Hillary Rodham Clinton Says Military Action In Iraq Is Essential
Source: Associated Press
OTTAWA, Ontario (AP) -- Hillary Rodham Clinton says military action against Islamic militants in Iraq and Syria is "essential" and the U.S. would turn away from the threat "at our peril."
Clinton, a potential 2016 presidential contender, gave a speech and took questions in Ottawa at a Canada2020 think tank event on Monday. She says the fight against militants will be a long-term struggle and says an information war on social media is needed, as well as an air war.
Clinton says there is bipartisan agreement on the dealing with Islamic State militants, which is to degrade and defeat them.
Asked about running for president, Clinton she is "thinking hard" but won't make her decision until after the upcoming midterm Congressional elections in November. She previously said she would decide early next year.
Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CN_CANADA_CLINTON_ISLAMIC_STATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-06-16-24-38
R.Quinn
(122 posts)should also be "essential".
Scuba
(53,475 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)She should switch to the Republican Party. If we wanted a Republican we would vote for one who admits what they are. If anything she is making it easier for Jeb Bush to slide in and have Bush power back. Hillary is close friends with the Bushes and she will work in tandem with them. We better dump her now or expect 30% of our party to break off and form a 3rd party...that 30% being the most active and vocal constituency.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Ater 2000 Bush Sr PUBLICLY referred to Bill Clinton as his 5th son.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)As he eloquently has said before.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)area51
(11,908 posts)Don't forget she started out in politics as a repub. She's a DINO. She'll toss a few bones to democrats but she's a republican in beliefs.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)for this and many other reasons.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)It's no secret. She gets nothing from me, no support, no votes, no contributions, nothing but active resistance and my funds and support for a real progressive.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)samsingh
(17,596 posts)Response to samsingh (Reply #4)
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samsingh
(17,596 posts)H2O Man
(73,537 posts)a war in Iraq -- a horrible idea, both then and now.
samsingh
(17,596 posts)H2O Man
(73,537 posts)need to be in the middle.
babylonsister
(171,065 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)continuation of war in the ME. I simply will not vote for her. I can't. I just wouldn't be able to make my fingers do it.
babylonsister
(171,065 posts)unless she does truly believe this. Who would she be trying to curry favor with, rethugs? She lost to Obama in large part because of her vote on Iraq. Do Dems no longer matter? Does she think she has it in the bag with us? She might want to think again. And if she pulls a McCain and changes her 'moral convictions', I will really be disgusted. Damage done already.
I won't vote for a republican no way/no how, so I guess we need to see how this shakes out.
Nay
(12,051 posts)A-OK? Really? Does she have any reason to think that any Repug would vote for her after the whole Vince Foster/Bengazi/assorted Pub bullshit propaganda has been swirling around for 15 years? Is she trying to get Pub women to vote for her because she's a woman too?
I just don't get it. For every Pub woman who'd be excited to have a female President, there are a thousand Dems who won't be able to force themselves to vote for her because she's so Republican. I just don't get it. I truly don't know what I'm going to do in the voting booth, it's that bad.
candelista
(1,986 posts)Top contributors to Hillary's presidential campaign: Citigroup, Goldman Sachs and
JPMorgan Chase. And the list goes on here:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=n00000019
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)24601
(3,962 posts)branches of governments and the prospective presidential candidates fell all over themselves to vote yes.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Iran will be on her list to please her benefactors.
blackcrowflies
(207 posts)not Left, not Center.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)My answer would have been "Dick Cheney".
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Though every time she points it out, she makes it harder for me to cast a vote for her.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)Put who you really are on the record for all to see. Marinate in it so everyone can smell it good when you strut around on that campaign trail like a queen awaiting her coronation.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)She just signaled we will be In middle east for years if she is elected.But,then again she admires Kissinger.She has learned nothing
about the bush years.
If Panetta's attacks on Obama was part of supporting her I will be pissed even though I am 100 % against US involvement In any
mid east war.
