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Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:08 AM

AG Holder Ordering Federal Autopsy Be Performed at Request of Michael Brown's Family

Source: NBC News / Business Insider

@BreakingNews: Attorney General Holder is ordering federal autopsy be performed at request of Michael Brown's family - @brianefallon http://t.co/D8qysrAQa6/s/hN2U

Eric Holder Orders Federal Medical Examiner To Take Another Look At Ferguson, Missouri Teen's Death

COLIN CAMPBELL AUG. 17, 2014, 11:19 AM 87

In addition to state-performed medical examination, Attorney General Eric Holder is ordering federal autopsy be performed at request of Michael Brown's family - @brianefallon

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has taken another step in his investigation into the shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown, whose death has led to fierce protests in the relatively small city of Ferguson, Missouri.

Holder's office released a statement Sunday morning declaring the "extraordinary circumstances" involved in the case have caused him to order Justice Department officials to perform a second autopsy by a federal medical examiner.

"Due to the extraordinary circumstances involved in this case and at the request of the Brown family, Attorney General Holder has instructed Justice Department officials to arrange for an additional autopsy to be performed by a federal medical examiner. This independent examination will take place as soon as possible," the statement said.

The St. Louis County Medical Examiner's office has already examined Brown's body, which concluded the young African-American teen had died of gunshot wounds after his encounter with the police just over one week ago. The local community has rallied since the death, alleging police bias amid an aggressive crackdown on the demonstrations.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/eric-holder-federal-medical-examiner-michael-brown-death

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Reply AG Holder Ordering Federal Autopsy Be Performed at Request of Michael Brown's Family (Original post)
Hissyspit Aug 2014 OP
Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #1
Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #51
MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #62
Gothmog Aug 2014 #2
Cha Aug 2014 #48
Gothmog Aug 2014 #73
Buddaman Aug 2014 #3
exboyfil Aug 2014 #4
CincyDem Aug 2014 #6
Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #52
alsame Aug 2014 #5
catbyte Aug 2014 #7
Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #15
eppur_se_muova Aug 2014 #23
Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #53
Enthusiast Aug 2014 #26
whistler162 Aug 2014 #32
MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #63
NJCher Aug 2014 #8
Uben Aug 2014 #9
rhett o rick Aug 2014 #10
Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #59
rhett o rick Aug 2014 #65
rhett o rick Aug 2014 #75
Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #76
heaven05 Aug 2014 #13
amandabeech Aug 2014 #29
damnedifIknow Aug 2014 #11
cleduc Aug 2014 #12
SunSeeker Aug 2014 #14
jimlup Aug 2014 #16
GoneFishin Aug 2014 #17
justiceischeap Aug 2014 #18
GoneFishin Aug 2014 #19
IronGate Aug 2014 #30
louis-t Aug 2014 #20
former9thward Aug 2014 #21
bravenak Aug 2014 #28
former9thward Aug 2014 #31
bravenak Aug 2014 #34
former9thward Aug 2014 #37
justiceischeap Aug 2014 #38
former9thward Aug 2014 #40
justiceischeap Aug 2014 #41
former9thward Aug 2014 #42
justiceischeap Aug 2014 #43
former9thward Aug 2014 #44
bravenak Aug 2014 #50
Anansi1171 Aug 2014 #55
former9thward Aug 2014 #57
Anansi1171 Aug 2014 #58
former9thward Aug 2014 #68
Little Star Aug 2014 #35
former9thward Aug 2014 #36
Little Star Aug 2014 #46
Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #54
HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #61
joshcryer Aug 2014 #67
former9thward Aug 2014 #69
joshcryer Aug 2014 #70
former9thward Aug 2014 #71
joshcryer Aug 2014 #72
TheDonkey Aug 2014 #22
vlyons Aug 2014 #24
Iliyah Aug 2014 #25
Enthusiast Aug 2014 #27
Little Star Aug 2014 #33
cleduc Aug 2014 #39
KurtNYC Aug 2014 #45
FormerOstrich Aug 2014 #47
cleduc Aug 2014 #56
sheshe2 Aug 2014 #49
hardcover Aug 2014 #60
Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #64
Cha Aug 2014 #66
tavalon Aug 2014 #74
freshwest Aug 2014 #77

Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:10 AM

1. Nobody believes the local police are playing straight.

 

This is one fucked up situation.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:48 PM

