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Scalded Nun

(1,236 posts)
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:23 AM Oct 2014

Obama will name Ron Klain as Ebola Czar

Source: CNN

President Barack Obama will appoint Ron Klain his "Ebola czar," knowledgeable sources tell CNN.

The president on Thursday signaled his openness to the idea to have one individual coordinating the entire federal response to any threat of an outbreak in the United States.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/politics/ebola-czar-ron-klain/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



That's funny.

I thought we already had one...The Surgeon General.

Oh, wait. The fucking republicans have NOT ALLOWED a Surgeon General in to this administration.

Can't believe I forgot that already, it has played so well on the news these last few weeks...NOT
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Obama will name Ron Klain as Ebola Czar (Original Post) Scalded Nun Oct 2014 OP
Well that's the smartest way around not having a Surgeon General LynneSin Oct 2014 #1
^^^THIS = Correct answer^^^ Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #31
This is a case where the President can demand gaving a surgeon general Botany Oct 2014 #2
Reid is blocking the vote. former9thward Oct 2014 #5
LA Times Why don't we have an Ebola 'czar,' Sen. McCain? Because of the NRA Botany Oct 2014 #8
Reid controls whether there is a vote or not. former9thward Oct 2014 #21
I wonder if he hasn't called a vote because of: Botany Oct 2014 #26
The 60 vote veto has been eliminated. former9thward Oct 2014 #29
Maybe Pryor, Landreaux, Hagan and Begich will push Reid for a vote Yupster Oct 2014 #52
It would be a problem for the NRA Turbineguy Oct 2014 #27
Political guy - no healthcare experience hugo_from_TN Oct 2014 #3
very political Enrique Oct 2014 #9
Lack of seriousness is evident Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #28
Might not be a bad move if he knows how to get things done he just needs a team of medical advisors JudyM Oct 2014 #37
Why can't we have both? Shemp Howard Oct 2014 #45
hey, the head of the Ohio Dept. of Health has no health experience either, so it's all good!! kath Oct 2014 #47
Howard Dean thinks it will work.. I'm going with Dean over the anonymous naysayers.. Cha Oct 2014 #54
The Surgeon General is a physician. GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #4
He wants someone to keep the epidemiologists under control. candelista Oct 2014 #14
It is not news because republicans have nothing to do with it. former9thward Oct 2014 #6
Something very odd is going on here. Shemp Howard Oct 2014 #7
Maybe it's not Reid but a number of other Dems beholding to the NRA. nt valerief Oct 2014 #12
Good point Shemp Howard Oct 2014 #16
As many as 10 of the 55 Democratic senators are believed to oppose Murthy. branford Oct 2014 #20
If that's the case, then Obama Yupster Oct 2014 #53
IMHO, Sen. Reid and those NRA Dems are cowards KeepItReal Oct 2014 #19
Or they oppose the nominee hugo_from_TN Oct 2014 #22
And that is probably the real deal KeepItReal Oct 2014 #32
I thought we had a Surgeon General samplegirl Oct 2014 #40
Lushniak is the Acting Surgeon General... Shemp Howard Oct 2014 #41
Wait until you see the Republicans next October surprise.... ballyhoo Oct 2014 #13
Reid is protecting the Blue Dogs that will vote with the Republicans. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #25
Wow. Civics FAIL. The Surgeon General has nothing whatsoever to do kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #10
Exactly! CDC should be in charge. If Frieden can't do it replace him. hugo_from_TN Oct 2014 #23
It's time to stop screwing around TheCowsCameHome Oct 2014 #11
There is no objection to having Surgeon General. branford Oct 2014 #17
Since this is a global issue, shouldn't a "czar" be from the U.N.? valerief Oct 2014 #15
The Republicans have an idea.... ballyhoo Oct 2014 #18
Stupid Jeff Darcy..you would drag him out..Shameless CPD Editorial & Cartoon Attacks & Misrepresents Cha Oct 2014 #42
Great, another lawyer Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #24
This is a terrible move. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #30
"Heckuva a job, Brownie" 7962 Oct 2014 #33
Obummer. Not a doctor. No health care experience at all. Just a crony. PSPS Oct 2014 #34
That was SO dumb nitpicker Oct 2014 #35
Oh it was so "dumb".. that Howard Dean thinks it's a good idea.. going with Dean and not the cheap Cha Oct 2014 #55
"Obummer"? Asshole RW Epithet for President Obama. Cha Oct 2014 #38
Obummer? You're totally not obvious. nt geek tragedy Oct 2014 #49
Stupid move Carolina Oct 2014 #36
Who is Ron Klain, who will lead the Obama administration’s response to Ebola? Cha Oct 2014 #39
Perceptions matter! Shemp Howard Oct 2014 #43
If he had the same DU resident netdiots would whistler162 Oct 2014 #44
Sigh...you're probably right. (nt) Shemp Howard Oct 2014 #46
If Ron Klain gets the job done it won't matter that he doesn't meet others expectations. Cha Oct 2014 #48
The job of the Czar is to manage and coordinate. Mz Pip Oct 2014 #50
Exactly Mz Pip.. Howard Dean agrees.. Cha Oct 2014 #56
No Surgeon General - talk 840high Oct 2014 #51
Why? Why not just call out the Surgeon General obstructionists instead? Scuba Oct 2014 #57
Amen x 1,000! TheCowsCameHome Oct 2014 #58
More. proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #59

