BREAKING: Michael Brown Audio Aired By CNN Authenticated

[sanatanadharma]

Source: Glide Video Messaging Service

Reported by Erik Wemple of the Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/08/28/video-messaging-service-verifies-timing-of-cnn-audio-recording/
"Video messaging service Glide has confirmed to the Washington Post the exact time and date the audio recording with gunshot sounds on it was made. CNN played the audio recording earlier this week, but could not independently authenticate it."

"Because Glide is the only messaging application using streaming video technology, each message is simultaneously recorded and transmitted, so the exact time can be verified to the second. In this case, the video in question was created at 12:02:14 PM CDT on Saturday, August 9th."





Read more: http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/breaking-michael-brown-audio-aired-cnn

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[link:http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/breaking-michael-brown-audio-aired-cnn|]http://blog.glide.me/post/96012321805/in-the-moment-glide-verifies-ferguson-shooting

[pnwmom]

1. K & R

[Laughing Mirror]

2. But ...

"that doesn’t mean that the sounds in the background are conclusively those of the Brown shooting."

Does this mean that it can't be proved that the sounds are the actual gunshots? That some malicious person has possibly overdubbed them on the recording?

[handmade34]

3. just stop...

[Laughing Mirror]

57. Just stop what?

Stop wondering on this forum why the sounds on the recording are not conclusive?

[handmade34]

60. your post just caught me

at a "moment"

I just have no doubts about the authenticity of the audio tape

[SunSeeker]

5. How would someone know to "dub" them the exact second Brown was shot?

What is crucial here is Glide confirmed these shots were recorded at 12:02:14 pm on August 9. The only way this could not be Wilson executing Brown is if someone else was emptying their semi-automatic into someone/something else at the exact same second Wilson was emptying his gun into Brown. Seeing as how there appear to be no reports of another shooting at the same time in that same vicinity, this is incredibly damning evidence that Wilson was the shooter on the recording who is heard firing away, then pausing before finishing Brown off, just like eye witnesses reported.

[cstanleytech]

7. They wouldnt but the next step will be

for it to be authenticated as being audio recordings of the shooting itself and not say something say from a movie that was playing in the background otherwise if it came out say that the person or a neighbor had a movie on in another room at the time and it was audio from it then it could cut the legs out from under the prosecutor.

[louis-t]

9. The defense would have to come up with

a movie with exactly the same shot sequence. Especially if the number of casings found matched exactly with the number of shots an expert or two will testify is on the recording.

[MADem]

70. All they have to do is ask the guy "Were you watching a movie? No? OK, then." nt

[SunSeeker]

11. The dude was not watching a movie.

Any movie with shots like that is accompanied by music and dialogue as loud as the shots. There was none of that on the recording.

And what are the chances that some movie shooting would happen at the exact same second and the exact same pattern as witnesses and physical evidence indicate Brown's shooting happened?

The prosecutor has to prove guilt beyond a REASONABLE doubt. Believing someone "dubbed" this or that it was a movie is just not reasonable.

[cstanleytech]

21. Hey I agree the chances of it being a movie are remote

but thats why they need to get it completely authenticated just to make sure.
If they dont do that and it comes out that it is not from the shooting it will damage the case and the officer could end up just skating away free as a bird.

[SunSeeker]

22. It was authenticated by Glide.

The authenticity is not at issue. What weight the jury will give it is another matter.

[Niceguy1]

27. it was authenticated to time

But not location.

[cstanleytech]

31. Exactly. nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

35. And the dude who gave the tape to the lawyer just happened to live in Canfield Green apartments

where brown was shot and killed, and just happened to have recorded a shot sequence at the time that everybody admits the shooting took place.



"But he might have been somewhere else at the time!"

"But maybe that recording was made elsewhere at that same exact time and somebody secretly gave it to this guy."

Lawd! One wishes people were as suspicious of ANY evidence against ANY defendant. You'd never get a conviction!

