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Eugene

(61,874 posts)
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 12:43 PM Apr 2012

Supreme court: immunity for witness grand jury testimony

Source: Reuters

By James Vicini

WASHINGTON | Mon Apr 2, 2012 11:37am EDT

(Reuters) - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that a government investigator who initiates a criminal case against a private individual and later lies to a grand jury still has immunity from a civil lawsuit over his testimony.

The high court justices unanimously handed a defeat to a Georgia accountant who wanted to proceed with his lawsuit seeking damages from a government official who was the chief investigator for a local prosecutor.

The accountant, Charles Rehberg, had engaged in an anonymous "whistleblowing" campaign about unethical billing practices at a hospital in Albany, Georgia.

Investigator James Paulk of the Dougherty County District Attorney's office falsely testified to a grand jury that the accountant had harassed doctors.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/02/us-usa-court-immunity-idUSBRE8310PR20120402

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Supreme court: immunity for witness grand jury testimony (Original Post) Eugene Apr 2012 OP
so lying under oath is no longer perjury SemperEadem Apr 2012 #1
Unless it's with regards to your usrname Apr 2012 #2
It's still perjury, but you can't be sued for civil damages. Eugene Apr 2012 #3
No, it is perjury, elleng Apr 2012 #7
I get that this is the government (can't be sued) Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #4
See my #7, Ruby. elleng Apr 2012 #8
Thanks Ellen Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #14
Rehberg v Paulk Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #10
OMG - that is horrifying Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #15
Ok, so I get it usrname Apr 2012 #5
What a crock of shit. blackspade Apr 2012 #6
Absolutely goclark Apr 2012 #9
Here is the actual Court Opinion happyslug Apr 2012 #11
brought to us by the people who murder women and kids with drones and get away with it. nt msongs Apr 2012 #12
Protecting Cheney? JDPriestly Apr 2012 #13
 

usrname

(398 posts)
2. Unless it's with regards to your
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 12:50 PM
Apr 2012

personal sexual activities with an intern. Then it's one-step away from treason. Oh, but IOKIYAR.

Eugene

(61,874 posts)
3. It's still perjury, but you can't be sued for civil damages.
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 12:56 PM
Apr 2012

According to the article, it is up to the government to prosecute perjurers.

elleng

(130,878 posts)
7. No, it is perjury,
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 01:45 PM
Apr 2012

and story says decision says criminal prosecution for it is still available as a sanction, but policy to encourage testimony before grand jury prevails within it.
Nuance and details very important, when reading Supreme Court decisions.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
4. I get that this is the government (can't be sued)
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 01:00 PM
Apr 2012

but what of a personal defamation case? Libel? Slander? Nothing?

That seems a little extreme to me.

Any attorneys want to jump in here and explain this to we common folk?

elleng

(130,878 posts)
8. See my #7, Ruby.
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 01:48 PM
Apr 2012

Sorry but not a my computer so somewhat handicapped in explaining fully. Read the story, and the Decision if you can find it.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
10. Rehberg v Paulk
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 02:13 PM
Apr 2012
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-788.pdf

This has nothing to do with the man being a government employee. The issue here was could the guy be PRIVATELY sued for his testimony to the grand jury under a particular federal statute? As at trial, any called witness testifying to a grand jury has immunity for that testimony.

Of course, if that testimony is false then you've committed perjury, which is a serious felony. Rehberg's suit tried to evade earlier standards of immunity by suing over conspiracy (not just the testimony, but the entire scheme) and using the "complaining witness" distinction which existed in US law in 1871, which is relevant because that's when the particular statute he sued under was passed.

The decision was unanimous.
This case requires us to decide whether a “complaining witness” in a grand jury proceeding is entitled to the same immunity in an action under 42 U. S. C. §1983 as a witness who testifies at trial. We see no sound reason to draw a distinction for this purpose between grand juryand trial witnesses.
...
Section 1983, which derives from §1 of the Civil RightsAct of 1871, 17 Stat. 13, creates a private right of action to vindicate violations of “rights, privileges, or immunitiessecured by the Constitution and laws” of the UnitedStates. Under the terms of the statute, “‘[e]very person’ who acts under color of state law to deprive another of a constitutional right [is] answerable to that person in a suit for damages.” Imbler v. Pachtman, 424 U. S. 409, 417 (1976) (citing 42 U. S. C. §1983).
...
The factors that justify absolute immunity for trialwitnesses apply with equal force to grand jury witnesses.In both contexts, a witness’ fear of retaliatory litigationmay deprive the tribunal of critical evidence. And in neither context is the deterrent of potential civil liability needed to prevent perjurious testimony. In Briscoe, the Court concluded that the possibility of civil liability wasnot needed to deter false testimony at trial because othersanctions—chiefly prosecution for perjury—provided a sufficient deterrent. Id., at 342. Since perjury before agrand jury, like perjury at trial, is a serious criminaloffense, see, e.g., 18 U. S. C. §1623(a), there is no reason to think that this deterrent is any less effective in preventing false grand jury testimony.


