the Palistinians if Israel

keeps up their belligerence. What happens should that help be forthcoming is not up to me. Of course I have a side. I do not want innocent people to die, but if the administration of Israel were changed I would be glad. There is one man responsible for the condition of Israel right now. As far as your tale of the Irish, there are three monster countries in the world right now, those that destroy and steal just because they can. I am advocating the destruction of nothing.

[IronGate]

40. You have first hand knowledge of the Israeli commander who gave the order to fire?

Now I know you're not posting honestly.

[rdking647]

96. you have your beliefs based on a hatred for israel

no actual facts

[bossy22]

29. do you have any proof?

Israelis hold you themselves in the highest regards as it pertains to morality and civilized conduct. They israeli citizenship would not accept their military twrgetting civilians on purpose

[ballyhoo]

45. I believe that. But the ruler will have his way.

[IronGate]

53. So, IOW, you have no proof?

Just your "beliefs"?

[ballyhoo]

55. I have all the proof I need over years

of watching the actions of the respective adversaries.

[IronGate]

61. You mean like the terror org Hamas

constantly firing rockets into Israel?

[ballyhoo]

63. No, the terror organization Israel firing

sophisticated rockets I paid for at a people they have run out of their own country. This conversation is over.

[IronGate]

65. Missiles that Israel would never have fired if not for

the terror org Hamas firing rockets into Israel, that is an established fact.

[HERVEPA]

56. Sorry, you're full of shit

No way did or would Israel target those boys.

[ballyhoo]

66. Oh, an accident now?........

Right.

[IronGate]

70. Do you have any proof, other than your beliefs, that this wasn't an accident? nt.

[HERVEPA]

88. I'll just take a really wild guess here

that your anti-Jewish, even though some of your best friends are Jewish.
Bombing four kids openly on purpose makes absolutely no sense in any universe.

[bossy22]

17. so israel is trying to enslave palastinians?

First I heard of that one.

[ballyhoo]

32. I believe that--

[yeoman6987]

39. After the United States

I support Israel. That goodness the United States does to. Israel must not be defeated ever!!!!!

[Chan790]

35. Disproportionate response is illegal.

If I shoot at your house and you respond with overwhelming force, the state police are going to arrest you. You're the bigger criminal there. Self-defense is limited to reasonable response. You can't mow down a mall food-court full of people with an uzi because somebody pulled a knife on you.

[Orrex]

47. Thank you

I have attempted to make that point again and again and again, and in each case the response has boiled down to "Hamas started it."

Thank you for articulating it so plainly.

[bossy22]

13. which was not the intended target

Israel didn't intentially target those civilians...that's the difference. Hamas is intentionally targeting civilians and the only reason why more Israelis haven't died is that the rockets aren't accurate at all.

[Orrex]

25. Not much a difference to the families of hte dead children, I suspect.

Especially not when Israel maintains its unchanging policy of "it's all Hamas' fault."

Hamas is intentionally targeting civilians and the only reason why more Israelis haven't died is that the rockets aren't accurate at all.

I'm curious about how you can declare that Hamas is targeting civilians if their rockets can't really be targeted. Further, Israel is certainly bombing civilian targets with much greater accuracy and lethality, and I'd say that the deadly consequences outweigh deadly intentions.

[IronGate]

37. It is the fault of the terror org, Hamas.

If the terror org. Hamas had accepted the cease fire, then those 4 youths would still be alive.
True or False?

[Orrex]

46. As always, Israel is painted as the victim

If the terror org. Hamas had accepted the cease fire, then those 4 youths would still be alive.

Hamas is not the proximate cause of their death, and those four are among the 200+ deaths for which Israel is directly responsible and for which it must be held accountable. Israel never ever admits responsbility for its actions no matter how murderous or destructive.

Israel typically issues a series of burdensome demands in its ceasefires while giving up nothing in return. They simply are not negotiating in good faith, not least because they refuse to halt their encroaching settlements in Gaza nor lift the crushing blockade against Palestinian access to food, water, medicine, building supplies and legitimate commerce.

Israel is acting like a strong-arm extortionist trying to wring a series of assymetrical concessions from a battered, bullied victim.

[ballyhoo]

49. Pure speculation........

[IronGate]

50. Pure speculation?

How so?
Yes or no.
If the terror org Hamas had accepted the cease fire, like Israel did, would those 4 youths still be alive?
It's really a simple question.

[ballyhoo]

52. IMO, they'd still be dead. There is your answer.

[IronGate]

54. Why would they still be dead?

Israel withheld it's fire for 6 hours despite the terror org Hamas continually firing rockets into Israel.
If the terror org Hamas had just accepted the cease fire, then Israel wouldn't have had any reports of rocket fire from that area, hence, those 4 youths would still be alive.

[ballyhoo]

58. I don't believe that--That ship would have

been in position and would have fired. That's what I believe. This is getting nowhere. You have your biases and I have mine. It will be over this year.

[IronGate]

59. It will be over this year?

Well, you've finally got something right, it will be over with the destruction of the terror org Hamas and good fucking riddance.

[ballyhoo]

62. Just the opposite.

[IronGate]

68. So, you do want Israel wiped off the map.

[Fozzledick]

74. Hamas broke the cease fire, as they always do.

[Orrex]

81. Then by all means, let's kill 200 civilians

[Fozzledick]

84. Hamas keeps trying to, but Iron Dome works better than human shields.

[Orrex]

94. One would hope that the state claiming moral authority would act with morality

Instead of deliberately bombing civilian sites with high-accuracy airstrikes while claiming to be the victim.


Look, I'm not interested in sniping with you. I understand that Israel can do no wrong in your view and is justified in any action it takes as long as it can claim "self-defense."

