Baby killed in Jerusalem terror attack was American citizen

[Baclava]

Source: WPXI

The U.S. State Department says the 3-month-old baby killed in a suspected terrorist attack in Jerusalem was reportedly an American citizen.

Wednesday evening, a Palestinian man drove onto a sidewalk in a busy intersection in Jerusalem, plowed through several passengers and crashed into a light rail station, injuring eight people and killing the American infant.

A medic and first responder described the incident from eyewitness accounts: "They said the car came out of nowhere. The stroller flew into the air and the baby was found 10 meters away from the stroller.”

The U.S. government hasn't released any further details about the American baby and hasn't said if they plan any kind of response. Meanwhile, Israeli authorities do believe the incident was an act of terrorism. And the spokesperson for Israel's Prime Minister's Office said the 21-year-old suspect was, in fact, a member of Hamas.


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Israeli police officers inspect a car at the scene of an attack in Jerusalem, Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2014. A Palestinian motorist with a history of anti-Israel violence slammed his car into a crowded train station in Jerusalem on Wednesday, killing a three-month-old baby girl and wounding several people in what police called a terror attack. Associated Press

[jtuck004]

1. "...the incident was an act of terrorism" <- Ha. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. n/t

[HERVEPA]

2. It was an act of terrorism. That's why it is called such.

And, standard disclaimer, I detest Netanyahu.

[YvonneCa]

10. SOS link...

... http://m.state.gov/md233279.htm

[The Stranger]

43. I think the problem with that is when Israel was murdering Palestinian babies by the thousands,

the line coming from many here was "It's Hamas' fault" and "this is war -- get used to it."

You can go back through the posting history and find these posts.

[KingCharlemagne]

53. When the strong attack the weak, the strong defend it by calling it 'war.' When

the weak resist the strong, the strong condemn it by calling it 'terrorism.'

N.B. The British imperialists condemned the Zionist freedom fighters in British-mandate Palestine as 'terrorists' back in 1945-46. See how that works?

[HERVEPA]

54. You can take your pompous "See how that works?" and ....

Regardless of anything in the past, driving a car into a baby isn't "resistance". You are warped.

[KingCharlemagne]

55. What do you call missile strikes on Palestinian babies in Gaza then, speaking

of warped?

Oh, yeah, about that 'warped' thing:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/15/world/middleeast/israelis-watch-bombs-drop-on-gaza-from-front-row-seats.html?ref=world&_r=0

[HERVEPA]

57. Babies were killed. Babies weren't targeted.

One side elected a government that denies the other side's right to exist.
One doesn't.

One had a military purpose, whether or not you (I don't) agree with it.
The other is straight out terrorism, no matter how much you deny. One side got its people killed for no purpose.
The other didn't.

[KingCharlemagne]

58. "Babies weren't targeted." Why don't we let an elected member of the Israeli Knesset

comment on this?

Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.

Ayelet Shaked, Member of Israeli Parliament

Quoted in http://zcomm.org/sendpress/eyJpZCI6NzMwNzA5LCJ2aWV3IjoiZW1haWwifQ/

Sorry to pop your little pro-Israeli agit-prop bubble, but Hamas agreed to join a Palestinian Unity Government back in April 2014, one founded upon a recognition of Israel's right to exist, a renunciation of violence and an acceptance of all previously-negotiated accords. This (Palestinian unity) was something Netanyahu and his cronies could not abide. Why, they (Likud) might actually have to negotiate with those Palestinian 'snakes.'

[HERVEPA]

62. One asshole speaking. Not the Israeli government.

And I do detest Netanyahu. And your smarmy writing style is not going to win you any converts.

And Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist. I suspect you don't either.

And I'm done.

[totodeinhere]

3. Just because one side commits terrorism doesn't mean that we cannot also call out the

other side when it does it.

[jtuck004]

7. Absolutely correct. As long as one does both. n/t

[LanternWaste]

27. When relevant. Otherwise, it's merely petulance.

"As long as one does both..."

When relevant. Otherwise, it's merely petulance.

[leftynyc]

40. So if I take the time

to go back through your posts from the summer during the bombing of Gaza, I'll surely find you pointing out that hamas are terrorists who kidnapped Israeli teenagers and killed them - y'know, just to balance things out. Right?

[leftynyc]

4. Do you feel better now?

Now that you've ignored a dead American child so you can bash Israel. Does it warm your heart to laugh about it? Putting "ha" in your post told me all I need to know.