51. That's right.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:39 PM

62. Agreed...

And it needs to stop now.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:11 AM

2. This could be major

The autopsy report needs to be release and now it appears clear that the DOJ does not trust the state autopsy report

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 06:59 PM

48. Tweet I saw on it, Gothmog.. :(

Lynn Sweet @lynnsweet
Follow
Breaking: AG Holder orders extra autopsy by feds "Due to the extraordinary circumstances" of #Ferguson case and request of Brown family,

5:06 AM - 17 Aug 2014 221 Retweets 56 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/08/17/yes-ferguson-pd-the-world-is-watching/

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Response to Cha (Reply #48)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:24 AM

73. Thanks

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:14 AM

3. Very good n/t

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:14 AM

4. Do they have the results back from their personal autopsy?

A federal autopsy would have more credibility than their independent autopsy. I don't think they would request a federal one unless they believed independent verification of something would help proof of wrongful death. I don't think their lawyer would go fishing in the hopes that the feds do a better job/find something more. I understand their own independent examiner is top notch.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:21 AM

6. "We're gonna need a bigger boat"



Possible that a top notch examiner looked at his body, immediately saw something very concerning and decided it was better to call in the "forensic cavalry". When this thing goes to court, having the full force of federal capability as the primary expert (versus just being a supporting actor) could be important.

All speculation at this point. I just hope this stay front and center for a long as it takes to get the truth out.

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Response to CincyDem (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:52 PM

52. I hope so too--but judging from the usual short attention span of the American public, it

probably won't.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:21 AM

5. K&R nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:25 AM

7. If this autopsy differs from the local one, I'll just bet hate spewers will call AG

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Holder and President Obama racists, trying to foment riots in order to destroy the Noble White Race.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:11 PM

15. Well, yes. That pretty much goes without saying.

SOP for the Denial Machine.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:54 PM

23. The 'if' clause is pretty superfluous.

They're gonna do this anyway.

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:54 PM

53. I think so too.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:06 PM

26. They never miss an opportunity to fill the airwaves with incredible lies.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:19 PM

32. if it doesn't then it is a Federally sanctioned

coverup!

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Response to catbyte (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:40 PM

63. Then, fuck em...

Jest let them try...

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:29 AM

8. I'm so pleased

Pay attention, militaristic police departments across the U.S.



Cher

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:38 AM

9. The way Ferguson officials have handled things, who would blame them?

It's been a week, no arrest has been made or charges filed despite eye-witness accounts of the shooting of Michael Brown. Is that normal? Would a citizen have been given the opportunity to remain free if they had shot a cop for any reason?

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Response to Uben (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:42 AM

10. If a citizen kills a police-person, they wouldn't survive the trip back to the station.

 

We are looking at a huge double standard here.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:36 PM

59. A black person shot a police officer today in Charlotte

 

He made it to the police station just fine.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #59)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:04 PM

65. Well it's hard to tell what story you are speaking about because you failed to provide

 

a link. The article I read said the person that killed the officer committed suicide and wasn't black.

What was your point by the way?

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #59)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:14 PM

75. Plez link to the story. I can't find it. nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #75)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:16 PM

76. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/08/17/5112055/police-officer-reportedly-shot.html

 

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Response to Uben (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:44 AM

13. per your last question

 

no.

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Response to Uben (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:37 PM

29. It is unlikely that there will be a charge until ALL autopsies and other investigations

 

have been concluded.

A good prosecutor would do nothing less in a case like this.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:44 AM

11. It would be a sight for very sore eyes

if the government pursued this with everything they have. Time to send a clear message to law enforcement everywhere.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:44 AM

12. This is critical evidence

 

Great that something like this is happening to reduce questions about what transpired.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:53 AM

14. Unfortunately, the local ME has already had at the body.

I imagine the local ME has already cut into the body and may have, purposefully or not, destroyed evidence.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:26 PM

16. If attempts are made to conceal evidence that should leave a scientifically accessible signature

especially for the feds who should be able to find such evidence without trouble.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:28 PM

17. I don't have much faith in Holder. I would have felt better if the family had hired a top notch

examiner on their own, independent of any government agency. I am cautiously optimistic, but Holder is going to follow the route that is politically convenient. If it is politically expedient to assure the country that things are not too much out of control then we might see a whitewash, with the intent of tamping down the uproar.