Confirmed as to exact time, and, yes, the person who claims to have made the recording lives in the same place, but however can we know? However can we possibly, possibly know?

Soon we'll be hearing about problems of epistemology, all the empirical resources of this bizarre denialism having been exhausted.

[The Magistrate]

36. Too True, Sir

And those were gun-shots in the street outside; it is a sound I am quite familiar with....

[alcibiades_mystery]

37. Chicago, brother

For better or for worse.

[freshwest]

38. They sound very fast. Could you hazard a guess as to what kind of gun the shooter was using?

Single shot gun fire sounds like fire crackers to me... I found the video and it does not sound like a fire cracker. Don't know what police carry now.

[The Magistrate]

42. Not Really, Sir

( and I hope I have not forgot )

It is a sizeable hand-gun, but that is all I could say. I made it seven rounds in the first burst and four in the second, but I gather others tally six in the first burst.

Clearly some of the first burst must have hit, if the autopsy count is correct.

[freshwest]

43. Thanks. I guess what I'm really asking, was this an 'automatic'? I've only fired single shots.

And one thinks about each shot.

[The Magistrate]

45. A Man Pulling The Trigger Of A Semi-Auto Piece Just As Fast As He Could, Sir

You can get off a surprising volume of fire that way, though aim generally suffers.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

73. Which could account for the four (or more) misses.

It seems, to me at least, that he was running and firing rapidly, then as the victim turned and fell, decided for a few more rounds.

[jberryhill]

51. echoes, reverb

Further analysis of the recording and local acoustics are called for.

[The Magistrate]

52. Not That Much To Check, Sir, Really

All for nailing things down scientifically, but those were gunshots, within a block or so of where the recording was made. I have lived in neighborhoods where nearby gunfire was a routine occurrence, where you remarked that you had not heard shots last night, not that you had. I know the sound.

[Live and Learn]

77. +1 nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

44. I haven't read the article, but the endpoint locations are very knowable.

The ISP's at either end of the connection are required to keep logs of who had what IP at a given time. That gets the location down to the apartment number.

[Niceguy1]

46. not sure if that was done or not

Sure if they could narrow it down close enough if it is viacellular.


This is why trial by media doesn't work. People cling . On to every little bit of evidence like it is the holy grail without full information

[qazplm]

65. all you need

is two to three cell towers to get a pretty good triangulation. Good enough to get him in the area. And there were no other instances of 11 shots for miles and miles. Heck, was there even a single incident of 11 shots being fired in the entire country that day?

[heaven05]

28. if justice is left in the hands

of that 'local' grand jury a zimmerman 2 will transpire(for the uninitiated, wilson) and he will 'walk' anyway. He'll NEVER see a day inside a jail cell much less prison.

[cstanleytech]

33. Where they hold the trial is an entirely diffent subject than the matter at hand which is the audio

tape.

[heaven05]

34. true

yet I still say the same thing. The audio tape tells the story. All you how many angels will fit on a pinhead people are truly laughable. Proceed. on edit: I was only commenting on the walking away a free man statement you made when talking about justice. Said nothing about trial venue, what are you talking about? But......proceed

[cstanleytech]

39. " The audio tape tells the story. " Only if its authentic and even then its not all of

the story though I will say its a pretty damning bit of it if its real.

[brush]

47. Ahhh . . . that's what the post is about. It WAS authenticated. nt

[cstanleytech]

48. Yes, the time has been authenticated but the content has yet to be by the FBI

though I have little doubt it wont be at which point it will be a major piece of evidence against the officer.

[valerief]

62. And they'd have to prove it was dubbed exactly as Brown was being killed and

would have to explain the "you're so pretty" guy's motive for doing so. Did he have prior knowledge that Brown would be killed right then? If so, why and how?

[Laughing Mirror]

58. Incredibly damning evidence indeed

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That is why I cannot understand the last sentence of the article: "Haas confirms that, even though the service has verified the creation of the tape, that doesn’t mean that the sounds in the background are conclusively those of the Brown shooting."

