Venezuela starts importing oil
Source: The Hill
Venezuela, a major exporter of crude oil for decades, has started importing oil to meet domestic demand that it cannot currently fulfill.
It is the first time in the century-long history of Venezuelas state-owned oil industry that it has imported oil, and it is focusing on Russia and Algeria, USA Today reports.
Venezuela has hundreds of millions of barrels of extra-heavy crude. But it needs to dilute that with lighter varieties from elsewhere in order to refine it or sell it elsewhere, USA Today said.
In addition, other countries massive reserves, including the United States, is driving oil prices down internationally, causing Venezuela to lose more money.
Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/222649-venezuela-starts-importing-oil
Archae
(46,327 posts)Maduro would screw up even the oil business in VN.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)how low will it go.
7962
(11,841 posts)Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)Throd
(7,208 posts)Archae
(46,327 posts)And the Pilgrims To Maduro will never admit to anything, since Maduro can just do no wrong!
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)But since we've had a taste of unconventional oils? I expect it'll last until 2030. We've been hitting easier to get crude, once we start getting shales we'll expand out monumentally, and we have enough to last a century.
The electric car boom in the next decade will make oil an export. It's pretty cool.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)And I have only seen them in use 3 times in the last year and a half.
Of course, I only go downtown a couple times a week, so maybe I just have bad timing.
I guess it is good if you have an EV. Free juice and never a wait.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)A nation with that much money in oil should have the infrastructure to convert the oil into usable products. It's beyond belief. This is not an American problem, either. They have enough people to figure this out and implement it alone.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)The present problem is they have basically turned over the keys to the Chinese who are presently more interested in controlling reserves than building production.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Instead of just kicking out western workers they should've had a broad training and technological transfer program. But that didn't happen. They just "nationalized" everything and kicked out the western workers.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)and just give that job to your neighbor's counsin's brother-in-law?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)Zorro
(15,740 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)LOL
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Since oil was discovered in Venezuela, much of the oil has been shipped to Texas refineries and then shipped back as processed gasoline, diesel or other oil product. Venezuela has a good bit of refining capacity but not enough to fill its own needs.
In 2010 Venezuela used 746,000 bbl/day
http://www.indexmundi.com/venezuela/oil_consumption.html
Thus importing 2.7 million barrels of oil a day is WAY BEYOND ITS NEEDS. Venezuela oil is a heavy sour oil, thus Venezuela may need to import 2.7 million barrels of oil a day to dilute the heavy stuff it is producing. 1.645 million bbl per day is what Venezuela exported in 2010.
Something is wrong here. You do NOT import 2.7 million barrels of oil a day to satisfy a .746 Million Barrel a day consumption AND a 1.645 million a barrel day export (total 2.391 Million Barrel a day for both exports AND internal usage). This number makes no sense, if it was for internal usage it is MUCH to large, if it is to dilute domestic sources of oil, it is still much to much. Someone better check the source of this news item for it does NOT reflect oil exports, consumption, importation etc of oil in Venezuela and even if the present President is a complete moron there is no way he could make it so bad so quickly.
More data on oil in Venezuela:
Crude oil - exports:
1.645 million bbl/day (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 8
Crude oil - imports:
0 bbl/day (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 137
Crude oil - proved reserves:
297.6 billion bbl (1 January 2013 est.)
country comparison to the world: 1
Refined petroleum products - production:
1.11 million bbl/day (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 19
Refined petroleum products - consumption:
571,000 bbl/day (2011 est.)
country comparison to the world: 32
Refined petroleum products - exports:
638,000 bbl/day (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 11
Refined petroleum products - imports:
16,660 bbl/day (2011 est.)
country comparison to the world: 111
"The Hill" is aimed at Congress:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hill_(newspaper)
Its web site:
http://thehill.com/
Given the size of the paper, I would like to have verification of where it is getting its information.
hack89
(39,171 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)The CIA Fact books is considered reliable and does not come close to 2.7 million barrels, the CIA Fact books says 1.645 million bbl/day was produced in 2010, so how is a 2.7 million barrel a "Drop in production"???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Venezuelan_oil_industry
For some reason I can NOT get into the EIA website, Energy Information Agency, which produces that data but something is wrong with these numbers.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Declining oil production and declining oil prices is a disastrous combination for a government that gets 95% of its revenue from oil.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Venezuela is the classic case of what economists call the "Dutch Disease:.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Venezuelan_oil_industry
And that was BEFORE Chavez took over. Oil is both the curse and blessing to Venezuela. it provides the money to run the country, but then kills any other part of the economy.
No one has been willing to address this issue in Venezuela since at least the 1920s for to do so is to step on to many toes.
What is needed is simple:
1. Increase domestic Oil prices to world market prices. Right now domestic prices are the cheapest in the world. This is opposed by many of the upper middle class for it means they will have to pay more for the gasoline in their cars. Now, they never cite that claim, instead they cite the poor housewife who will see the price of the oil she uses to cook with go up.
2. Tax imports that reflect the effect of being a huge oil exporter. i.e if it CAN be produced in Venezuela, the import tax should be so huge that domestic production is protected, no matter how the actual currency goes. The US did this in the late 1800s when the US was the #1 oil exporter and the US was a net Debtor nation. The government needs to protect domestic industry and farming even if it means a huge increase in the price of food and household goods. Over the last 50 years the Government of Venezuela has refused to do so, for the tariff needed would be so high the items would double or triple in price and the Upper Middle Class wants their cheap cars and other luxury items. The poor also tend to object for it means higher prices for items useful in the home, kitchen ware, tools, even washers and dryers in addition to Refrigerators and Stoves. This is needed to offset the economic effect of being a net oil exporter.
Notice I mention why Chavez did not do it, and why previous governments have not done it. You have a sizable portion of the population who will oppose it, especially on the short term basis. The opposition is NOT proposing the above either, for they do know what support they have will disappear if they do so.
The Government should also consider the advice of an opposition Economist, default:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-07/venezuelan-default-suggested-by-harvard-economist.html
The advantage of the default on those bonds is it frees up money for purchase of goods. You can NOT borrow money, but that seems to be the case at the present time anyway, so just default on the bonds and use the money to buy actual goods.
Thus the Government has options, but none of them are nice for they have to step on toes, mostly of the opposition, but some of their supporters.
Now, the present Government and the opposition wants the other to support the above before they do. The reason for this is simple, when the above occurs (and it is more when then if) whoever does it will be hated. Chavez refused to do it for that reason AND the Governments before him refused to do it for the same reason.
It is easy to do what is popular, it is hard to do what is needed and what is done hurts most of the people (or hurts the upper class, which in Venezuela controls the opposition). You get no credit for doing what is needed (instead you get attacked). By the time the results are in, you are long out of power and whoever is the opposition is claiming the benefit of what you did.
The Present Government needs to start a campaign describing what is the problem and the above solution. Tell people it will hurt, but in the long run everyone will be better off. You have to keep telling people what is needed AND tell them you can NOT do it without their support. Thus as long as people oppose the above actions, do not do them but keep hamming home what is needed. Sooner or later the people will catch on and accept what is needed, then you do it and the people accept it.
Right now the people of Venezuela are NOT ready to accept the above required changes, thus except for the default (which the Government can do without popular support), the Government has to stand still and keep preaching to the people what is needed. As the economy goes down hill, the people will look for answers to the problem and slowly come around to embracing what is needed. The opposition may win an election in the mean time, but they are NOT willing to impose the above so the economy will continue to decline under they rule. Thus sooner or later you will get back in power with the people's permission to impose the above.
It will NOT be a short fight, but if done right, Venezuela will cure itself of the Dutch Disease.