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
31. ^^^THIS = Correct answer^^^
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 02:32 PM
Oct 2014

Yes, and maybe it will also help to tamp down the fear Americans have been expressing about ebola.

Especially after the mainstream media didn't do such a good job informing the American public that there is very little chance of contracting ebola.

Now President Obama has appointed a man to the job of dealing with ebola.

President Obama has done everything he can legally do to stop the ebola crisis.

The fear mongering will continue, however.


Botany

(70,504 posts)
2. This is a case where the President can demand gaving a surgeon general
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:31 AM
Oct 2014

Somebody whose job is all about ebola is fine but we need a Srugeon General ....
A.L.G. in Kentucky should be getting after Mitch McConnell for his blocking of any
vote on President Obama's pick for Surgeon General.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
8. LA Times Why don't we have an Ebola 'czar,' Sen. McCain? Because of the NRA
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:48 AM
Oct 2014

At the moment, we don't have a surgeon general. And for that, blame belongs to the fourth branch of government, the National Rifle Assn.

The NRA has put the kibosh on Dr. Vivek Murthy, whom President Obama nominated to the post last November, after the resignation of Surgeon Gen. Regina Benjamin. The NRA's complaint was that Murthy called guns "a health care issue" in a 2012 tweet. It's worth noting that the tweet came out almost two months, to the day, before the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, in which Adam Lanza's gunfire took the lives of 20 children and six adults. One might take Murthy's comment as, if anything, a grotesque understatement.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-81656275/

former9thward

(32,006 posts)
21. Reid controls whether there is a vote or not.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 12:37 PM
Oct 2014

The NRA does not unless there has been a change in the Senate rules allowing them to stop votes. Reid could call a vote on this today if he wanted to.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
26. I wonder if he hasn't called a vote because of:
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 01:11 PM
Oct 2014

a) Some senators are afraid of the NRA

b) McConnell will block it w/his "you need 60 votes pocket veto"

f9t

former9thward

(32,006 posts)
29. The 60 vote veto has been eliminated.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 01:30 PM
Oct 2014

The Senate changed that rule late last year for Presidential appointments. Some senators may be afraid of the NRA but that is no excuse to not have an up or down vote and put people on the record.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
52. Maybe Pryor, Landreaux, Hagan and Begich will push Reid for a vote
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 02:28 AM
Oct 2014

I bet they're anxious to pick a fight with the NRA right now.

No, Reid is protecting his vulnerable members from taking the vote before the election.

Maybe lame duck session.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
28. Lack of seriousness is evident
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 01:26 PM
Oct 2014

Putting a political agent in charge of this effort is exactly the wrong thing to do. Why couldn't he pick someone non-political whose credentials are beyond dispute? What exactly was the motivation to pick someone with zero experience in the field?

Obama desperately needs some advisors from OUTSIDE his inner circle.

JudyM

(29,248 posts)
37. Might not be a bad move if he knows how to get things done he just needs a team of medical advisors
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 07:34 PM
Oct 2014

under him.

Better than putting in a medical expert who doesn't know how to coordinate a nationwide effort.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
45. Why can't we have both?
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:51 PM
Oct 2014

What is needed here is a medical expert who knows how to coordinate a nationwide effort. A high-ranking military doctor would fit the bill.

kath

(10,565 posts)
47. hey, the head of the Ohio Dept. of Health has no health experience either, so it's all good!!
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:55 PM
Oct 2014

Cronyism is GREAT! For Kasich in Ohio, and everywhere else!

