SBU intercepts phone conversations of separatists admitting downing a civilian plane

[ForgoTheConsequence]

Source: Kyiv Post

Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was allegedly shot down by a group of Russian-backed Cossack militants near the village of Chornukhine, Luhansk Oblast, some 80 kilometers north-west of Donetsk, according to recordings of intercepted phone calls between Russian military intelligence officers and members of terrorist groups, released by the country’s security agency (SBU).


Igor Bezler: We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast).

Vasili Geranin: Pilots. Where are the pilots?

IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.

VG: How many minutes ago?

IB: About 30 minutes ago.

SBU comment: After examining the site of the plane the terrorists come to the conclusion that they have shot down a civilian plane. The next part of the conversation took place about 40 minutes later.

“Major”: These are Chernukhin folks who shot down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.

“Grek”: Yes, Major.

"Major": The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first “200” (code word for dead person). We have found the first “200”. A Civilian.

“Greek”: Well, what do you have there?

“Major”: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft.

“Greek”: Are many people there?

“Major”: Holy sh__t! The debris fell right into the yards (of homes).

“Greek”: What kind of aircraft?

“Major”: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.

“Greek”: Is there anything left of the weapon?

“Major”: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.

“Greek”: Are there documents?

“Major”: Yes, of one Indonesian student. From a university in Thompson.

Militant: Regarding the plane shot down in the area of Snizhne-Torez. It’s a civilian one. Fell down near Grabove. There are lots of corpses of women and children. The Cossacks are out there looking at all this.

They say on TV it’s AN-26 transport plane, but they say it’s written Malaysia Airlines on the plane. What was it doing on Ukraine’s territory?

Nikolay Kozitsin: That means they were carrying spies. They shouldn’t be f…cking flying. There is a war going on.

Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/separatists-admit-downing-a-civilian-plane-in-tapped-conversation-full-transcript-356545.html

[bemildred]

1. Well that's interesting if they can listen to the rebels cell phones. nt

[geek tragedy]

4. someone can. if there's an Indonesian student

from an university in Thompson that was on the plane, that would seem to be proof of the authenticity of the recording.

[bemildred]

5. I would think they would notice that, is what I'm saying.

The rebels, it's not a new idea, cell phone surveillance. If it's being used against them, they should notice, when they keep getting ambushed.

So if true, they are dumb, and this lets the cat out of the bag, now they will know.

[geek tragedy]

6. they may think they were on a secure line.

part of good eavesdropping is not having the target suspect eavesdropping. there's always a cat and mouse game between encryption and spying

though the social media post from Strelkin seems to trump these recordings.

[bemildred]

8. Right, and that is dumb.

Smart is don't use cell phones. Don't use land lines either.

[geek tragedy]

9. the options for communicating in the field are not great

I doubt these guys have a way of communicating that can't be hacked by the NSA. And they can't go without communicating.

[bemildred]

13. I'm sorry, you can't run a war without secure comms.

If you have to use runners or ad hoc methods, then you do.

If Kiev is having this much trouble with these amateurs while able to listen in, they are pretty dumb too. Entirely possible, I suppose.

[geek tragedy]

15. this campaign has not exactly been Montgomery vs Rommel nt

[bemildred]

17. No.

I've been assuming Kiev would "win" the war, because they have western backing and Putin is not willing to back the rebels much, and the rebels looks like amateurs with some ex-military types who are nostalgic for combat or something (dumb). But I've had doubts when I see how the government in Kiev conducts itself too, they are the sort of guys I expect to lose wars in short order, and they are relying on lots of irregular troops, as well. So I also have expected it to drag on interminably. This might change that\, depending on how it falls out.

[geek tragedy]

18. if all appearances hold up, the rebels just killed citizens from at least 7

different NATO nations, and citizens of every permanent UNSC member except Russia (unless by some miracle there were no Chinese on a flight to Malaysia).

Their goose is cooked.

[bemildred]

19. Their goose was already cooked. This might speed it up.

Mostly by undercutting their local support. Perhaps by getting Putin to cut them off.

