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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:12 AM Jul 2014

President Obama: Weekly Address: Closing Corporate Tax Loopholes

Last edited Sat Jul 26, 2014, 01:59 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: White House

In this week’s address, the President continued his call for our nation to rally around an economic patriotism that says rather than protecting wasteful tax loopholes for a few at the top, we should be investing in things like education and job training that grow the economy for everybody.

The President highlighted the need to close one of the most unfair tax loopholes that allows companies to avoid paying taxes here at home by shifting their residence for tax purposes out of the country. The President has put forth a budget that does just that, and he has called for business tax reform that makes investment in the United States attractive, and creates incentives for companies to invest and create jobs here at home. And while he will continue to make the case for tax reform, the President is calling on Congress to take action and close this loophole now.




Read more: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/07/26/weekly-address-closing-corporate-tax-loopholes



http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/07/26/weekly-address-closing-corporate-tax-loopholes
transcript

(snip)
Even as corporate profits are as high as ever, a small but growing group of big corporations are fleeing the country to get out of paying taxes. They’re keeping most of their business inside the United States, but they’re basically renouncing their citizenship and declaring that they’re based somewhere else, just to avoid paying their fair share.

I want to be clear: this is only a few big corporations so far. The vast majority of American businesses pay their taxes right here in the United States. But when some companies cherrypick their taxes, it damages the country’s finances. It adds to the deficit. It makes it harder to invest in the things that will keep America strong, and it sticks you with the tab for what they stash offshore. Right now, a loophole in our tax laws makes this totally legal – and I think that’s totally wrong. You don’t get to pick which rules you play by, or which tax rate you pay, and neither should these companies.

The best way to level the playing field is through tax reform that lowers the corporate tax rate, closes wasteful loopholes, and simplifies the tax code for everybody. But stopping companies from renouncing their citizenship just to get out of paying their fair share of taxes is something that cannot wait. That’s why, in my budget earlier this year, I proposed closing this unpatriotic tax loophole for good. Democrats in Congress have advanced proposals that would do the same thing. A couple Republicans have indicated they want to address this too, and I hope more join us.

Rather than double-down on the top-down economics that let a fortunate few play by their own rules, let’s embrace an economic patriotism that says we rise or fall together, as one nation, and as one people. Let’s reward the hard work of ordinary Americans who play by the rules. Together, we can build up our middle class, hand down something better to our kids, and restore the American Dream for all who work for it and study for it and strive for it.
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President Obama: Weekly Address: Closing Corporate Tax Loopholes (Original Post) cal04 Jul 2014 OP
"Lower corporate tax rates?" Here it comes... ballyhoo Jul 2014 #1
A lowering of corporate tax rates with comprehensive closed loopholes RiverNoord Jul 2014 #4
It also depends whether this is simply another ruse. On ballyhoo Jul 2014 #6
Very likely, but... RiverNoord Jul 2014 #45
And thats the point. Do we want more govt revenue, or rates that make you "feel good". 7962 Jul 2014 #39
There isnt anything wrong with lower rates providing though that the companies actually pay cstanleytech Jul 2014 #7
We are right now in an inverse totalitarian system. The companies ballyhoo Jul 2014 #9
Small corps pay corp taxes at a much higher rate than the big boys or girls randys1 Jul 2014 #26
I agree with that. I used to be in business ballyhoo Jul 2014 #30
+1 a2liberal Jul 2014 #12
The beat goes on, but this time the drummer ballyhoo Jul 2014 #15
Businesses are paying 1/3 the share they paid 30 years ago BlueStreak Jul 2014 #25
Your second paragraph is what will happen UNLESS ballyhoo Jul 2014 #29
Close loopholes first... Then we'll see. grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #44
And the real unpatriotic traitors that are to blame albino65 Jul 2014 #2
About time that the President stated it in real terms RiverNoord Jul 2014 #3
"Unpatriotic" is a George Bush, Republican threat. JayhawkSD Jul 2014 #20
Hillary 2016. L0oniX Jul 2014 #42
Legal, huh? DeSwiss Jul 2014 #5
Thanks for your weekly posting! BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #8
A person has to be interested enough to subscribe to them, but some don't listen as it disturbs the freshwest Jul 2014 #32
One might not even need to subscribe BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #36
Thanks for that info, and especially the article there. freshwest Jul 2014 #37
No problem! BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #40
From what I hear, all they have to do is take a Baitball Blogger Jul 2014 #10
A Prediction: if something is passed regarding this idea Dragonfli Jul 2014 #11
He also commented that CEO responsibility is not just short term profits for shareholders.. DCBob Jul 2014 #13
Pushing them out the door moondust Jul 2014 #14
AgreeBut why do teabaggers usually support this corporate crap while claiming to be super patriotic lunasun Jul 2014 #16
Hit them with a tariff. Turbineguy Jul 2014 #17
So tax all money earned in the US, whether taxes are paid on it elsewhere or not. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #18
Just make them state they do not pay American taxes on their product or service.... Uben Jul 2014 #19
.., YvonneCa Jul 2014 #43
This is a little sugar to make the medicine go down. candelista Jul 2014 #21
Ok Mr. President - Then Close The Loophole With An Executive Order - Then Expose The Fraud In The Courts cantbeserious Jul 2014 #22
This was an issue in the 2004 election. hollowdweller Jul 2014 #23
+1. candelista Jul 2014 #33
Funny how historically it has alwyas been RIGHT WINGERS ... vkkv Jul 2014 #24
They drink, plus they are stupid people, seriously, so that makes it easier randys1 Jul 2014 #27
DUly RECommended Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #28
I am glad we have a President who is an expert on other folks patriotism. AngryAmish Jul 2014 #31
Simple jamzrockz Jul 2014 #34
I'm "people," so can I do that too, my friends? C Moon Jul 2014 #35
This hits close to home...... Stainless Jul 2014 #38
LOL ...not if the Third Way has anything to say about it. L0oniX Jul 2014 #41
 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
4. A lowering of corporate tax rates with comprehensive closed loopholes
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:39 AM
Jul 2014

