AG Holder Ordering Federal Autopsy Be Performed at Request of Michael Brown's Family

[Hissyspit]

Source: NBC News / Business Insider

@BreakingNews: Attorney General Holder is ordering federal autopsy be performed at request of Michael Brown's family - @brianefallon http://t.co/D8qysrAQa6/s/hN2U

Eric Holder Orders Federal Medical Examiner To Take Another Look At Ferguson, Missouri Teen's Death

COLIN CAMPBELL AUG. 17, 2014, 11:19 AM 87

In addition to state-performed medical examination, Attorney General Eric Holder is ordering federal autopsy be performed at request of Michael Brown's family - @brianefallon

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has taken another step in his investigation into the shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown, whose death has led to fierce protests in the relatively small city of Ferguson, Missouri.

Holder's office released a statement Sunday morning declaring the "extraordinary circumstances" involved in the case have caused him to order Justice Department officials to perform a second autopsy by a federal medical examiner.

"Due to the extraordinary circumstances involved in this case and at the request of the Brown family, Attorney General Holder has instructed Justice Department officials to arrange for an additional autopsy to be performed by a federal medical examiner. This independent examination will take place as soon as possible," the statement said.

The St. Louis County Medical Examiner's office has already examined Brown's body, which concluded the young African-American teen had died of gunshot wounds after his encounter with the police just over one week ago. The local community has rallied since the death, alleging police bias amid an aggressive crackdown on the demonstrations.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/eric-holder-federal-medical-examiner-michael-brown-death

[Warren Stupidity]

1. Nobody believes the local police are playing straight.

This is one fucked up situation.

[Louisiana1976]

51. That's right.

[MrMickeysMom]

62. Agreed...

And it needs to stop now.

[Gothmog]

2. This could be major

The autopsy report needs to be release and now it appears clear that the DOJ does not trust the state autopsy report

[Cha]

48. Tweet I saw on it, Gothmog.. :(

Lynn Sweet @lynnsweet
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Breaking: AG Holder orders extra autopsy by feds "Due to the extraordinary circumstances" of #Ferguson case and request of Brown family,

5:06 AM - 17 Aug 2014 221 Retweets 56 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/08/17/yes-ferguson-pd-the-world-is-watching/

[Gothmog]

73. Thanks

[Buddaman]

3. Very good n/t

[exboyfil]

4. Do they have the results back from their personal autopsy?

A federal autopsy would have more credibility than their independent autopsy. I don't think they would request a federal one unless they believed independent verification of something would help proof of wrongful death. I don't think their lawyer would go fishing in the hopes that the feds do a better job/find something more. I understand their own independent examiner is top notch.

[CincyDem]

6. "We're gonna need a bigger boat"

Possible that a top notch examiner looked at his body, immediately saw something very concerning and decided it was better to call in the "forensic cavalry". When this thing goes to court, having the full force of federal capability as the primary expert (versus just being a supporting actor) could be important.

All speculation at this point. I just hope this stay front and center for a long as it takes to get the truth out.

[Louisiana1976]

52. I hope so too--but judging from the usual short attention span of the American public, it

probably won't.

[alsame]

5. K&R nt

[catbyte]

7. If this autopsy differs from the local one, I'll just bet hate spewers will call AG

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Holder and President Obama racists, trying to foment riots in order to destroy the Noble White Race.

[Jackpine Radical]

15. Well, yes. That pretty much goes without saying.

SOP for the Denial Machine.

[eppur_se_muova]

23. The 'if' clause is pretty superfluous.

They're gonna do this anyway.

[Louisiana1976]

53. I think so too.

[Enthusiast]

26. They never miss an opportunity to fill the airwaves with incredible lies.

[whistler162]

32. if it doesn't then it is a Federally sanctioned

coverup!

[MrMickeysMom]

63. Then, fuck em...

Jest let them try...

[NJCher]

8. I'm so pleased

Pay attention, militaristic police departments across the U.S.



Cher

[Uben]

9. The way Ferguson officials have handled things, who would blame them?

It's been a week, no arrest has been made or charges filed despite eye-witness accounts of the shooting of Michael Brown. Is that normal? Would a citizen have been given the opportunity to remain free if they had shot a cop for any reason?

[rhett o rick]

10. If a citizen kills a police-person, they wouldn't survive the trip back to the station.

We are looking at a huge double standard here.

[Travis_0004]

59. A black person shot a police officer today in Charlotte

He made it to the police station just fine.

[rhett o rick]

65. Well it's hard to tell what story you are speaking about because you failed to provide

a link. The article I read said the person that killed the officer committed suicide and wasn't black.

