E-Votes Flip D to R in Texas, R to D in Illinois: More Trouble With Touch-Screens (2014 Edition)

[BradBlog]

Source: BRAD BLOG

E-Votes Flip D to R in Texas, R to D in Illinois: More Trouble With Touch-Screens (2014 Edition)

And so begins our traditional, biennial (if not more frequent) coverage of partisans understandably freaking out when their 100% unverifiable touch-screen votes are seen flipping on screen from a candidate or candidates of their preferred party to a candidate or candidates from a different party...

FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=10897

Read more: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=10897

[liberal N proud]

1. But we must worry about that 1 illegal voter with more stringent voter id laws.

[Dopers_Greed]

3. Not to mention

A legal not-white voter delivering absentee ballots.

[billhicks76]

34. Intelligence Agencies

They and contractors like Stratfor determine our elections now through hacking eVoting machines.

[heaven05]

2. not surprising

[Dont call me Shirley]

4. Elections need to be taken out of the hands of private corporations. Return to paper ballots.

[sakabatou]

6. +1

[SoapBox]

10. +1

[blkmusclmachine]

30. The companies who manufacture vote "counting" machines have preferred candidates, I am sure of it.

There's probably a reason their vote "counting" machines are proprietary and must remain secret and in the dark.

[Dont call me Shirley]

41. Keeping election theft in the dark becomes deadly.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/22/republican_it_specialist_dies_in_plane

[ancianita]

5. I knew what could happen to my early vote as soon as I saw "Sequoia" on the machines in Chicago.

I'm so f'g pissed at our capital's Democrats for contracting with this former Dieboldt company that I could spit in their faces.

I've been bitching about the known rigging of e-voting machines across the country ever since 2008. Who the hell listens anyway, right?

This really should be a HUGE DEAL on DU.

[Maedhros]

18. The Democratic Party has elected to completely ignore the problem.

Party loyalists on DU follow suit.

[ancianita]

19. Really. I don't know one DU'er who accepts or ignores this. Sure you got your hand on the DU pulse?

[Maedhros]

20. You posted yourself that this isn't getting the attention it deserves on DU.

I suggested a possible explanation.

Given the ratio of "{RW nutjob} said something stupid!" posts to electronic voting posts, I'd say it's way down on the priority list.

[ancianita]

21. That doesn't mean that I agree with your blanket judgment of either the party or DU.

On review, I think you'll have to retract your claim. You didn't say "it's possible;" you implied that it's all but official for the party and DU.

DU has given this attention. Just not enough for media to raise a stink about it. I offer you a few discussion links back to 2011. There have been innumerable concerns and solutions run through DU over the years.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3895143

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002423890

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021692534

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3190609

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x415423

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2543733

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x517618

I'm so pissed that this corruption hasn't been at the top of the media's coverage rotation. That spark seems to be the only way to pressure politicians to "do something." It's not just both parties' dragging their feet; even Bernie Sanders doesn't seem to make it an issue. It's not as if there aren't viable voting alternatives already known to citizens.

[Maedhros]

24. Personally, I think that a big chunk of DU

is more interested in pointing and laughing at RW idiots than it is in discussing anything constructive.

[ancianita]

26. Where is a Willy T Poll when DU needs it!

From the administrators:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=announcement&id=1


I wish we could get a better map of DU'ers. Until then you'll have to take my word for it.

[brooklynite]

7. In other words, calibration problems, not vote-rigging

[blkmusclmachine]

31. Bwhahahaha

[Youdontwantthetruth]

8. Vote Flipping is Election Fraud not Voter Fraud

The problem is and has been for the last 20 + years Election Fraud, unfortunately most people are easily distracted by the Voter Fraud canard

And so it goes

[KansDem]

12. The media has been successful in making "election fraud" and "voter fraud" synonymous

Kinda of like how right-wingers have made "socialism" and "communism" interchangeable.

Welcome to DU!

[Youdontwantthetruth]

13. The media has only been successful with the less intelligent.

Granted we are a nation of idiots so easy to do.
Thanks for the welcome

[Scuba]

9. Paper ballots, hand counted, in public, cameras rolling, nothing less.

[SoapBox]

11. [phone]

[cascadiance]

29. And for those in Oregon and other Vote by Mail states, sign up to be an observer where they count...

... ballots. That's how we caught election fraud happening here in the last election in Clackamas County which conveniently had cameras not focused on the areas where the vote counting was happening.

http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2013/07/ballot_tampering_spurs_changes.html

Election fraud takes on many forms, and is far more of a problem than the supposed VOTER fraud the GOP continues to complain about when they let you use a hunting license as a voter id in Texas and not things like social security cards or student IDs.

[davidpdx]

35. Hopefully that loony woman in Clackamas County will lose the County Clerk job

The next stop for her should be a mental hospital.

