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And we know how much crap is flung his way.
As far as the old third way attacks, I offer a word to the wise, from someone who is more of a socialist than most here at DU:
I am far less generous toward that attitude
Dismissing the rights and concerns of people of color and women is reactionary. It is way more reactionary than Third Way. There is nothing progressive or liberal about it, and I don't consider people who do so to be leftists. Period.
I also consider a lot of this angst about corporatism to be strange, as though they have no conception of the country they live in. There has never been a President in this country that did not promote economic interests and there never will be as long as we remain a capitalist nation. For one thing our constitution makes property sacrosanct. It is a quintessential capitalist document. I might wish for a different political system, but I know enough history and political theory to understand the role of the capitalist state.
When I articulate those ideas, which are clearly Marxist in orientation, I am called a "centrist." It's nuts. What I am is politically pragmatic. I refuse to obsess about individuals, be it Snowden or Obama, and make political decisions based on the available options at the time.
I care about the NSA but I don't give a shit about Glen Greenwald or the boxes in Snowden's garage. None of that has any relevance to the conflict between national security and civil liberties or the actions of the NSA.
In fact, it's a way of avoiding substantive discussion on those issues. THAT is why I avoid those threads.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025220376
You have disappointed me SKP, with the personal nature of your attacks on Hillary, much like those made her of Obama and Kerry. This has been the cloud that has followed her since Arkansas, and her husband as well. It is the same kind of attitude that assumes Obama is liar, a fraud, whatever.
We aren't their close confidants, we only know them by reputation (from biased media) and their acts. Take a look at this with an open heart for a moment SKP, and you may find she is more liberal and progressive than you think.
Consider the time these votes were made and do not take them out of context of the times they were made. She has creds with many because of these, no matter what picture of her media has created. Note, this is not from a HRC friendly site:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm#Voting_Record
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Hillary_Clinton_Civil_Rights.htm#Voting_Record
http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Hillary_Clinton_Health_Care.htm#Voting_Record
http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Hillary_Clinton_Corporations.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Background_Corporations.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Hillary_Clinton_Education.htm#Voting_Record
http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Hillary_Clinton_Energy_+_Oil.htm#Voting_Record
http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Hillary_Clinton_Homeland_Security.htm#Voting_Record
http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Hillary_Clinton_Foreign_Policy.htm#Voting_Record
We are not the ones who are faced with negotiating with bunch of greedy GOP and insane baggers. When one takes a realistic view of what they are fighting back and have been fighting for years, idealism can get crushed and Maslow's pyramid comes into view. Just as many yelled that Obama betrayed them on UHC, consider what he had to work with. Yet he put UHC provisions in the ACA for states whose voters cared enough to get it done.
Warren supports Israel, is she under the bus with everyone now? So does Sanders, is he under the bus, too?
These are complicated people doing their best to serve the needs of the many. At times, strange bedfellows will appear, as no one person is all good or all bad.
You know the kind of flak you have gotten for your views on guns and your job, that were unfair. Does that mean those who we don't agree with you should be given a pass to call you RW?
I don't think so.
Would you throw Obama under the bus if he came out and supported HRC in 2016? Do you think that 2014 is not so vital, and we don't need all the help we can get?
Perhaps too many things to ask while you recover from brain surgery. Take care of yourself, and don't get upset, the last thing you need is an attack of HBP. I'm just asking you to exercize your some of your skills on this.
I admit too, that HRC comes off badly in the debates I've seen her in. The one with her in the primaries with DK, BO, Edwards, Gravel, etc. turned me off. So did those of her supporters who voted for McCain because he had a 'woman' on his ticket, really turned me off and they never came back to the party, at least the ones I knew didn't. It made a bad taste in my mouth that hasn't gone away.
But after Obama won the DNC nomination, she went on the campaign trail to try to pull her errant followers back into the fold. She gave full hearted endorsements and he accepted her with the graciousness I've come to expect from him. We won't get as a good a POTUS as we have had with him, not in my lifetime, I don't think. He was unique, there won't be another one like him.
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