7 dead, 3 hurt in university shooting

[onehandle]

Last edited Mon Apr 2, 2012, 07:34 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: AP

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) — A gunman opened fire Monday at a Christian university in California, killing at least seven people, wounding three more and setting off an intense, chaotic manhunt that ended hours later with his capture at a shopping center, authorities said.

The gunfire erupted around midmorning at Oikos University. Heavily armed officers swarmed the school in a large industrial park near the Oakland airport and, for at least an hour, believed the gunman could still be inside.

Tashi Wangchuk, whose wife attended the school and witnessed the shooting, said he was told by police that the gunman first shot a woman at the front desk, then continued shooting randomly in classrooms.

Wangchuk said his wife, Dechen Wangzom, was in her vocational nursing class when she heard gunshots. She locked the door and turned off the lights, Wangchuk said he was told by his wife, who was still being questioned by police Monday afternoon.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/cops-7-dead-3-hurt-christian-school-shooting-214742437.html

[Hell Hath No Fury]

1. Is this the East Bay shooting?

Several people were shot and apparently some were killed when a gunman opened fire inside a classroom at an East Oakland private university, authorities said.

The shooting happened at Oikos University at 7850 Edgewater Road about 10:40 a.m. Four bodies outside the school were covered by tarps, and rescue workers removed at least four bodies on stretchers.

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Johnson said while she waited for medical attention the woman told her the shooter was a man in her nursing class who rose up and shot one person at point blank range in the chest before he started spraying the room with bullets.

"She said he looked crazy all the time," Johnson said the victim told her, "But they never knew how far he would go."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/02/BABJ1NTM3Q.DTL#ixzz1quYxiNde

Shooter is still loose -

[get the red out]

2. That's awful!

That's similar to Va Tech on a lesser scale. How horrible.

[RedCloud]

3. What we need to do is to rally behind these students.

This is crazy. And someone needs to tell the NRA, "No! you cannot hold one of your pro-gun shows in the immediate vicinity as it shows solidarity with the shooter!"

[msongs]

4. our friendly gun owners strike again nt

[marshall gaines]

5. unhinged

People like this usually have records somewhere about being unhinged. Guns don't shoot people, very sick people do.

[Kolesar]

9. &People are getting rich selling guns to those "sick people"

People with no scruples are getting rich selling guns to those "sick people".

[cosmicone]

24. They need to close the "gun shows" and "gun markets"

where anyone can buy a deadly weapon.

[Snake Alchemist]

42. Releasing mental health records would be much more effective. nt

[Snake Alchemist]

44. How do they know they are "sick" people? nt

[Kolesar]

50. Marshall knows

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=88337

Actually, I am making fun of his ridiculous rationalization for our degree of mass weaponization. The assholes who make guns available to killers should go to jail, too.

[Snake Alchemist]

52. So the solution is to have those records available for review? nt

[Kolesar]

53. I don't know what you are talking about

You wrote all of one sentence.

Actually, I don't care what you think.

[Snake Alchemist]

54. I'll simplify. If sick people are getting guns, then there needs to be someway of identifying sick

people so they don't get guns.

[Warren Stupidity]

16. the nation is awash in guns and in people advocating gun toting Hollywood Cowboyism.

No one could imagine that in such a climate psychotic murderers would be armed and dangerous.

[hack89]

21. Yet gun violence rates are at a 50 year low

care to explain that?

[tiny elvis]

29. a frightening increase over the last fifty years

http://www.albany.edu/scj/jcjpc/vol15is1/Bratina.pdf
spins into the good news that such a rate cannot be sustained
if only through attrition
how goes the psychotic mass murder rate?

[tabasco]

30. Compared to the rest of the civilized world?

NOT.

[hack89]

32. But we are getting there - a steady 20 year decline

who knows how low they will get. Looks like the present laws are working just fine.