Hawkish foreign policy
In bed with wall street
The social safety net
These are all reasons why I don't support her.She is making it hard for me to hold my noise and vote for her if she wins nomination.
I am anyone but Hillary for the democratic Nomination.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... Panetta will have a permanent place in her Cabinet.
GeorgeGist
(25,320 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Pro TPP
Pro War
Pro Wall Street
Pro XL Pipeline
Pro Monsanto
She may have a "D" behind her name, but those aren't the policies I associate with the Democratic Party.
merrily
(45,251 posts)deciding who runs for the House and Senate. The takeover began with Bubba Clinton's successful run for the Presidency, with everyone seeming to forget conveniently how much Perot's runs help Bubba win both times.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... was originally a Republican, too. Do you know if there has been a history written up of the origins of the DLC?
merrily
(45,251 posts)A book about the DLC and what it has done to the Party would be good, but I don't know of one.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... maybe Will Pitt?
merrily
(45,251 posts)of the largest political parties. So, I don't know if anyone will publish it. Also don't know if anyone will give the access and honesty, even off the record, that a good book would need.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... there are some great investigative reporters who could whip out this story in no time flat. If I wasn't over the hill, so to speak, I could probably do it myself. Hedrick Smith could do it.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Republicans will diss it and so will Democrats. But, I'll defer to your expertise.. My sister has had many books published, but not political books--fiction or health- and most of the knowledge I have of the industry is though her.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... as the Democratic Party has been hijacked by DINOs. Dems got in bed with the Repubs, and it's turning into one big happy Republocratic Party. It's only a matter of time before someone writes it up.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I agree most people are clueless, but I don't know if anyone wants to hear it at this point. The mentality now seems to be that of ball fans. Root, root, root for the home team, no matter what. And, if pressed, we come down to the lesser of two evils and don't help a Republlican win and that seems to be enough. But, I don't have a crystal ball. For all I know, publishers will line up to publish and people will line up to buy and read. That I don't see that doesn't mean I am correct.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... that wants to know why things are the way they are. I was one of those kids that drove her parents crazy with that question: "Why?" Drove 'em nuts. Takes all kinds, merrily. Takes all kinds. Later, my friend...
merrily
(45,251 posts)And I take a lot of crap for that, even on this very Democratic board. If you try to keep the facts straight, instead of simply posting "K&R," you'll be accused of all kinds of things. I fea it's KoolAid time, be it cherry or grape.
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)The Rightwing Koch Brothers fund the DLC -- article from '06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414
CrossChris (641 posts) Thu Feb-24-11 11:32 AM
I saw this posted elsewhere recently, and thought this was very interesting to revisit:
http://www.democrats.com/node/7789
The Rightwing Koch Brothers fund the DLC
Do deep-pocketed "philanthropists" necessarily control the organizations they fund? That has certainly been the contention of those who truck in conspiracy theories about the Rockefeller and Ford Foundations funding liberal and neo-liberal organizations...As Bill Berkowitz writes, the Koch brothers have also been funding the Democratic Leadership Council.
According to SourceWatch, a project of the Center for Media & Democracy, the brothers are "leading contributors to the Koch family foundations, which supports a network of Conservative organizations and think tanks, including Citizens for a Sound Economy, the Manhattan Institute the Heartland Institute, and the Democratic Leadership Council."
This is no less stunning than if Scaife or the Coors family were funding the DLC. So do the Kochs just throw money at the DLC -- as long as the Council supports a free-market" (i.e. unrestricted/unregulated corporate power) agenda that the Kochs generally agree with. Or is it more than just that -- does this really buttress what Greens and other disaffected liberals contend -- that the DNC has just become a party of "Republicrats", thanks especially to the DLC? They would say that corporate backers like the rightwing/libertarian Kochs have co-opted the Democratic establishment -- a hostile takeover of (what was once) the opposition. (continued)
Koch Industries gave funding to the DLC and served on its Executive Council
http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html
It's fashionable to hate the Kochs. But the Clintons didn't.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)I've been sitting here reading all, including the links. I am convinced that the Koch Bros are responsible for the divide in the Democratic Party. I can remember seeing the DLC meetings on C-Span back in the first days of it's existence. I'm going to go see if I can find some of them in the C-Span archives. I would like to know the names of the DLC panelists. I can almost see their faces, but can't remember who they were. Again, thanks!