[geek tragedy]

20. and because "this has been allowed to go on too long"

will become consensus right quick.

still a dangerous time, because now Putin is truly cornered, and cornered adversaries tend to be unpredictable

[KoKo]

25. indeed...........n/t

[cosmicone]

2. Kyiv Post

Enough said

[geek tragedy]

3. so says the Putin fan who accused Obama of shooting the plane down.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=848500

[cosmicone]

21. Yes, I realize how a legitimate speculation

is silenced by Putin-phobic people. Gang-abuse of the alert system to make sure that no one ever writes anything contrary to one's opinion.

[geek tragedy]

22. Or, perhaps conspiracy theories crazier than Birtherism

concocted by admirers of righwing dictators and bigots like Putin and Modi do not go over well at a liberal website.

Your 'speculation' was about as legitimate as Joffrey Baratheon.

"Putin-phobic" from you is a compliment, since Mr. Putin is a fascist, warmongering, bigoted imperialist.

[maddezmom]

23. Putin-phobic?

That is a new one...did you make it up yourself?

[cosmicone]

26. There are people here who are against everything Putin does

Even if Putin saved the world from hunger and disease singlehandedly, they would still hate Putin and every one of his positions/policies.

I don't like Putin's bigotry against LGBT people and his heavy-handedness but I don't dislike everything he does because of that nor do I alert every post that supports some of the policies of Putin like some do here and jointly hide opposing posts to silence any contrary view.

[thucythucy]

30. Might be a mock on "homophobia."

You know, because Putin is such a he-man, standing up to teh gays.

[maddezmom]

31. Yeah, struck me as odd terminology as well

[Coventina]

24. Putin-phobic? He a personal friend or something?

[maddezmom]

27. You seriously think Obama is behind the plane going down?

[cosmicone]

32. No n/t

[maddezmom]

33. Then what was your post about?

[cosmicone]

35. It could have been Ukraine, Svoboda, Right Sektor

or rogue elements of the CIA.

Ukraine is not PBO's style nor does it help him in any way. It is a major headache for him actually. However, there are PNAC types in the CIA left over fron the dubya-vader admin.

[thucythucy]

29. "legitimate speculation"???

You "speculated" that President Obama ordered a civilian airliner to be shot down so as to convince the Europeans to go along with sanctions on Russia. That's not "legitimate speculation"--that's batshit crazy wing-nuttery somewhere to the right of Michelle Bachman. Come to think of it, she and her hubby are Putin fans too, aren't they?

Go figure.

[cosmicone]

34. I didn't say it was President Obama

Where did I write such a thing?

[thucythucy]

36. Sorry. I got you confused with "Another Liberal."

The thread is growing so fast it's been tough keeping up.

I truly apologize.

[OKNancy]

7. In some cases spying and intelligence operations are a good thing

[Fearless]

10. Hindsight is 20-20, foresight is blind.

[Agschmid]

11. I know, I hate it but... yup.

[maddezmom]

12. ....

Grabbing mine.

[bemildred]

14. LOL. nt

[conservaphobe]

16. Which is why policies should be based on effectiveness, not emotions. nt

[Bodhi BloodWave]

28. Is this anything like that conversation that was intercepted a fair while back

between a 'Russian separatist/agent' and an officer or some such in Russia?

Where it was discovered that the fellow the Kiev people claimed was the Russian 'bigshot' had been dead a while >.>

aka the conversation might be legit, but i am taking it with a bucket of salt personally

[cosmicone]

37. exactly.

the conversation allegedly intercepted is obviously made up.

[imthevicar]

38. I call

Bullshit! But
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

[geek tragedy]

39. You seem very certain that you know who

did it, so please tell us who it was?

[echochamberlain]

40. Ukraine Foreign minister

Pavlo Klimkin, the Ukrainian foreign minister confirms that Ukraine doesn't have the military capability in that area, and the hardware must, therefore, be Russian. Pushes the notion that The Russians are putting up a smokescreen.

[Sunlei]

41. They are very good these days with intercepted phone calls.