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7962

(11,841 posts)
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:45 PM Sep 2014

Texas woman executed for torture, starvation of 9-year-old boy

Source: CBS

HUNTSVILLE, Texas - A Texas woman convicted of the starvation and torture death of her girlfriend's 9-year-old son a decade ago was executed Wednesday evening.

Lisa Coleman, 38, received a lethal injection after the U.S. Supreme Court rejected a last-day appeal to spare her.
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Paramedics who found him dead said they were shocked to learn his age. He weighed 36 pounds, about half that of a normal 9-year-old. A pediatrician later would testify that he had more than 250 distinct injuries, including burns from cigarettes or cigars and scars from ligatures, and that a lack of food made him stop growing.

"There was not an inch on his body that not been bruised or scarred or injured," said Dixie Bersano, one of Coleman's trial prosecutors.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-woman-executed-for-torture-starvation-of-9-year-old-boy/

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Texas woman executed for torture, starvation of 9-year-old boy (Original Post) 7962 Sep 2014 OP
Sometimes it is really hard to stay consistently anti-death penalty. Kurska Sep 2014 #1
I agree MrBig Sep 2014 #5
Indeed. It is difficult to find empathy for those who have shown so little. I try to focus on msanthrope Sep 2014 #8
that's why i'm not against the death penalty when it is probably applied like in this case samsingh Sep 2014 #13
I didn't see anything about charges against his "mother". LoisB Sep 2014 #2
The mother took a plea bargain teenagebambam Sep 2014 #3
Thank you. LoisB Sep 2014 #16
Life. No parole possible "til 2044. Plea. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #4
I would think the mother should be punished even more.. how could she possibly allow this secondwind Sep 2014 #6
This is horsetrading that happens when a prosecutor wants a capital conviction. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #10
i agree with you samsingh Sep 2014 #14
I am arguing with myself right now. littlewolf Sep 2014 #7
I'm opposed to the death penalty but have no mercy for this woman. nt alp227 Sep 2014 #9
Good riddance. secondvariety Sep 2014 #11
The evidence here is vastly different from some other death penalty cases. The Stranger Sep 2014 #12
And thats the solution to the problem of a possible innocent being executed 7962 Sep 2014 #15
True that, except . . . The Stranger Sep 2014 #17
But people tamper with/plant evidence, D.A.s have political agendas, confessions are coerced, etc. Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #19
I'll tell you why, 7962 Sep 2014 #26
To me, it's much worse if one innocent person is executed than if 1,000 guilty Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #28
Life in prison is a worse punishment, IMO. Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #18
I definitely agree with that. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #25
Horrendous crime BuddhaGirl Sep 2014 #20
The only justification for taking a life . . . freedom fighter jh Sep 2014 #21
Life without parole. And about 1200 calories a day... Thor_MN Sep 2014 #22
That's easily 900 more than she deserved. TeeYiYi Sep 2014 #23
She had 38yrs he had 9....she forfeited 31. Historic NY Sep 2014 #24
Well said 7962 Sep 2014 #27
Is it permissible to say I have no sympathy for someone who would do that to a child? FLPanhandle Sep 2014 #29

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
1. Sometimes it is really hard to stay consistently anti-death penalty.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:49 PM
Sep 2014

That is all I'm going to say here.

MrBig

(640 posts)
5. I agree
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:59 PM
Sep 2014

I constantly have to remind myself that (for me) it isn't about this crime or this individual, but the systemic racism and classism present with how capital punishment is doled out.

But damn it's not easy...

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
8. Indeed. It is difficult to find empathy for those who have shown so little. I try to focus on
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:12 PM
Sep 2014

"state action" as opposed to the acts. That way, I can consistently maintain that although some truly terrible people probably got what was coming to them, I STILL don't want the state tinkering with the machinery of death.

samsingh

(17,598 posts)
13. that's why i'm not against the death penalty when it is probably applied like in this case
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:48 PM
Sep 2014

there is no ambiguity at all

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
6. I would think the mother should be punished even more.. how could she possibly allow this
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:04 PM
Sep 2014

to happen to her son???? This abuse must have occurred over a period of months, and the mother did NOTHING?

She should have been executed also, imho... and I'm not a death penalty person, because innocent people have been executed in the past, but this mother was as culpable as her friend.

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
7. I am arguing with myself right now.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:08 PM
Sep 2014

I think both of them should have gotten life w/o parole - ever.
leave em locked up in prison, and stay there.

but - it is difficult in this case it really is.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
12. The evidence here is vastly different from some other death penalty cases.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:28 PM
Sep 2014

1. Here, there seems to be no question the child was in her custody. In other words, this isn't a case where someone is shot in the middle of the night, and only one eyewitness may or may not have caught a glimpse of the shooter.

2. Here, the child's body was found an examined. There is no question of chain of custody of a murder weapon or a murder case where the body or the murder weapon was never found.

We know what happened here, so this case is very, very different. And what happened was so very, very bad. Sociopathic doesn't quite really capture it.

And that is why this may be a justifiable case of capital punishment.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
15. And thats the solution to the problem of a possible innocent being executed
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 05:50 PM
Sep 2014

Seek the DP ONLY in cases where there is ZERO doubt as to the guilt of the shooter. Gacy would be a good example. OJ Simpson would be a prime example of "some" doubt. A lot of fancy evidence, circumstantial, etc. If I were on a jury, I could've convicted OJ and sent him to jail. But NOT the needle.
There are MANY cases where the guilt of the offender is never in doubt. That should be the litmus test for the prosecutor

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
17. True that, except . . .
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:03 PM
Sep 2014

. . . some object to the death penalty on other grounds.

I don't know the numbers, but anecdotally it would seem the vast majority of those opposed base their opposition on the chance that the State would execute an innocent (and it has happened before).

But there is another group that object on grounds of morality or religion (and, I think they are supposed to be stricken as jurors if they do, but I could be wrong on that as well).

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
19. But people tamper with/plant evidence, D.A.s have political agendas, confessions are coerced, etc.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:11 PM
Sep 2014

And often the people involved in the crimes have mental issues, adding to the ambiguity. So the cases where there is zero percent doubt are pretty rare indeed.

Why not just err on the side of safety and give life in prison, which is a pretty terrible penalty?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
26. I'll tell you why,
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:38 PM
Sep 2014

#1- Too many criminals are just fine with life in prison
#2- Its only a matter of time before we have groups who will try to get "old" criminals released, saying that its now cruel to keep a 75 yr old in jail. They're no longer a threat, they're sick, whatever. Trust me, that will come soon.

And the zero percent is not really that rare. I'm not even considering eye witnesses and possible coerced confessions. There are plenty of examples of "caught red handed" or caught on the run. Caught in the act. Caught on film. Look at the Atlanta courthouse shooter a few years ago. ZERO doubt. I could name plenty others, but you get the point. I wouldnt accept anything in the gray area.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
28. To me, it's much worse if one innocent person is executed than if 1,000 guilty
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:02 PM
Sep 2014

spend life in prison or are released when they are 75.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
21. The only justification for taking a life . . .
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:31 PM
Sep 2014

. . . is the direct prevention of equal or greater loss of life. It's OK to kill someone to stop them from killing you or someone else.

But that's it.

I don't care what she did. They could put her in prison for life. There is no justification for killing her.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
29. Is it permissible to say I have no sympathy for someone who would do that to a child?
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:19 AM
Sep 2014

I'm glad such a person is no longer alive.

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