[jtuck004]

8. Didn't ignore anything, other than you. n/t

[leftynyc]

13. You do realize everyone can see your post,

don't you? Nothing about the dead child, nothing about the killer, only bashing Israel with the word "ha" right there in your post. It's right there and yet you deny it - how pathetic.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

48. What about the other innocent victims?

Why is the American child of import. Others died, too, in that incident.

[leftynyc]

56. I realize that, however

I doubt very much that someone who doesn't give a shit about an American baby is going to give a shit about any Israeli's. That poster's attitude on this thread has been nauseating.

[LeftishBrit]

5. There is terrorism on both sides; that doesn't make it right

The victim here was an innocent BABY.

[jtuck004]

6. More victims here than just a baby, but it's a convenient way to rationalize, eh? n/t

[HERVEPA]

11. Your prejudices come shining through here.

[jtuck004]

12. Maybe they aren't ALL mine. <G> n/t

[leftynyc]

14. They certainly do

And he/she obviously thinks the rest of us are too dimwitted to realize it. His post said nothing about the victims, nothing about the killer - only bashing of Israel. It's so obvious it's nauseating. But this type will typically put anyone who calls them on it on ignore and pretend everyone agrees with their position. It's pathetic.

[HERVEPA]

39. Yep. Pathetic is about right.

[Baclava]

15. You want to tell her parents that?

[jtuck004]

16. Perhaps the same thing you would tell the parents of the babies Israel blows up, or the ones WE

blow up with our drones?

It's wrong. On all sides. And I don't need a baby to hide behind to say it.

[jtuck004]

19. Oh, so NOW you gonna turn all classy? lol. What a great side you chose

Mothers of all Palestinians must be killed: Israeli MP

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mothers/

Not enough to kill, harass, and herd Palestians into a reservation like we did, and do, to Native Americans, but wants to go in a kill off their mothers so they can't continue.

Wrong, on all sides, perhaps especially the one you've chosen.

Good luck with that. And bye.

[LeftishBrit]

22. Ayelet Shaked is vile too, and PressTV is an unreliable source largely controlled by the Iranian

government.

Wrong on all sides indeed. And no one here has been suggesting otherwise, except in your fevered imagination.

[Archae]

24. We have congresscritters who say even worse things.

Just look at the anti-gay and anti-Muslim hysteria from congress, and the right-wing noise machine.

Just yesterday Gomer from Texas made a complete ass of himself with his knee-jerk vicious hatred of gays.

Louie Gohmert: Gays Shouldn't Serve In The Military Because Massages Will Make Them Vulnerable To Terrorism

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/louie-gohmert-gays-shouldn-t-serve-military-because-massages-will-make-them-vulnerable-terro

Should we hate all right-wing politicians, and excuse those who may threaten them or try to kill them?

[Baclava]

26. You sound well indoctrinated...too much Tee-vee?

Hamas TV Children's Show Encourages Killing of Jews

[LeftishBrit]

20. Hamas are vile, but I wouldn't quote/trust IsraelNationalNews on anything

It's not national at all, but the voice of the far-right settlers, and very unreliable.

[Archae]

21. Yup, just the usual from the same people who were "Pilgrims To Arafat"

"The poor innocent Palestinians can do no wrong," laugh at the baby run over by this bastard.

Hamas celebrates the murder of the baby.

Is it any wonder none of the Arab countries, in addition to Israel, trust Palestinians?

[Fantastic Anarchist]

49. So, are all Palestinians members of Hamas ...

... or did you just want to couch that in there hoping no one would notice?

[Archae]

52. Obviously, no.

But I don't see any big rush to reject Hamas, either.

In fact I see an awful lot of support for them.

Including here at DU.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

59. Big rush to reject them?

When their enemy is bombing the shit out of them, you expect them to reject Hamas?


Israel knows exactly what it's doing. It needs the Palestinians to support Hamas, or they couldn't justify stealing more land.

[Archae]

60. Yeah right, all those terrorist attacks and rockets mean nothing...

[Fantastic Anarchist]

61. And the missiles and tanks and phosphorous bombs mean nothing.

[LeftishBrit]

18. It's wrong on all sides.

Glad you agree!