What was your point by the way?

[rhett o rick]

75. Plez link to the story. I can't find it. nm

[Travis_0004]

76. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/08/17/5112055/police-officer-reportedly-shot.html

[heaven05]

13. per your last question

no.

[amandabeech]

29. It is unlikely that there will be a charge until ALL autopsies and other investigations

have been concluded.

A good prosecutor would do nothing less in a case like this.

[damnedifIknow]

11. It would be a sight for very sore eyes

if the government pursued this with everything they have. Time to send a clear message to law enforcement everywhere.

[cleduc]

12. This is critical evidence

Great that something like this is happening to reduce questions about what transpired.

[SunSeeker]

14. Unfortunately, the local ME has already had at the body.

I imagine the local ME has already cut into the body and may have, purposefully or not, destroyed evidence.

[jimlup]

16. If attempts are made to conceal evidence that should leave a scientifically accessible signature

especially for the feds who should be able to find such evidence without trouble.

[GoneFishin]

17. I don't have much faith in Holder. I would have felt better if the family had hired a top notch

examiner on their own, independent of any government agency. I am cautiously optimistic, but Holder is going to follow the route that is politically convenient. If it is politically expedient to assure the country that things are not too much out of control then we might see a whitewash, with the intent of tamping down the uproar.

We have seen time and time again that Holder and the White House are unresponsive to the wishes of average Americans.

I hope this time they do the right thing.

[justiceischeap]

18. They did get an independent examination

I suspect something came up in that examination that warranted a look by the Feds.

[GoneFishin]

19. Oh good. Thanks.

[IronGate]

30. They did hire an independent ME,

they hired Michael Baden to do a 2nd autopsy.
Going to be very interesting to see if his differs from the local ME.

[louis-t]

20. I heard the family had hired Michael Baden.

[former9thward]

21. This is a publicity stunt.

Holder could have had anyone present at the state autopsy. What does he think, the governor faked the report?

[bravenak]

28. The release of the store footage was a publicity stunt.

This is what we expect from the justice department.

[former9thward]

31. Actually the store footage was a FOIA request.

Do you think the governor faked the autopsy report?

[bravenak]

34. The FOIA request was for the police report of the SHOOTING.

The cops gave this. Don't lie.

[former9thward]

37. Do you think the governor faked the autopsy report?

That is what this sub-thread. I did not bring up the video. Did he fake the report? Don't lie.

[justiceischeap]

38. I suspect the Governor didn't perform the autopsy

That a state medical examiner did.

[former9thward]

40. Did he fake the report?

[justiceischeap]

41. We can't know that until

The state report is released, the independent report and the Fed report. I can't imagine everything is kosher if the family already had an independent autopsy performed and after getting the results DEMANDING a Fed autopsy.

Something seems to be in question here and until all the reports are released we won't know.

[former9thward]

42. How will we know which are the fake reports?

Why didn't Holder have someone present at the state autopsy? The DOJ was already involved.

[justiceischeap]

43. I would say if the two other reports

Don't match the state report and the other two match one another, then it'll be pretty easy to tell which one is onerous.

I don't understand where your animosity on this issue is coming from. Michael Baden performed the independent autopsy and as far as I know about his pro reputation, is beyond reproach. If I had to guess (and it would be just that ) Baden found something contrary in the state report to his own findings and probably suggested the Brown family have the Feds do their own autopsy. It seems to me that this is a good thing, not a bad one.

Also, the state exam was conducted on the Sunday after Browns shooting. The justice dept./FBI didn't get involved until the Monday after the shooting.

[former9thward]

44. Autopsies are not secret.

Holder could have had someone present if he wanted. I don't know what you know about autopsies but they change the body. The body is no longer the same as it was now that two have been done.

[bravenak]

50. What?

No. I have not seen it yet.

[Anansi1171]

55. I dont suspect the Gov faked the report moreso than I distrust the

...local ME's autopsy. That is where the Ferguson PD would be able to manipulate crucial evidence to shape a narrative exonerating the officer.

As of yet, I have scant details about the initial autopsy, who witnessed and how it was recorded.

But, gee, as a former policeman, why no share your thoughts on the Michael Brown murder and its aftermath? I am genuinely curious.

[former9thward]

57. I'm not a former policeman.

You have me mixed up with someone else.

[Anansi1171]

58. Then I was wrong and you have my apology!

Sorry!

[former9thward]

68. Not necessary.

I can only keep up with half the stuff here!

[Little Star]

35. Not sure I'm buying that innocent FOIA request. Who exactly requested it? And when???...

What was the motivation for such a request??????? Who benefits from it?