Cha

(297,229 posts)
54. Howard Dean thinks it will work.. I'm going with Dean over the anonymous naysayers..
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 04:47 AM
Oct 2014

Howard Dean on Ron Klain.. "We've got to manage this thing. I think Klain is a good manager..."

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5683312

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
14. He wants someone to keep the epidemiologists under control.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:59 AM
Oct 2014

Otherwise they might propose something politically risky.

former9thward

(32,006 posts)
6. It is not news because republicans have nothing to do with it.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:45 AM
Oct 2014

Reid refuses to allow a vote on Surgeon General. People should demand he allow an up or down vote. There is no filibuster allowed on Presidential appointments. That was changed last year.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
7. Something very odd is going on here.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:47 AM
Oct 2014

The President has nominated Dr. Vivek Murthy for surgeon general. It should be a simple matter to get him confirmed.

All Sen. Reid needs to do is call the Senate back into session, and then schedule a vote. Since the "nuclear option" is in effect, only 51 votes are needed. What the Republicans want or don't want doesn't matter.

Why doesn't Reid call for a vote? I suspect that Reid is afraid of the NRA, who are opposing Murthy. It's time for Reid to decide: listen to the President or listen to the NRA.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
16. Good point
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 12:04 PM
Oct 2014

Last edited Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:20 PM - Edit history (1)

I hadn't thought of that. Perhaps six or more Democratic senators have already told Reid that they won't support Dr. Murthy.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
53. If that's the case, then Obama
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 02:33 AM
Oct 2014

needs to nominate someone else. Someone who actually has the support of his own party.

Doesn't seem like this should be so complicated.

Ten Democratic senators tell Reid they won't support.

Reid tells the President he just doesn't have the votes.

The President nominates someone else.

Is this so complicated?

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
19. IMHO, Sen. Reid and those NRA Dems are cowards
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 12:25 PM
Oct 2014

Put it on the record with and up or down vote for Surgeon General

Can't blame the GOP for this BS

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
41. Lushniak is the Acting Surgeon General...
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:27 PM
Oct 2014

He has 16 years CDC experience, including time with the anthrax team. For what I've read about him, Lushniak would have made a good choice for "Ebola Czar".

Rule of thumb:

Legal crisis? Appoint an experienced lawyer.
Medical crisis? Appoint an experienced doctor.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
25. Reid is protecting the Blue Dogs that will vote with the Republicans.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 01:10 PM
Oct 2014

Do Democrats have control of the Senate? Not when some of those Democrats are Blue Dogs.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
10. Wow. Civics FAIL. The Surgeon General has nothing whatsoever to do
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:54 AM
Oct 2014

with infectious disease emergency response other than being the titular head of the US Public Health Service (one of the uniformed services).

Centers for DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION are in charge of epidemic response. Frieden heads CDC.

Granted, many PHS officers (there are no "enlisted&quot work at CDC, but they work a lot of places.

Yes, we do need a permanent Surgeon General rather than the acting Surgeon General already in charge. But it's not like US PHS is rudderless.

Stop payingattention to the idiots in the MSM (and I don't mean just FauxNooz).

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
11. It's time to stop screwing around
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:55 AM
Oct 2014

Make the case for having a Surgeon General - take to the airwaves, if necessary, Mr. Obama - NOW!

This silly dancing-around shit is getting to be too much for my liking.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
17. There is no objection to having Surgeon General.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 12:12 PM
Oct 2014

The objection is to Vivek Murthy as Surgeon General. That's more than a slight distinction.

If Obama nominated non-controversial physician, particularly one with a military background and/or substantial experience with infectious diseases, I believe the nomination would sail through the Senate (at least when they are back in-session).

If you or Obama believe that Murthy is the best choice for the job, you need to convince Democratic Senators who think that his gun stance is anathema to their electorate and political prospects. Moreover, if he Ebola issue is the reason why a permanent Surgeon General is necessary immediately, you need to explain how Murthy is uniquely or specially skilled or gifted for such a task.

Cha

(297,229 posts)
42. Stupid Jeff Darcy..you would drag him out..Shameless CPD Editorial & Cartoon Attacks & Misrepresents
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:32 PM
Oct 2014
Wendy Davis



"The Cleveland Plain-Dealer's Jeff Darcy did some mansplaining via a cartoon in Saturday's edition, not only completely misrepresenting Wendy Davis and her position on abortion in general, but also stating in an accompanying editorial that her shoes are "blood-red pink" and claiming that she's an "advocate" of late-term abortions, stated in a way that would insinuate that she is actually pro-abortion."