If I am reading this correctly, this means that even with the tape authenticated, it is not conclusive. How is it not conclusive?

What I am asking: What kind of case could possibly be made by police defense that those gunshots are not the sound of Wilson shooting Brown? What kind of story could they dream up to support the line of reasoning that the tape is not conclusive evidence.

The tape is authenticated. How could an authenticated tape not be conclusive, as this Washington Post posted article states at the very end?

[AverageJoe90]

13. Wait, what?

No offense, but I'm having trouble making sense of this theory of yours, whatever it is......

[Laughing Mirror]

55. I'm having trouble too

Trouble understanding how this tape is NOT conclusive.

[BronxBoy]

18. Good Lord.....

Don't you feel ashamed to be pissing all over the grave of a kid?????

Please describe the type of malicious person that would do this

[Laughing Mirror]

54. I'm not pissing on anybody except that "inconclusive"

I'm trying to imagine how or what kind of arguments could be made by the police that would justify how the sounds of those gunshots on this tape are "inconclusive."

For example, would they claim that maybe somebody come along after the fact and added in the sounds? I don't know. I'm trying to imagine what their defense would be and how this tape, in itself, could be inconclusive.

Inconclusive. That's what struck me here. How could the recording be inconclusive?

[rhett o rick]

50. I see. So are you willing to discuss this or is this a drive-by? Hello? Hello?

A drive-by turd drop.

[Laughing Mirror]

56. Yes, I'm willing to discuss this

when somebody can tell me how these tapes are not conclusive.

What sort of excuse will the defense of the police come up with to show this?

Unfortunately the writing of my post was clumsy, so it gave people a misunderstanding of the question I was posing.

A drive-by turd drop. Thanks! What a lovely thing to read this morning.

[elias7]

59. Funny how everyone is shitting on you but not responding to your valid question

DU has lost much is its nuance and critical thinking. Issues have become black and white with no room for discussion; somewhat reminiscent of the binary thought process of the conservative mind.

[Laughing Mirror]

69. Obviously there is something wrong

with what I have written to be interpreted the way it has been. So to me that means my writing is not clear, and all I can do is go back and see if I can make it so. I don't know if I have succeeded.

At least you understood. Thanks!

[rhett o rick]

71. IMO asking questions is not the best way to present an argument. Just my opinion. nm

[Laughing Mirror]

72. I'm not presenting an argument

I am asking a question. Why is this recording not considered conclusive? And what does that mean? Does that mean that it cannot be used as evidence? And if it cannot be used as evidence, why not? What kind of story can the police concoct to discredit it?

You see, all I have are questions. I have no argument to present.

[qazplm]

64. well goodness

you can't necessarily prove that video taken isn't a masterful forgery. come on man. There are few situations where one has 100 percent certainty of anything. This is however quite competent evidence, it certainly would be in the discussion of what happened. And it would be competent evidence I think in a court of law.

The person doing it can verify where he was, and when. The company can verify the time stamp. Certainly a defense counsel could probe for bias or motive to fabricate, but unless there's evidence of that, this would be something that comes in for most legal jurisdictions.

[Laughing Mirror]

68. Yes, it is quite competent evidence

I could not agree more. What nobody seems to be able to explain to me is that the article says that in spite of the fact that the recording was authenticated, it still is not conclusive.

What does that mean, "not conclusive"? I take not conclusive to mean that for whatever reason it is not, then it could not be used as evidence. And if is not conclusive and cannot be used as evidence, then what sort of excuse will be given why it cannot?

This is the only thing I am saying. I am in no way disputing that this recording is a forgery. I'm trying to understand how the police will explain it. What kind of story will they invent to explain why the recording is not conclusive?

[L0oniX]

66. ...because in Ferguson there's always shots being heard?