Who is 'hiding behind' the baby? So now one can't be horrified by a baby's, any baby's, murder, without it reflecting some sort of hidden agenda? Your post was implying that the baby's death was somehow partly justifiable, or at least less important, because of violence on the other side. It wasn't.


'An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.'

[LeftishBrit]

30. Yes. Murder doesn't justify murder.

[Sunlei]

9. crowded area. Will get to the point in Jerusalem where no cars are allowed anymore.

[cosmicone]

23. Barbaric assholes.

How can anyone justify killing innocent people whatever the cause?

Yes, Israel's attacks do kill babies and are sometimes heavy-handed but a) Israel doesn't act without provocation and b) Israel doesn't specifically target innocent people.

When we kill innocent people with our drones, we don't target innocent people and are not gleeful when innocent people die in a drone attack.

Not only that a certain variety of terrorism (my post may get hidden if I were to be descriptive) doesn't care about innocent people but they also celebrate it. Barbaric indeed.

[Rhinodawg]

31. Hamas , ISIS...its all the same.

Barbaric pos.

[cosmicone]

32. shhhhhhhhh ... I know what you mean wink wink n/t

[leftynyc]

41. WEll, I've seen two of our fellow DUers

do just that right here on this thread. Nothing about a dead American baby - NOTHING. Just bashing Israel. It's pathetic.

[Maedhros]

33. I don't recall the American government caring one whit

when American citizen Furkan Dogan was killed when Israeli commandos illegally boarded the Mavi Marmara in 2010.

Why should they care deeply for a citizen killed by one side in a conflict and not at all for one killed by the other side?

[Baclava]

34. US Condemns 'Terrorist' Car Attack in Jerusalem

“The United States condemns in the strongest possible terms today’s terrorist attack in Jerusalem”

“We express our deepest condolences to the family of the baby, reportedly an American citizen, who was killed in this despicable attack, and extend our prayers for a full recovery to those injured. We urge all sides to maintain calm and avoid escalating tensions in the wake of this incident.” State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in a statement.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Palestinians-conflict-Jerusalem-attack/2014/10/22/id/602500/

[Maedhros]

35. Yet they don't condemn a commando raid on a civilian craft in international waters

that results in the death of an American citizen. Proves that the condemnation is simply political posturing in favor of our client state.

[Baclava]

36. You do know that Hamas is a recognized terrorist organization by the U.S.

Can't get around that.

[Maedhros]

44. I'm not decrying the condemnation of the terrorist attack,

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of condemning one murder without condemning another based upon political back-scratching.

[Baclava]

46. Well yeah, there is that. Praising Hamas and running down the Jews is par for the course around here

or so it seems

I'm tired of it too.

[Maedhros]

50. Nobody "runs down the Jews" here.

They vehemently object to Israeli governmental policy.

[Rhinodawg]

37. right

[Rhinodawg]

38. or

[EX500rider]

42. Yes who could have guessed trying to run a military blockade would be dangerous?

Other then everybody?

[Chan790]

45. Was this (^^^) retaliation for this a few days ago?

Numerous sources in Israel-Palestine are reporting that an Israeli settler ran over two young Palestinian girls with a car, killing 5-year-old Enas Shawkat and injuring the other, outside a kindergarten in the occupied West Bank today, near Ramallah.

The exact details are still being fleshed out, yet it is clear that it was a hit-and-run, while the children were crossing the main street in Singel, a small Palestinian village often attacked by Israeli settlers and their military.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/19/1337677/--Israeli-Settler-Ran-Over-Two-Palestinian-Girls

As someone with both Jewish and Arab relatives, this is all getting to be too disgusting for words for me. If the assholes on both sides want to kill each other, have at! I didn't say much when it was happening in N. Ireland (The other side of my family) but please for the love of a God who hates this kind of barbarism...can we leave civilians and kids out of it?

Remembering the true victims of sectarian stupidity in this kind of idiotic tit-for-tat:

?

[Baclava]

47. You can take it back even further - 2000 years or so. I'm sure it hasn't stopped.

But if have to pick one tribe in this fight - I'll take the Jews.

I don't see them strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up buses, maybe it's just me

[Chan790]

51. No, but I don't see the majority of Palestinians doing that either...

what I do see is a small committed force for stupidity and violence on both sides and a government on both sides that feels no compunction to rein in their crazies or crack-down on their own sides' partisans.

Trust me, the "settlers" on one side aren't any better than the "suicide bombers" on the other. A pox on both their houses.