could very substantially increase government revenue. It all depends on which loopholes are closed and just exactly 'closed' means.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
6. It also depends whether this is simply another ruse. On
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:49 AM
Jul 2014

the road to neo-feudalism the string-pullers will have their way.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
45. Very likely, but...
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 09:15 AM
Jul 2014

the most effective tactics the 'string-pullers' have always used involve suppressing even the mention of such stuff. When the President of the United States makes statements calling tax-jumping to foreign jurisdictions 'unpatriotic', I'm not sure that anyone but he is pulling strings...

Could be wrong, of course...

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
39. And thats the point. Do we want more govt revenue, or rates that make you "feel good".
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 02:58 PM
Jul 2014

There's a knee jerk reaction to any suggestion to lower rates. Which is ridiculous, because not many companies PAY THAT RATE!!

cstanleytech

(26,347 posts)
7. There isnt anything wrong with lower rates providing though that the companies actually pay
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:59 AM
Jul 2014

some taxes still where as right now the way things are there are many loopholes in place which let them get away with paying zero.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
9. We are right now in an inverse totalitarian system. The companies
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 10:06 AM
Jul 2014

will continue not to pay no matter what. Once a loophole is closed (should that happen), a new, more creative loophole will be opened. It's far past the time that corporations will be required to pay more taxes. The MIC is coming after entitlements and Obama will be their facilitator.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
26. Small corps pay corp taxes at a much higher rate than the big boys or girls
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:35 PM
Jul 2014

This is what is fucked up, seems the little guy is always taking it in the shorts.

REAL SIMPLE

the more you make, the more you pay as a percentage, no exceptions


small corps have far less loopholes to play with, is my point

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
30. I agree with that. I used to be in business
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:58 PM
Jul 2014

myself putting in networks. Our discussions may be written on the wind right now, though. I think we have lost control and really have no democracy anymore. But if you don't feel that way, that's okay too. All of us have taken different paths to where we are and how we see things. I tend to be a pessimist.

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
12. +1
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 10:53 AM
Jul 2014

I love how the solution is always "lower the rates so companies won't want to avoid it and oh btw close some loopholes to look productive" and never just "close the damn loopholes"

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
25. Businesses are paying 1/3 the share they paid 30 years ago
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:31 PM
Jul 2014

They don't need to pay less. However, if by BOTH lowering rates and eliminating the loopholes gets all business closer to paying their fair share, that's worth considering.

The risk, of course, is that they will take yet another cut, but keep the best loopholes in place such that the biggest corporations continue to pay essentially no tax at all.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
29. Your second paragraph is what will happen UNLESS
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:53 PM
Jul 2014

this is done under a Bernie Sanders type or Elizabeth Warren.

 

albino65

(484 posts)
2. And the real unpatriotic traitors that are to blame
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:35 AM
Jul 2014

are the obstructionist republithugs who will do anything their corporate masters want. If a company flees the country to avoid taxes, tariffs should be in place that replaces the lost taxes plus punitive damages at triple.

Tea Party:
Traitors Each and All
Pontificating, Anarchic, Reactionary, Talking-head Yahoos

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
3. About time that the President stated it in real terms
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:37 AM
Jul 2014

These loopholes are not only unpatriotic, they're anti-patriotic. If a company calls itself American, and 'corporations are people' (which is crap, but you can't have it both ways), then it needs to conduct its business in the context of loyalty to its country. 'Nuff said.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
20. "Unpatriotic" is a George Bush, Republican threat.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:52 AM
Jul 2014

So here we go again, trying to beat our opponent by being our opponent.