Pretty impressive decline, wouldn't you argee?





http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/violent-crime

[Skittles]

33. LOL

the more people out of work means more people home during the day

[hack89]

35. What is that suppose to mean? nt

[nolabels]

37. I work at night and think guns are for people who afraid of the dark

and a lot of other things to be sure

I have heard that it's almost a 50/50 chance you will get shot with your own gun (if you own one) as opposed to someone else's so where is the logic anyway ?

[OrwellwasRight]

41. Violent crime is not the same as gun crime.

Violent crime rates include beatings by hand, with sticks, with knives, with machetes; rapes (with or without weapons); all kinds of stuff. Violent crime rates are tied more than anything to the size of the male population 16-24.

So showing this chart does not prove that "gun crimes" are at historically low levels.

[hack89]

45. 10,225 firearm murders in 2005, 8,775 in 2010

my link to the FBI site has all the details.

Here are the details on how people were murdered.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

[X_Digger]

46. Gun crime is also down.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/firearmnonfataltab.cfm

[font face='courier']
Year......Firearm.Incidents..........Rate
-----------------------------------------
1993.............1,054,820............5.9
2009...............326,090............1.4
[/font]

[hack89]

47. 12 percent drop in robbery with firearms from 2009 to 2010

5 percent drop in aggravated assault with a firearm.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl15.xls

[Kolesar]

51. Mass murders of schoolchildren are way up on that index...eom

[hack89]

55. Care to back that up with some facts? nt

[baldguy]

23. People with guns shoot people.

Gun owners shoot people.

[hack89]

28. What is your solution?

[Tunkamerica]

34. shoot the people who shoot people until people stop shooting people

after that the rate will really drop!

[BB_Troll]

6. Prayers for that community

Devastating.

[xchrom]

7. oy, horrifying. nt

[Earth_First]

8. Which University?

[BB_Troll]

10. Oikos University

in Oakland, CA

[Kolesar]

11. an East Oakland private university per #1 eom

[avaistheone1]

12. Reports are it is a religious school & someone has already been detained

http://www.businessinsider.com/report-shooting-at-oakland-religious-school-2012-4

[FarCenter]

17. More detailed description

According to its website, Oikos is an independent Korean school that offers undergraduate courses in biblical studies, ministry, nursing and music, among other degrees.

The school does not show up on the U.S. Department of Education's list of accredited schools.

But the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary Education has approved the school to teach seven degree-granting programs: bachelors degrees in biblical studies and music; masters in divinity, music and Asian medicine, a doctorate in ministry, and an associates degree in nursing.

Its website says the school trains men and women "for Christian leadership, both lay and clerical." It's not clear how many students attend the school, or the size of its faculty.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/02/BABJ1NTM3Q.DTL

[Ian David]

13. Oakland, California, police say a suspect is in custody

Police say gunman in Oikos University shooting in Oakland, California, was a student

More:
http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/oakland-college-shooting



Christian University Shooting Leaves Several Wounded, Dead

<snip>

Oikos University is a Christian university that focuses on nursing. The school's website describes students as "given the opportunity to obtain a Christian education that is based on solid Christian doctrine and ideology. Our main goal is to foster spiritual Christian leaders who abide by God's intentions and to expand God's nation through them."

More:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/christian-university-shooting-leaves-wounded-dead/story?id=16056854

[KamaAina]

14. Federal agents are swarming over the campus

of Oaksterdam University, a few miles away in downtown Oakland (Oikos is out by the airport), because it teaches people how to grow medicinal cannabis.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=88032

Meanwhile, an actual crime was being committed just a few miles away.

[Warren Stupidity]

18. We haz R Priorities.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

15. The Oakland Tribune is reporting 4 dead as many as 30 shots fired.

At least four dead in shooting at Christian university in East Oakland

OAKLAND -- Several people have been hurt -- and possibly four killed -- in a shooting this morning at a Christian university in East Oakland, authorities said.

Police would not confirm the total number of fatalites from the shooting at Oikos University on Edgewater Drive, but said that a suspect was in custody and had been arrested in Alameda.