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)difficult nights
or something
rurallib
(62,413 posts)ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)vote for her. My wife and I and the seniors we care for are too old to lose our entitlements, which I
believe Clinton would try to reduce.
started receiving my worked for SSI entitlements in 2009, haven't had a worthwhile COLA in all these years. Wat bullshit america gives to it's discarded citizens. I can't see HRC being any kinder than I've seen so far.
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senz
(11,945 posts)that a Republican president would go after our senior citizen entitlements way faster than any Democrat. The time to head her off is at the pass known as the primary. We need a progressive alternative.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)win, even if he changes Parties, IMO. We need someone like George Clooney to run. Someone with charisma.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)candelista
(1,986 posts)He just spent $1.6 million on his wedding.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)she's a Human Rights Lawyer. Clooney and his friends have their own satellite watching warlords in Sudan. And both these people are already rich. Can we elect a president for once who is a know liberal rather than a media-created one? Having said that, I'm not so sure it matters anymore...
Nay
(12,051 posts)At least we'd have a real firebrand on our side. And, sad to say, that would bring votes out from people who spend most of their time watching TV and eating cheese doodles. . .
You should ask him. Or ask your influential friends on the DNC to ask him. I'll do the same.
Nay
(12,051 posts)a total tool. This is getting old.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)...to the profit margins of her campaign donors.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)She said air war. Plus a presence in social media. Not quite the warmongering I feared when I read these responses.
And to the poster who thinks she's going to come after his retirement benefits, where in the world did THAT idea come from? Show me an article that says she's contemplating that! Sheesh. That's the Republicans like Paul Ryan's bailiwick.
candelista
(1,986 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)geomon666
(7,512 posts)Sorry if that offends some people but I can't do it, Democratic candidate or not.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)mantra started beating again.
Ugh.
dembotoz
(16,802 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)"I will not stand by as peril draws closer and closer."
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/bush.speech.txt/
I get so tired of re-runs.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Here she is, droning on for war in 2002.
Only recently, she finally called her vote on the first Iraq war a mistake. But, not one she's learned from, apparently.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... she has broken for the right. Because she has seen her base move farther and farther away from her. Away from the warring, away from the Corporatocracy. Hey, I'd love to have a first Lady President, but not an "Iron Lady." Hillary has changed. She's not the same Hillary she was is 1993.
senz
(11,945 posts)gets in their way is an enemy. Her "base" comprises anyone who wants her for president. That is the qualifier. That is the only qualifier. That's what she stands for.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... switch back to the Republican Party? This is one of the ways that politicians on both sides of the isle have confused the electorate. OR it's just the two-party system we are glued to. Where is it in the Constitution that says we have to have a two-Party system exclusively?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Factions, yes, parties, no. Now, we have parties AND factions. and factions within parties.
We need a new system, for sure.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... lobbying for NO parties.
merrily
(45,251 posts)A lot of what has come down to us about Washington as fact turns out to be unverifiable via primary sources of his day, like the bit about his adding "so help me God" after the oath of office as written in the Constitution. The allegation about Washington, though, been used to make an issue of it for every inauguration. I believe Washington was also used when they decided on a limit of two terms. He refused to run a third time. Maybe he was just tired, after leading the troops with no money through the revolution, and serving as the first Pres. under the US constitution for 8 years, but his choice got enshrined in the Constitution because Republicans were so pissed off that FDR got re-elected so many times, even when he was all but deceased.
Inasmuch as incumbents often win re-election, if they choose to run, that means we often get a President for over four years who is both a lame duck and impervious to voters, but needing to raise money for his library/legacy Not really ideal. (I am not sure what is ideal and I vacillate about term limits, but I don't like elected officials being impervious to voters.)