In how many ways can we make Democrats undistinguishable from Republicans?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
5. Legal, huh?
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:45 AM
Jul 2014

Wonder how that happened? By all means, lets excoriate whomever it was who did this, and make 'em change it back!

- Pronto, or whenever.....




Ya know..... you could take cannabis off the Schedule I list all by yourself........

BumRushDaShow

(129,913 posts)
8. Thanks for your weekly posting!
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 10:01 AM
Jul 2014


There are DUers who believe that these addresses don't exist at all and others who do hear about them who manage to perpetually complain.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
32. A person has to be interested enough to subscribe to them, but some don't listen as it disturbs the
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 01:35 PM
Jul 2014
narratives they've already written in their heads. The result is that they can hold onto cynicism and feel wise while nothing changes. It's a game for them and a self-fulfilling prophecy that costs them nothing.

Years ago then-Senator Barack Obama acknowledged this problem. He didn't have a simple solution though:

The bottom line is that our job is harder than the conservatives' job. After all, it's easy to articulate a belligerent foreign policy based solely on unilateral military action, a policy that sounds tough and acts dumb; it's harder to craft a foreign policy that's tough and smart. It's easy to dismantle government safety nets; it's harder to transform those safety nets so that they work for people and can be paid for. It's easy to embrace a theological absolutism; it's harder to find the right balance between the legitimate role of faith in our lives and the demands of our civic religion. But that's our job. And I firmly believe that whenever we exaggerate or demonize, or oversimplify or overstate our case, we lose. Whenever we dumb down the political debate, we lose. A polarized electorate that is turned off of politics, and easily dismisses both parties because of the nasty, dishonest tone of the debate, works perfectly well for those who seek to chip away at the very idea of government because, in the end, a cynical electorate is a selfish electorate.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/09/30/153069/-Tone-Truth-and-the-Democratic-Party

There are plenty of people who count on you getting cynical and count on you not getting involved so that you don’t vote, so you give up. And you can’t give into that. America is making progress, despite what the cynics say...

Cynicism is popular these days. It’s what passes off as wisdom. But cynics didn’t put a man on the moon. Cynics never won a war. Cynics didn’t cure a disease, or start a business, or feed a young mind. Cynicism didn’t bring about the right for women to vote, or the right for African Americans to be full citizens. Cynicism is a choice.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/07/10/remarks-president-economy-austin-tx

Please read the Rest:


http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-great-american-freak-out.html

Every word rings true and '...in the end, a cynical electorate is a selfish electorate.'

to Sheshe:

The Great American Freak-Out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5292216

The weekly addresses are on youtube and iTunes for free. All one has to do is be willing to hear the voice and ideas of the man who was elected, not selected and paid to speak by shadowy entities who spread the message that our future was written years ago.

That's denying living in the present and the urgency of acting to help each other now. It disempowers those who believe it and hands decision making to the Libertarians and corporations.

BumRushDaShow

(129,913 posts)
36. One might not even need to subscribe
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 02:26 PM
Jul 2014

I listen to it on my local (CBS-affiliate) all-news radio station every Saturday morning between 6:05 am - 6:10 am ET. When they used to air Shrub's weekly address, they made sure to put it on at 10:05 am.

I.e., some local news/talk stations in the big cities do air them.

[font size="6" face="serif"]Obama holds to weekly radio tradition[/font][/font]
By Matt Viser
Globe Staff July 07, 2014

WASHINGTON
— It evokes an image of President Franklin D. Roosevelt delivering one of his fireside chats to a rapt radio audience. Or a bygone era when families motored to the country on a Saturday morning, tuning in to the official word from the White House. In nostalgic defiance of today’s hyper-drive news cycle, the tradition endures as the Weekly Presidential Address.

While historians and current White House officials fiercely defend this packaged political ritual, there is evidence that the address has faded into near-irrelevance. It generates far less news coverage than it did when it began three decades ago, and it is so under the radar that no one is tracking its listenership — or even which stations are carrying it. “Is he even still doing them?” asked Peter Lydotes, director of operations at WBUR, a major public radio outlet in Boston. He is.

<...>

Although the current White House took the address into the video age — with recordings they hope will go viral on the Internet — in essence it’s the same format as Roosevelt pioneered in the 1930s. It harkens to an age before news was digested and spit out in 30 seconds.

<...>

Although Roosevelt was known for his fireside chats, spoken to an America still recovering from the Great Depression, his speeches were fairly sporadic. It wasn’t until 1982 that President Reagan launched a weekly address, delivered every Saturday morning.

More: http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2014/07/06/president-obama-weekly-radio-address-anachronism-that-endures/2xtr0v07pKPHcuqk6QvckN/story.html


Agree that it doesn't fit the narrative of "he's not getting out there with messaging" or the "He should do radio addresses like FDR" nonsense.