The exemption from any civil suit resulting from witness statements made during grand jury proceedings was held by the whole court to be so very important that public policy demands it be absolute.

There is no question as to the extreme nature of Paulk's conduct, although he certainly wasn't the worst one.
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/04/02/45237.htm
http://www.albanyherald.com/news/2011/oct/30/supreme-court-to-hear-rehberg-case/

They basically trumped up a case against Rehberg and indicted him three times on false grounds. James Paulk was the chief investigator. Really bad conduct.
http://fantasyscotus.org/cases/rehberg-v-paulk/lesson-plan/
From September 2003 to March 2004, Petitioner Charles Rehberg sent anonymous faxes to the management of Phoebe Putney Memorial Hospital in Albany, Georgia that criticized the way the hospital was conducting its business. Rehberg alleged that the hospital was being financially dishonest. Respondent Ken Hodges, who was the District Attorney of Dougherty County, Georgia, allegedly had political ties to the hospital management and agreed to investigate the anonymous faxes as a favor. He and Respondent James Paulk, the District Attorney’s Chief Investigator, believed that Rehberg was responsible for the faxes, so they created several fake, but official-looking subpoenas (orders, often made by a grand jury, which require the recipient to produce specified documents) for Rehberg’s phone records and gave them to his telephone companies. Hodges and Paulk also created a similar fake subpoena to obtain electronic data from Rehberg’s e-mail provider. The subpoenas claimed that a grand jury (a body of citizens which is tasked with determining, before trial and without the defendant present, whether there is enough evidence to charge an individual with a crime) had been assembled and was requesting the documents, even though no such grand jury actually existed at the time.

On December 14, 2005, the District Attorney produced enough evidence for the grand jury to charge Rehberg with assault, burglary, and harassment. Rehberg was arrested as a result. Respondent Paulk, the only witness to the grand jury, testified that Rehberg had broken into Dr. James Hotz’s house and assaulted him, although there was no evidence to support the truth of these statements. Paul lied. Later, Paulk admitted that he never interviewed any witnesses or collected evidence that Rehberg had committed the crimes, and that his testimony to the grand jury was false. After Rehberg challenged the evidence supporting his indictment, the Prosecutor dismissed the case.

Over the next year, Rehberg was indicted by a grand jury for assault and harassment two more times, each using the false testimony of Respondent Paulk. Both the second and third indictments were dismissed by the state trial court for lack of evidence.


In a case like this - rural county, cohesive law enforcement - it doesn't leave whistleblowers many options unless they can get the state to intervene. This was an extreme violation of Rehberg's civil rights.

But if the suit were allowed to go forward, consider what might happen if Rehberg had been testifying to the grand jury over what he alleged about the hospital's billing practices, presuming he had managed to find someone to instigate a legal case! The hospital would still have the same pull and law enforcement (at least the prosecutor's office) in its pocket, and Rehberg could have been legally called to testify and then harassed endlessly with civil lawsuits with even less protection, because the standard of proof there is less than in criminal cases. Rehberg himself would fit the definition of a complaining witness.

So the SC is probably right. This is a bad case that they made good law, but the whole thing still stinks to high heaven, and nothing can ever make it look any better.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
15. OMG - that is horrifying
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 06:42 PM
Apr 2012

If I understood that correctly, and even if I didn't - there is no recourse for damages?

On the case itself, do we not have whistleblower laws in place to protect those coming forward, or do they need a chunk of government peeps on their side before they even open their mouths?

 

usrname

(398 posts)
5. Ok, so I get it
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 01:07 PM
Apr 2012

Perjury can still be prosecuted. But that's a big if. If the government asked the person to lie and he does, on the condition of not being prosecuted, then the person who is harmed by the lie cannot do anything about it.

Sort of like allow a police officer to shoot you first and not be charged with a crime because the government decides not to prosecute.

This ruling only works if there's no prosecutorial discretion on charging a person with a crime. If the DA has discretion, then he can choose not to charge a criminal (the perjurer) with a crime.

goclark

(30,404 posts)
9. Absolutely
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 01:54 PM
Apr 2012

America is owned and operated by the evil doers in the 1 % -- not including Warren B. and his true blue buddies. AND the Mafia and the TeaPARTY ( because they control the Rethug Party now.
Oops... I almost forgot "CLARENCE" and CO. on the Supreme Court.
Where is that quote from Clarendce that says something like " Whatever my wife believes I believe....."

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