If there was such a request it was made by people trying a character assignation attempt on Mike Brown. There is no other logical explanation for it. It had zero to do with his murder.

[former9thward]

36. The news media makes those requests all the time.

And they go to court to get them enforced.

[Little Star]

46. No kidding. Yes they do when there is something to be learned....

Like it or not the only reason for the release of that footage was character assignation and I don't believe for one second any journalist made that request. The cops wanted it out there to smear the kid, period.

[Louisiana1976]

54. Exactly. The cops wanted to sully Brown's character.

[HooptieWagon]

61. Nobody in the media did a FOIA for the store video.

They were unaware it existed, and were scratching their heads when FPD distributed copies. And FPD had to obtain the video by supoena from the store, who apparently weren't intending to press charges, or they would have given the video to police that Saturday.

[joshcryer]

67. I don't think it was on the national radar at that point.

I wouldn't have expected a federal examiner at that autopsy. There are hundreds of incidents like this every year.

[former9thward]

69. Except the DOJ was already involved at that point.

Details, details...

[joshcryer]

70. The FBI was involved.

Do you have a link to the DOJ?

The FBI always looks in to killings by police when people say the person was innocent.

[former9thward]

71. The FBI is part of the DOJ.

And no, the FBI does not "always looks in to killings by police when people say the person was innocent."

[joshcryer]

72. Well, when lots of people make noise.

Not necessarily when a couple of people say it was murder. It admittedly takes them forever to get convictions though (see the Katrina murders for an example).

[TheDonkey]

22. Local and state agencies should be relieved of duty

This has been a shocking display of ineptitude or malice by the local police handling the killing or this kid and handling the community response. The states idle watching and recent moves have been similarly as tone deaf and ineffective. I wish national leaders come flowing into Ferguson because the community needs help!

[vlyons]

24. Finally!! We're getting somewhere!

Hopefully, the Fed autopsy report will be released before next week-end. Should be interesting to see how it might differ from the county autopsy, assuming the county one gets released at all.

[Iliyah]

25. Reading around other sites where f**k up fake news are

basically saying that he's a criminal and he deserved to die. When a so called "news" station continuously spew racial bullshit day in and day out, the only conclusion I have is that fake news want unrest in America. Fake news is trying to start a war within America. I'm hopeful that the present Administration is aware of this.

That said, yes, I agree with the DOJ. After what they did in the T. Martin matter, yes, do it now!

[Enthusiast]

27. Was the murder addressed on the Sunday Morning talk shows?

I just wonder how biased they were. It had to be bad. I won't watch.

[Little Star]

33. k&

[cleduc]

39. Holder is putting 40 agents into the area

http://www.freep.com/article/20140817/NEWS07/308170137/ferguson-shooting-curfew-quiet

The Justice Department said Sunday it would perform a separate, "independent" autopsy of Michael Brown's body "due to the extraordinary circumstances involved in this case."

The autopsy was at the request of the Brown family, according to a statement by the Justice Department.
...
Nixon also said it was important to have thorough local and FBI investigations completed as soon as possible.

"Attorney General Holder said he is putting 40 agents into the area to accelerate the process," Nixon said. "It's important to get this right. It has to be transparent justice, it has to be thorough justice."

[KurtNYC]

45. kicking

[FormerOstrich]

47. Does this strike anyone else as an odd statement?

"Even after it is complete, Justice Department officials still plan to take the state-performed autopsy into account in the course of their investigation," the statement said.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/eric-holder-federal-medical-examiner-michael-brown-death#ixzz3Agzvw0pF

Shouldn't it go without saying, the state-performed autopsy would be taken into consideration? Is there some distinction to draw from this? Does this mean, in the end, the State's autopsy will be "official". Am I being ultra-wary?

[cleduc]

56. Maybe it's to help the court case

by underscoring where both parties agree on facts (which will be the bulk of them) that will reduce the bickering in court/media

[sheshe2]

49. Good! KnR

[hardcover]

60. Holder is doing the right thing

there has to be more than one autopsy to find out what exactly went down. We need a scientific conclusion of what happened. I hope we get some answers soon and no one else gets hurt while we wait for the results.

[Uncle Joe]

64. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Hissyspit.

[Cha]

66. I have a lot of "faith" in AG Holder.. cheap pot aside.. Tweet on Holder Ordering Extra Autopsy..

Lynn Sweet @lynnsweet
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[tavalon]

74. In a situation quite without any good news

this is about as good as it gets. Take this out of the hands of the local police who appear to be aiding and abetting a murderer.

[freshwest]

77. Good... Get all the evidence.