Baitball Blogger

(46,776 posts)
10. From what I hear, all they have to do is take a
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 10:09 AM
Jul 2014

champagne boat ride three miles off the coast of the USA to sign a contract in order to avoid certain taxes.

So, yes, something is amiss here.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
11. A Prediction: if something is passed regarding this idea
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 10:21 AM
Jul 2014

After masterful negotiations and much needed bi-partisan compromise, we will end up with lower tax rates for Corporations and will close loopholes that mainly benefit the Middle class because of thinking like this:

Ever-increasing tax breaks for U.S. families eclipse benefits for special interests

Obama is a master negotiator.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
13. He also commented that CEO responsibility is not just short term profits for shareholders..
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 10:58 AM
Jul 2014

but also long term success for the company and what's good for the country as a whole. The CNBC pro-biz hacks couldn't give a quick come back on that one like they usually do.

moondust

(20,023 posts)
14. Pushing them out the door
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:11 AM
Jul 2014

could lead to opportunities for new players who are more socially responsible.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
16. AgreeBut why do teabaggers usually support this corporate crap while claiming to be super patriotic
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:28 AM
Jul 2014

Turbineguy

(37,400 posts)
17. Hit them with a tariff.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:28 AM
Jul 2014

or tax their employees at European rates under the tax reciprocity agreement.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
18. So tax all money earned in the US, whether taxes are paid on it elsewhere or not.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:34 AM
Jul 2014

Or impose a sales tax that covers both services and products sold in the US and then use that tax revenue to give big tax cuts to low-income working people in the US, say on their payroll taxes.

Either way, money earned should be taxed. The only tax relief should be for housing, education debts and child care, the relief that helps the middle class and the poor.

The rich can charge more for their services and products to cover the increased taxes they would have to pay under such a system.

The tax system we have right now rewards those who hide money overseas. It penalizes working people and people who keep their money in the US.

We can change this by changing our tax codes to serve the middle class and the poor rather than the rich.

If somebody makes a computer in the US and sells it in Europe, chances are the European country charges a VAT or value added tax to the price of the computer when it is purchased in Europe. That is one of the ways they fund their social services and build a relatively peaceful society. That money helps pay for single payer or some similar form of health care insurance, education, pensions. The people also pay income taxes, but the VAT taxes make a big difference.

We should be taxing the companies that create jobs overseas and if we give any companies a break, it should be based on a tax deduction for each employee hired in the US.

Let's bring the jobs home -- and the tax revenue too.

Did you hear that Apple, Microsoft, all you banks, etc. Bring the jobs home -- and the tax revenue too.

Uben

(7,719 posts)
19. Just make them state they do not pay American taxes on their product or service....
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:50 AM
Jul 2014

.....just like they require foods to label contents. Something like-



Notice to buyer:We are unpatriotic idiots who believe personal enrichment is greater than the needs of our nation. Therefore, we don't want to pay taxes but would really like to be able to use the roads and enjoy both fire and police protection at no cost to us. We know some may not agree with us, but fuck you, we make the rules.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
21. This is a little sugar to make the medicine go down.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:53 AM
Jul 2014

The real purpose is "lower corporate tax rates." As much as I like President Obama, he is Wall Street's guy.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
22. Ok Mr. President - Then Close The Loophole With An Executive Order - Then Expose The Fraud In The Courts
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:59 AM
Jul 2014

eom

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
23. This was an issue in the 2004 election.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jul 2014

Still, here we are 10 years later, despite having had democratic majorities in the house and senate during that period and nothing has happened about it.

Maybe with the progressive coalition in the party now we might see something happen? However I'm not holding my breath.

During their swing thru the Rustbelt, Obama was sounding like John L Lewis and Hillary like Mother Jones and nothing came of it.

As far as protecting the American worker the Democratic party has been like the GOP on abortion. They will do some stuff around the edges to pacify the people who want real change but it will only be slight. That is why the dems fail to win working class voters.
 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
24. Funny how historically it has alwyas been RIGHT WINGERS ...
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:17 PM
Jul 2014

Funny how historically it has alwyas been RIGHT WINGERS that have called for PROTECTIONIST laws, but since Obama is the POTUS, the GOP would rather fight was is right and support Big Business over small business and the middle class.



How do RepubliScums SLEEP at night?

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
34. Simple
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jul 2014

Just hit them with enough tarrifs equal to that they would have paid had they been in the US. Unless some free trade agreement is getting in the way of that

Stainless

(718 posts)
38. This hits close to home......
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jul 2014

A good friend was just hired by a well respected medical device manufacturing company. The American owned company, Medtronic, is merging with an Irish company, Covidien, and moving their headquarters to Ireland for tax purposes.

I strongly support President Obama in his efforts to reign in this egregious tax avoidance scam.

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