You and others are happy to overlook the hundreds of innocent Palestinians killed by an overwhelming military power. Why?

[Fozzledick]

100. Um, you're the one making excuses for Hamas' policy of deliberately creating civilian casualties

and falsely accusing Israel of targeting civilians. Why indeed?

[Orrex]

102. You're identifying the alleged targeting of civilans as worse than the actual bombing of civilians

I don't care if Israel claims not to be targeting civilians, because they are killing civilians regardless. Why do you find that morally acceptable?

And can you provide a link citing Hamas' actual policy of deliberately causing civilian casualties, or are you simply parroting propaganda?

[Fozzledick]

104. Here's a couple that just happen to be handy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113468887

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113469388

[Orrex]

107. The first is from a site called "idfblog." Does that seem like an objective source to you?

I can't view the video from here, but I suspect that a 16-second soundbyte, hand-selected by "idfblog.com" isn't an entirely representative summary of Hamas policy.

The second is a speculative WaPo article.


So I'll ask again: do you have an actual citation of actual Hamas policy to cause actual civilian casualties?

Even if that were true, do you feel that Hamas policy gives Israel carte blanche to kill and destroy wherever it wants to?

It has been claimed repeatedly that Israel is acting with restraint. I suppose they are, in the same way that a guy with a baseball bat shows restraint by hitting you in the head ten times instead of eleven.

[Fozzledick]

108. You can find it yourself if you want to.

I've wasted enough time belaboring the obvious.

[Orrex]

109. Requiring someone else to document your claims for you is a bullshit tactic

If you're so confident in your assessment of Hamas policy, then surely you can document that policy easily.

I mean, to do otherwise would be to whip up propaganda out of thin air, and I'm sure that you wouldn't do something like that.

[Fozzledick]

110. This has been hashed over endlessly in I/P.

Demanding documentation for something that's open public knowledge is a bullshit tactic.

[Orrex]

113. This isn't I/P

"Public knowledge" doesn't trump reality. It's "public knowledge" that Israel "shows restraint" and "minimizes civilian" casualties, too.

If you make the claim here, you should be ready to document the claim. A pair of links to dubious source material previously cited in I/P doesn't count as documentation.

[Fozzledick]

116. I've given you enough for any reasonable person. Now you're just playing games.

[Orrex]

117. You've multiply restated your opinion

I asked for a citation and you failed to provide one.

Who's playing games?

[Orrex]

90. I hope so. But my intent...

was to comment on the media's tendency to highlight violent actions by Hamas, framing them as truce-breaking aggression, while downplaying Israel's violence as acts of wholly justified self-defense.

Still, I would love for the ceasefire to succeed.

[Orrex]

114. I'm gratified to hear this.

I've caught MSM snippets including NPR which appears to have adopted a sort of "shame on both sides" attitude.

Glad to hear that other outlets are tacking a different stance.

[bemildred]

10. The headline is now "Israel-Gaza ceasefire deal denied" nt

[ballyhoo]

12. Here is the URL, bemildred...

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Report-Hamas-spells-out-terms-for-ceasefire-including-prayer-access-to-Al-Aqsa-363139

[bemildred]

14. I'm talking about the BBC URL at the top.

This is LBN, the subject line is supposed to match the URL.

[ballyhoo]

28. I see that. I don't understand how that happened.

ddddddddddd

[bemildred]

30. Mosty likely, they changed it without changing the URL. nt

[bemildred]

83. It seems very up in the air.

There are several wannabe intermediaries, for one thing, and the shooting has resumed for another. I do think there is a cease-fire and/or truce coming, but not yet. I think it likely that the UNSC will weigh in, but it could take some time, or not.

[bemildred]

91. Oh yes, they are talking about it, negotiating.

Just saying there are competing narratives about what is going on, and until Hamas and Israel are on the same page about it, I don't expect the shooting will stop, probably not entirely even then, it may take a while for things to settle down. Although both sides did show some control by observing the short cease-fire.

[The Magistrate]

89. The Leverage, Sir, Seems To Be Threat Of Ground Invasion

This is something I expect Hamas would want to avoid; the wrecking of facilities and stores would be far more thorough than the air attacks can manage.

[bemildred]

92. Reason will only take you so far with these things, Sir. nt

[The Magistrate]

93. True, My Friend

Hence the old saw:

"All men of reason are men of violence at heart."

[bemildred]

99. It seems like a dead end all around, Sir.

And most of the participants more or less nuts. So I am reluctant to predict what they might choose to do next. But it does seem to be the case that pressure for this folly to end is building on both sides, and that the loons on both sides are outraged about that. But both sides did manage to observe the short cease-fire, as I mentioned to the other poster, and that is a good sign.

[libodem]

85. We need a smilie

That is praying. I'd fill the page with them.

What? If there is a God and Goddess they will hear secular humanist pleading from earth.

[rdking647]

101. during the cease fire hamas fired at least 3 mortars at israel

immediately after the cease fire ended hamas started shooting at civilians again with their missiles

and yet some here expect israel to just sit back and take it



i wouldnt blame israel if the sent tanks in to end teh hamas threat once and for all

[rdking647]

103. the un found 20 rockets hidden in a vacant school in gaza

just more proof that hamas actually likes getting their people killed ,for the propaganda value

[Tetris_Iguana]

106. I'll believe it when it happens.

This just to give Israel some breathing room after slaughtering those kids.

My money is on the ceasefire being over by Monday.

[Rhinodawg]

111. Hudna

eom

[Babel_17]

118. My thanks to those tireless people who work to arrange such ceasefires

Thank you for never giving up!