It's hard to know which is more pathetic -- that the cartoon so misrepresents the motives and words of Texas Senator Wendy Davis, or that Darcy himself appears to be woefully unaware that there are still health risks to the mother and the child that can be discovered after 20 weeks. The frustratingly ignorant crux of his argument completely belies the reality that the majority of abortions after 20 weeks are ending wanted pregnancies and are performed specifically because of concerns for the safety of the mother, or because the child has been determined to have what will be a terminal condition, if it even survives to term. No, as far as Darcy is concerned, Wendy Davis is some late-term abortion fetishist that wants to make Texas a haven for baby killers. His language gives no room for even the suggestion of an understanding that there might actually be medically viable reasons for an abortion after 20 weeks."

More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/07/1221772/-Shameless-Editorial-Cartoon-Attacks-and-Misrepresents-Wendy-Davis

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
35. That was SO dumb
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 07:21 PM
Oct 2014

I don't know what got into Obama (other than century-old swamp gas) (or sheer panic).

Expect the Gross Old Party to make hay out of this.

Cha

(297,229 posts)
55. Oh it was so "dumb".. that Howard Dean thinks it's a good idea.. going with Dean and not the cheap
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 04:51 AM
Oct 2014

pots shots spewing venom on the internet. Who gives a shit what the gop fuckwads say?

Howard Dean on Ron Klain.. "We've got to manage this thing. I think Klain is a manger."

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5683312

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
36. Stupid move
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 07:33 PM
Oct 2014

We already have MBAs wrecking the healthcare system and now this... a lawyer as the Ebola czar

We need physicians, nurses, epidemiologists... some one with experience in infectious disease, public health, etc. NOT a fucking lawyer!

Cha

(297,229 posts)
39. Who is Ron Klain, who will lead the Obama administration’s response to Ebola?
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:02 PM
Oct 2014
"Ron Klain has been asked by the President to coordinate the U.S. Ebola response, so he will be taking a leave of absence," Steve and Jean Case said in a statement. "We applaud the President’s selection, as Ron is a talented manager and a wise counselor who understands government, business, and the non-profit sectors. We wish him the best as he takes on this important task, and we look forward to welcoming him back soon.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/10/17/who-is-ron-klain-who-will-lead-the-obama-administrations-response-to-ebola/

LOl.. the rw assholes in the comment section of the WAPO are whining about this appointment, too. Such ignorance. They know nothing about it.. but they do know it's a chance to spew their venom on the President.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
43. Perceptions matter!
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:41 PM
Oct 2014

Don't get me wrong. This Ebola situation needs a very talented coordinator at the top. And Ron Klain might be perfectly suited for the job.

But perceptions matter. They matter a lot! Mark my words. Because he's a lawyer and not a medical professional, any minor mistakes that Klain makes will be blown way out of proportion. This will hurt the President. Once again, Obama will have to play defense. And you don't score points while on defense.

IMHO, the President should have appointed a well-respected retired military doctor.

Cha

(297,229 posts)
48. If Ron Klain gets the job done it won't matter that he doesn't meet others expectations.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:02 PM
Oct 2014

"President Obama has asked Ron Klain to coordinate the government’s comprehensive response to Ebola. He will report to the President Obama’s Homeland Security Advisor Lisa Monaco and his National Security Advisor Susan Rice.

As former Chief of Staff to two Vice Presidents, Klain comes to the job with extensive experience in overseeing complex governmental operations and has good working relationships with leading Members of Congress as well as senior Administration officials.

Klain’s talent and managerial skill will be crucial in providing the resources and expertise we need to rapidly, cohesively, and effectively respond to Ebola at home and abroad. As the President said, while "the dangers of a serious outbreak are extraordinarily low" in the U.S., "we are taking this very seriously at the highest levels of government." Klain will be an integral part of ensuring that we effectively respond and ultimately bring an end to Ebola.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/10/17/president-obama-names-ron-klain-coordinate-us-response-ebola


Mz Pip

(27,445 posts)
50. The job of the Czar is to manage and coordinate.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:29 PM
Oct 2014

He's not there to cure Ebola. I don't get the fuss over this. If the guy is a good manager and coordinator and can lend some organization to this mess then WTF is the problem?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
57. Why? Why not just call out the Surgeon General obstructionists instead?
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 08:44 AM
Oct 2014

Oh, because some of them claim to be Democrats? Well, call them on that bullshit.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
58. Amen x 1,000!
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 09:09 AM
Oct 2014

In my entire lifetime I have never seen our government this screwed up.

What a sorry state of affairs.............

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