We have seen time and time again that Holder and the White House are unresponsive to the wishes of average Americans.

I hope this time they do the right thing.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:34 PM

18. They did get an independent examination

I suspect something came up in that examination that warranted a look by the Feds.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:42 PM

19. Oh good. Thanks.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:04 PM

30. They did hire an independent ME,

 

they hired Michael Baden to do a 2nd autopsy.
Going to be very interesting to see if his differs from the local ME.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:27 PM

20. I heard the family had hired Michael Baden.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:31 PM

21. This is a publicity stunt.

Holder could have had anyone present at the state autopsy. What does he think, the governor faked the report?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:20 PM

28. The release of the store footage was a publicity stunt.

 

This is what we expect from the justice department.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #28)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:15 PM

31. Actually the store footage was a FOIA request.

Do you think the governor faked the autopsy report?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #31)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:25 PM

34. The FOIA request was for the police report of the SHOOTING.

 

The cops gave this. Don't lie.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #34)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:09 PM

37. Do you think the governor faked the autopsy report?

That is what this sub-thread. I did not bring up the video. Did he fake the report? Don't lie.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #37)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:21 PM

38. I suspect the Governor didn't perform the autopsy

That a state medical examiner did.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #38)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:48 PM

40. Did he fake the report?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #40)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:51 PM

41. We can't know that until

The state report is released, the independent report and the Fed report. I can't imagine everything is kosher if the family already had an independent autopsy performed and after getting the results DEMANDING a Fed autopsy.

Something seems to be in question here and until all the reports are released we won't know.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #41)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:55 PM

42. How will we know which are the fake reports?

Why didn't Holder have someone present at the state autopsy? The DOJ was already involved.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #42)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 05:11 PM

43. I would say if the two other reports

Don't match the state report and the other two match one another, then it'll be pretty easy to tell which one is onerous.

I don't understand where your animosity on this issue is coming from. Michael Baden performed the independent autopsy and as far as I know about his pro reputation, is beyond reproach. If I had to guess (and it would be just that ) Baden found something contrary in the state report to his own findings and probably suggested the Brown family have the Feds do their own autopsy. It seems to me that this is a good thing, not a bad one.

Also, the state exam was conducted on the Sunday after Browns shooting. The justice dept./FBI didn't get involved until the Monday after the shooting.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #43)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 05:14 PM

44. Autopsies are not secret.

Holder could have had someone present if he wanted. I don't know what you know about autopsies but they change the body. The body is no longer the same as it was now that two have been done.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #37)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:41 PM

50. What?

 

No. I have not seen it yet.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #37)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:04 PM

55. I dont suspect the Gov faked the report moreso than I distrust the

...local ME's autopsy. That is where the Ferguson PD would be able to manipulate crucial evidence to shape a narrative exonerating the officer.

As of yet, I have scant details about the initial autopsy, who witnessed and how it was recorded.

But, gee, as a former policeman, why no share your thoughts on the Michael Brown murder and its aftermath? I am genuinely curious.

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Response to Anansi1171 (Reply #55)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:07 PM

57. I'm not a former policeman.

You have me mixed up with someone else.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #57)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:12 PM

58. Then I was wrong and you have my apology!

Sorry!

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Response to Anansi1171 (Reply #58)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:44 AM

68. Not necessary.

I can only keep up with half the stuff here!

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Response to former9thward (Reply #31)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:25 PM

35. Not sure I'm buying that innocent FOIA request. Who exactly requested it? And when???...

What was the motivation for such a request??????? Who benefits from it?

If there was such a request it was made by people trying a character assignation attempt on Mike Brown. There is no other logical explanation for it. It had zero to do with his murder.

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Response to Little Star (Reply #35)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:07 PM

36. The news media makes those requests all the time.

And they go to court to get them enforced.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #36)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 05:57 PM

46. No kidding. Yes they do when there is something to be learned....

Like it or not the only reason for the release of that footage was character assignation and I don't believe for one second any journalist made that request. The cops wanted it out there to smear the kid, period.