People were being evacuated by armored vehicles from the building at 7850 Edgewater Drive, some taken away by ambulance. More are being triaged outside the building and Oakland's Highland Hospital reports that some victims are being treated there.

The shooting happened about 10:23 a.m. in a classroom at Oikos University, when the suspect came in and fired multiple shots.

<snip>

Pastor Jong Kim, who founded the school about 10 years ago, said he did not see the shooting but heard about 30 gunshots.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_20308254/police-respond-shooting-east-oakland

Gunman has been caught 2 dead 6 injured according to the San Francisco Chronicle.

2 dead, 6 injured, gunman caught in college shooting

A gunman opened fire inside a private university in Oakland, killing at least two people and injuring six, authorities said.

The shooting happened at Oikos University, a Christian school, at 7850 Edgewater Road about 10:33 a.m., said Oakland police spokeswoman Johnna Watson. Watson said authorities detained a suspect, but not would disclose if the suspect was a student.

Outside the building, tarps covered what appeared to be four bodies, and rescue workers removed at least four more victims on gurneys.

Highland Hospital reported that it was treating four victims from the shooting. Students continued evacuating the building more than an hour after the shooting.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/02/BABJ1NTM3Q.DTL#ixzz1quklHNkd

[LiberalEsto]

19. It's up to 6 now

according to MSNBC.

[Tripper11]

20. Add another - 7 dead now

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Multiple-Shooting-at-Oakland-Nursing-School-145802505.html

[cosmicone]

25. Sick ....

hope the gun nuts who insist on carrying weapons to fortify their phallic inadequacies wake up one day.

[hack89]

36. Cut that number in half

to remove the suicides - suicide rates and gun availability are not linked.

[hack89]

39. There is no correlation between gun ownership rates and total suicide rates.

1. Gun ownership rates have skyrocketed while total suicide rates have generally fallen with slight fluctuations due to the economy. Increased access to guns have not influenced suicide rates.

2. Japan, with the world's highest suicide rate, has some of the world's strictest gun laws. If someone wants to kill themselves, they will find a way.


Suicide is a mental health issue - the solution is single payer health care with a strong mental health component.

[CountAllVotes]

26. Record for gunning people down yet Oakland?!!

>>This rough-edged port city that struggles for a reprieve from the violence saw its homicide total hit triple digits last year for the fifth time in the past six years. There were 95 homicides in 2010, a five-year low that brought promise and some optimism.

But a number of the slayings in 2011 sparked community outrage and national attention. A man was shot in broad daylight in November near the Occupy Oakland encampment outside City Hall, and a beloved restaurant owner in East Oakland was fatally shot in April during an early morning attempted robbery.

Gabriel, known by his family as "Little Gabrielito," was one of three little boys felled by bullets. Three-year-old Carlos "Carlito" Nava was gunned down while being pushed in a stroller by his mother in August.

Last month, Hiram Lawrence was taken off life support after being shot in the head while in his father's arms during a rap video shooting; he died nearly three weeks shy of his second birthday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/09/oakland-homicides-spike_n_1193189.html

Just another example from the all too recent past as to why guns 'effin suck!

[Smilo]

27. I do wish they would stop calling these for profits

universities.

Oikos is only accredited by the CA Bureau for Private Postsecondary Education - charged with regulation of private postsecondary educational institutions operating in the state of California - in other words for profit places. Rant over.

Condolences to the friends and families of those who were killed and hurt.

[valerief]

31. Tragic. Tax cuts for the rich will fix it, though. And more guns in the hands of young men. nt

[OrwellwasRight]

40. Cue the pro-gunners saying this is why we need more guns.

[Remmah2]

43. Exactly what are the California gun laws? nt

nt

[onehandle]

49. In need of being strengthened and instituted from coast to coast? nt

[hack89]

48. No - we need real healthcare reform, especially mental health. nt