[eridani]

36. The basic thing to remember here is that only PAPER ballots allow real auditing

Because the fraud could be checked by a hand count, the problem could be fixed

[cascadiance]

43. But we also must make sure that paper ballots aren't altered by third party before being entered...

... in to the system, or the audit will fail as well. That is why there needs to be scrutiny of who is handling ballots up until the time they are recorded and also ensure that process is observed before they are secured safely someplace away from anyone else too. Voters can watch how their ballots are being stored at voting booths, etc., whereas absentee ballots and vote by mail ballots are totally outside what the voter themselves can observe once they put their ballot in the mail or drop it off at a library, etc. We need people of all stripes watching the process (and perhaps cameras as well) to ensure that there isn't doctoring of the ballots. Now in these cases where they do try to alter ballots, the potential for individuals to get caught and punished are a lot higher, so hopefully we can put in place enough checks to have a heavy disincentive for them doing so.

Also, when altering ballots like this physically, the potential damage to larger amounts of vote counts is so much less that it is less likely to affect election outcomes than someone behind the scenes hacking the results after they've been tabulated, or hacking the machines that record the votes as well. Those people can damage the system with a lot less scrutiny than those doctoring paper ballots as those stupid women from Clackamas were caught doing. But they might have succeeded, without the proper camera monitoring that wasn't well put in place there, or without observers who noticed something was wrong then.

[AverageJoe90]

14. No surprises here, TBH.

We need to bring back paper ballots.

[C Moon]

15. I said it before: this is why the GOP is so sure they are going to take the senate

[ancianita]

22. UGH. I can't bear to think about the sellout of the vote numbers at the highest state levels!!

And I don't trust the honesty or accuracy of those who run machinery!!

[dotymed]

25. when the very accurate

exit polling was ditched by the MSM after the boosh theft, it signaled, to me, that voting is no longer a deciding factor in elections...Yes, I still vote but I do not really know that it matters...just IMO.

[meegbear]

16. And we know how this will be reported ...

R switches to D ... VOTER FRAUD!!1!
D switched to R ... user error an shows why some people shouldn't vote

[MontyPow]

17. It really pisses me off that R votes are flipping to D votes.

This problem used to be partisan, now it is bipartisan. I don't know if Democrats are joining in the fun and frivolity or if the Republicans are trying to lay the groundwork for "both sides do it".

We'll have to leave it at that ...

[ieoeja]

23. The really sad thing is ... it doesn't matter.

It does not matter what you see on the screen. It could show you voting a straight D ticket on the screen, but save the votes as R's.

Which is why "it must be a conspiracy" when votes flip on the screen is wrong. As a developer if I was going to flip the vote intentionally, I wouldn't be stupid enough to put it on the screen so you would know. I would leave the screen exactly as it is. I would only alter the invisible to the human eye bytes on the storage media.

[IDemo]

37. Which is what occurs to me every time I read one of these reports

If I were a hacker who installed a credit card skimmer at a retail outlet, I don't think I would include a "Thanks for your data, sucker" message on the card reader.

[awake]

27. We have had a Demarcate heading the justice department for 5 1/2 yrs & still nothing has been done.

If the shoe was on the other foot a Republican justice department would have had the problem exposed with in 6 months along with charging ex-officials of the executive branch with war crimes and liberal bankers jailed for bank fraud. Lets face it our current justice department has allowed way way too many Republican criminals to walk scot free. I back our president on most issues but he has allowed these crimes to go unchecked for too many years I am afraid at this point we may be fucked.

[IDemo]

38. "Demarcate"

I guess calling banks too big to fail might qualify for that title.

[awake]

40. Dam auto correct I ended up misspelling Democrat

My point is we may have blown our chance to take care of Republican vote stealing when we had a chance.

[TheNutcracker]

28. States with paper ballot optiscan STILL NEED AN ADEQUATE AUDIT!!!

Florida only has a 1-2% audit requirement of electronic totals against paper ballots by the county SOE's.

Florida is verifying less than 50% of the vote. You don't know if their vote is real!!!

We still need Rush Holts HR 811 for mandatory audits of 3% for all states using electronics of any kind!!!

That will verify close to 70% and not incur the use of more staff and money in the local counties. Otherwise, it's hard to get a federal mandate across the board.

JUST 3% PLEASE!!!

[blkmusclmachine]

32. Democracy, flipped.

And the DEM Party sits on its hands and does little but seek out "compromise" with the insane, uncompromising GOP.

[marble falls]

33. A vote suppressing new ID law is in order! That'll fix it. In 20 years electronic voting still.....

isn't worked out and Teapublicans bitch about the ACA web page snafu.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

39. Where's Bev Harris when we need her?

Just in case any old-timers here think I'm series:

[littlewolf]

42. here in NC we have had paper ballots for a good while

they had touch screens but there was a lot of problems with em.
went back to paper ballots, I wonder about the scanner however
but on the good side it is a paper ballot and can be hand counted
if the candidates want/need it to be.