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Response to Little Star (Reply #46)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:01 PM

54. Exactly. The cops wanted to sully Brown's character.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #36)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:28 PM

61. Nobody in the media did a FOIA for the store video.

 

They were unaware it existed, and were scratching their heads when FPD distributed copies. And FPD had to obtain the video by supoena from the store, who apparently weren't intending to press charges, or they would have given the video to police that Saturday.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #21)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:42 AM

67. I don't think it was on the national radar at that point.

I wouldn't have expected a federal examiner at that autopsy. There are hundreds of incidents like this every year.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #67)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:52 AM

69. Except the DOJ was already involved at that point.

Details, details...

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Response to former9thward (Reply #69)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:55 AM

70. The FBI was involved.

Do you have a link to the DOJ?

The FBI always looks in to killings by police when people say the person was innocent.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #70)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:59 AM

71. The FBI is part of the DOJ.

And no, the FBI does not "always looks in to killings by police when people say the person was innocent."

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Response to former9thward (Reply #71)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 02:04 AM

72. Well, when lots of people make noise.

Not necessarily when a couple of people say it was murder. It admittedly takes them forever to get convictions though (see the Katrina murders for an example).

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:32 PM

22. Local and state agencies should be relieved of duty

This has been a shocking display of ineptitude or malice by the local police handling the killing or this kid and handling the community response. The states idle watching and recent moves have been similarly as tone deaf and ineffective. I wish national leaders come flowing into Ferguson because the community needs help!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:03 PM

24. Finally!! We're getting somewhere!

Hopefully, the Fed autopsy report will be released before next week-end. Should be interesting to see how it might differ from the county autopsy, assuming the county one gets released at all.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:05 PM

25. Reading around other sites where f**k up fake news are

basically saying that he's a criminal and he deserved to die. When a so called "news" station continuously spew racial bullshit day in and day out, the only conclusion I have is that fake news want unrest in America. Fake news is trying to start a war within America. I'm hopeful that the present Administration is aware of this.

That said, yes, I agree with the DOJ. After what they did in the T. Martin matter, yes, do it now!

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:11 PM

27. Was the murder addressed on the Sunday Morning talk shows?

I just wonder how biased they were. It had to be bad. I won't watch.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:23 PM

33. k&

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:45 PM

39. Holder is putting 40 agents into the area

 

http://www.freep.com/article/20140817/NEWS07/308170137/ferguson-shooting-curfew-quiet
The Justice Department said Sunday it would perform a separate, "independent" autopsy of Michael Brown's body "due to the extraordinary circumstances involved in this case."

The autopsy was at the request of the Brown family
, according to a statement by the Justice Department.
...
Nixon also said it was important to have thorough local and FBI investigations completed as soon as possible.

"Attorney General Holder said he is putting 40 agents into the area to accelerate the process," Nixon said. "It's important to get this right. It has to be transparent justice, it has to be thorough justice."

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 05:55 PM

45. kicking

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 06:53 PM

47. Does this strike anyone else as an odd statement?

"Even after it is complete, Justice Department officials still plan to take the state-performed autopsy into account in the course of their investigation," the statement said.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/eric-holder-federal-medical-examiner-michael-brown-death#ixzz3Agzvw0pF


Shouldn't it go without saying, the state-performed autopsy would be taken into consideration? Is there some distinction to draw from this? Does this mean, in the end, the State's autopsy will be "official". Am I being ultra-wary?

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Response to FormerOstrich (Reply #47)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:06 PM

56. Maybe it's to help the court case

 

by underscoring where both parties agree on facts (which will be the bulk of them) that will reduce the bickering in court/media

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 07:43 PM

49. Good! KnR

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:53 PM

60. Holder is doing the right thing

there has to be more than one autopsy to find out what exactly went down. We need a scientific conclusion of what happened. I hope we get some answers soon and no one else gets hurt while we wait for the results.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:56 PM

64. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Hissyspit.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:38 AM

66. I have a lot of "faith" in AG Holder.. cheap pot aside.. Tweet on Holder Ordering Extra Autopsy..

Lynn Sweet @lynnsweet
Follow
Breaking: AG Holder orders extra autopsy by feds "Due to the extraordinary circumstances" of #Ferguson case and request of Brown family,

5:06 AM - 17 Aug 2014 221 Retweets 56 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/08/17/yes-ferguson-pd-the-world-is-watching/

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:27 AM

74. In a situation quite without any good news

this is about as good as it gets. Take this out of the hands of the local police who appear to be aiding and abetting a murderer.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 06:16 PM

77. Good... Get all the evidence.

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