So, I don't worry about Washington. He did amazing stuff, and I am grateful and full of awe, but even he was not perfect and that was then.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)I definitely don't worship him. But I was just saying that I remember his feelings about being against the establishment of "Parties." Thomas Jefferson figures into the conversation somehow. I should be able to find it pretty quick. Will come back and edit this when I find it.
Edit: to add info about George Washington's feelings about political parties:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/opinion/alexander-washington-george/
merrily
(45,251 posts)the system of political parties. His party was ideologically not like the Democratic Party of say, FDR, though. But, they do trace the "lineage" of today's Democratic Party back to him.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Didn't she also try to out-hawk that dumbass McCain (I will NEVER forgive him for foisting Sarah Palin on us, I could have lived my whole life without even knowing that woman existed) on Iran and say we needed to have war in Iran too? IIRC, she did. It makes me wonder if there is a war she doesn't think is essential to have.
gerogie2
(450 posts)it will be a cake walk just like the last time.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Iran, Iraq, and beyond!
Clinton says U.S. could "totally obliterate" Iran
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/04/22/us-usa-politics-iran-idUSN2224332720080422
On the day of a crucial vote in her nomination battle against fellow Democrat Barack Obama, the New York senator said she wanted to make clear to Tehran what she was prepared to do as president in hopes that this warning would deter any Iranian nuclear attack against the Jewish state.
"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran (if it attacks Israel)," Clinton said in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America."
"In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them," she said.
"That's a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic," Clinton said.
candelista
(1,986 posts)jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)I will not vote for a warmonger.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)THIS just makes it WORSE! Can't we Democrats do better?? PLEEEEZE!! I just think this is the wrong way to go. Didn't she already say she shouldn't have voted for war before? I could be wrong, but she's made so many comments lately that are making me wonder who the hell she is anyway!
Doesn't sound much like a Democrat, and the KISSINGER stuff is OFF THE WALL!
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)Air war & social media? Like she'd stop there. We're talking slippery slope, like Vietnam - where we started out with "military advisers". Keep those MIC profits, dividends, board memberships, stock prices and corporate"donations" (cough-bribes-cough) to the Clinton Foundation coming - because the Clintons can never have enough power and money.
rpannier
(24,329 posts)And have at it Hoss
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cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Last I checked, Bernie is not even a democrat ... he has always been an independent.
Perhaps people who support Bernie Sanders against a card carrying democrat (and against DU's TOS to boot) should form a new "Independents Underground" and hold a jubilant party there.
Also, war against ISIS is a policy of President Obama and HRC is simply supporting her president. She may be positioning herself as more hawkish so that independents would not be swayed by repukes by brainwashing them into thinking that HRC is soft.
Candidates always position themselves for the electorate --- how they actually govern is quite different. How many of you have felt the spirit of "Yes We Can" after Obama's election? Wall Street crooks are still on their yachts, Bush and Cheney are not in The Hague facing war crimes and there is no comprehensive immigration reform. Still.
It is time to see who is electable and who is not. Then cut some slack to HRC -- she is still advocating a woman's right to choose, control of firearms, increase in minimum wage, LGBT rights and minority rights - issues that are dear to democrats.
senz
(11,945 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Yeah, in recent memory they have all moved right once elected. If Clinton follows suit, we can look forward to even more belligerent foreign policy than she's already signaled.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)sending more kids to war, more poverty for the poor, we should all just "lie back and think of the motherland?"
beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)+1
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)we need more war. I would love to see these people's portfolios.
merrily
(45,251 posts)24601
(3,962 posts)husband who signed the law that made Iraq regime change US policy? And didn't she imply that she was a full partner in all his important decisions?