[WillyT]

4. K & R !!!

[Hari Seldon]

6. k & R

the situation remains hazy, but the trend is positive

[Blue Idaho]

8. The hunt for the truth continues...

Audio experts can and will attempt to duplicate this recording using the same app and smartphone in the same location while assistants fire shots from the street. That analysis along with the time and date stamp provided by Glide will make this damn good courtroom evidence.

[mackerel]

10. I listened twice and I'm pretty sure there were more that 7 shots.

[Ineeda]

12. Well, there would be

seeing how SIX bullets hit Michael Brown and some others missed. I've heard that Executioner Wilson fired eleven shots, but I don't know if that number has been confirmed. No dispute, though, that it was more than seven.

[freshwest]

40. CNN video says 11 shots with a pause. Will post below.

[Live and Learn]

78. That is what I counted. nt

[smakson]

14. shots

The police know exactly how many shots Michael Brown fired.

[BronxBoy]

15. ???????

Michael Brown fired shots???

[RoverSuswade]

20. The answer is zero.

Yes, the police know that.

[Cali_Democrat]

23. Michael Brown is now the one who gunned down Darren Wilson?

Who knew?!?!?!

[Jackpine Radical]

74. Maybe Brown shot himself,

sorta like Victor White in Louisiana.

Yeah, that's the ticket--It was suicide.

He was such a lousy shot it took him 11 rounds do to it.

[heaven05]

30. you're mistaken on the shooting perp

right?

[mackerel]

49. 4 posts by smakson - is it ambiguity in the writing or intentionally misleading?

[beemer27]

16. More than 7

IF the recording is authentic, and IF I listened carefully enough, it sounded like a group of 7 followed by a group of 5. It is always hard to decipher what is in the background of a recording, and there is an echo after the shots. This one will pay a lot of bills for a lot of "experts", and everyone will still hear whatever they want to hear.

[BronxBoy]

17. There shouldn't have been one...

but such is the life of a young Black man in America

[Louisiana1976]

79. Absolutely true.

[ReRe]

19. K&R

There you go.

[tea and oranges]

25. You're a cute one; where do you usually troll?

[nashville_brook]

26. must be a lost discussionist

[Rose Siding]

29. lmah?

IDK

[heaven05]

32. I know, you believe

Michael Brown deserved to be shot 6 times, right? What else could make you respond in such manner with such an answer? Come on speak up don't be ashamed, tell the world what you really think.

[L0oniX]

67. Enjoy your stay.

[freshwest]

41. VIDEO of the now authenticated CNN clip:

Note the commentary about the pause. They all saw that as significant.

[davidpdx]

53. I believe the time and day and the person speaking on it are verified

As to where the recording came from my guess is IP records will prove it came from the person's house who turned the recording over, but nothing has been said about that being verified yet.

I want to know if the "JoshCryer Theory" about him speaking to a cam girl was true. I had commented that I listened to it a few times and couldn't anymore because of it creeping me out. He agreed it was a bit creepy.

[Xyzse]

61. All I can say is good.

The closer to the truth, the better.

[cbdo2007]

63. Wow, I was very skeptical, but this is good to help paint the picture of what happened.

Definitely can hear 11 shots with a pause.

[Cosmocat]

75. They will figure out how to mold Wilson's story to the information/evidence

that comes to light between now and any trial, assuming there are charges filed against him.

Just as Zimmerman did.

There are witnesses, which helps, but Wilson has the inherent authority of being an actual police officer and they have Brown's actions in the convenience store which helps to mitigate the witnesses.

I can easily see this video fitting with the cock eyed, "he attacked me for no reason in my car trying to grab my gun, then ran away before turning around and charging me" story.

The dead person has not say here ...

[logosoco]

76. SO, and I am assuming this is authentic...

that is a lot of other bullets to account for. I have heard of one of the witnesses say they got one out of a building. I am hoping maybe the location of the others may tell more of the story of what actually happened.

I do not know anything about bullets, guns or ballistics, but I know overkill when i see it.

[Louisiana1976]

80. K&R