So why would we think she had changed? Sure, the words may change, but not her judgment or deeply held beliefs.
candelista
(1,986 posts)Opportunists usually don't have any.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)With her donations already through the Roof from Wall Street Donors and other Scurrilous Characters before she's even Declared her Candidacy for 2016......What can one say except:
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I personally can't vote for her because of her admiration for Kissinger so if she's the Democratic candidate I will not vote at all for the first time in my life.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)The choice for president might not be to your liking, but you may have some local elections that are just as important
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)obxhead
(8,434 posts)War, tax cuts, and profit for the 1%.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)modeforjoe
(15 posts)I have seen a long overdue shift at DU which pleases me. Formerly, posts and articles on DU seemed principally focused on criticism of Republicans--which is the wrong way to go about this thing. Making fun of Boehner and Co. is not the same as kicking your own forces into line, making them adhere to democratic and socialist principles. The way to make the Democratic party stronger is to force its leaders to an accounting; to refuse to let them get away with supporting republican ideas and policies without censure--simply because they are D's. Which, yes, means that we attack D's when necessary, and that attack (for the good of the order) is a higher priority than masturbatory mocking Boehner & Company.
The oil tanker of state (I was tempted to say ship of state) will not change course until the D's acquire a strong, clear progressive voice. The votes will come later, and I am willing to sacrifice an election or two (long view vs short term view I know) in order to get there. And yes, I am even willing to endure a come to Jesus moment when the country collapses because of Republican victories in the short term. Revolutions are not born out of convenience or comfort, and the more I read the news, it seems that Americans are too comfortable and too smug to realize what is at stake. Until they and the nation hit bottom. And all bottoms are first steps towards a higher place--yes, to be feared, but not fatal in the greater scheme of things.
That's why we voted for Obama, but because he hasn't had the courage to go down to defeat while advocating for what is right (and Reverend Wright was Right!), we can't choose more of the same next time around.
ISIS is Obama's war. I propose that his future speaking fees be donated to meeting the cost of this folly. That's the least we can expect from one who has violated so many hopes and promises of those who needed a leader who believed.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Yes, we do need to corral the Democrats and drag them towards the light. On a presidential level, I am relectant to "lose an election" for the greater good, why, because we tried that already in 2000.
Simply put, what W. taught us is that the GOP will make a crisis to stay in power, and that the results of that crisis will cost many lives inside and outside the USA. It is one thing to lay American lives on the altar, it is another to lay the lives of others, especially the third world types that will die by the thousands.
merrily
(45,251 posts)And Gore won that election anyway.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)It's gonna start in the remnants of the old Ottoman Empire.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,869 posts)She needs to think harder IMO.
U.S. OUT OF IRAQ!!!!
Paper Roses
(7,473 posts)Response to Purveyor (Original post)
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yurbud
(39,405 posts)hegemonic control of the Middle East, and THEN say military action was essential.
It's offensive to see a Democratic candidate repeating brain dead, right wing talking points.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Need.More.War.
Just say NO to Hillary Clinton.
Reter
(2,188 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)"ISIS is growing in strength. It has money, it has organization, it has the capacity to inflict real damage. So when we think about a response we have to think about how to destroy that," Warren told Yahoo's Katie Couric.
Warren agreed that "time is of the essence."
"We need to be working now, full-speed ahead, with other countries, to destroy ISIS. That should be our No. 1 priority," she said in a wide-ranging interview promoting her latest book, A Fighting Chance.
http://thehill.com/policy/international/216559-warren-destroying-isis-should-be-our-no-1-priority
candelista
(1,986 posts)And do it "full speed ahead," whatever that means. All Liz supporters should see this. When it comes to bloodlust, she is no different from Hilary.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)My heart be still. Someone please bring the smelling salts. People will be fainting around here.
DeadEyeDyck
(1,504 posts)She is anticipating a more war hungry demographic by then. If America is struck by another 911 type attack, she will be right. If we lose another 2000 troops, over there, she will have been wrong.
As SOS, she had access to information few others are privy too. Methinks she is doing some inside trading, so to speak.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)She's an unrepentant Bush regime collaborator.