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Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 04:33 PM Nov 2014

Ferguson Grand Jury Decision Reached

Source: Daily Beast

The grand jury hearing the case of Officer Darren Wilson and the killing of Michael Brown has reached a decision, CNN and The Washington Post reported Monday. The St. Louis County prosecuting attorney will hold a press conference later today announcing the decision. Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon is flying to St. Louis, a spokesperson said.

Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2014/11/24/ferguson-prosecutor-to-hold-press-conference.html

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Ferguson Grand Jury Decision Reached (Original Post) Cryptoad Nov 2014 OP
Let there be justice. JimDandy Nov 2014 #1
Don't count on it. n/t RoccoR5955 Nov 2014 #3
There will be if someone can afford to pay for it. Kablooie Nov 2014 #17
Let there be peace. 840high Nov 2014 #2
Peaceful Protests SoCalMusicLover Nov 2014 #5
Commentator on MSNBC NJCher Nov 2014 #4
Wouldn't That Be Appropriate? SoCalMusicLover Nov 2014 #6
... Bryce Butler Nov 2014 #10
Well, That Would Be Very Satisfying SoCalMusicLover Nov 2014 #11
which commentator? Whoever it is they still have faith in the courts. jwirr Nov 2014 #15
Does anyone know what the grand jury ratio decision standard? FarPoint Nov 2014 #7
I think 9 out of 12 must decide Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #8
Ohhh okay... FarPoint Nov 2014 #9
Blue Tires is right Travelman Nov 2014 #13
Awesome... FarPoint Nov 2014 #21
cop will walk free hot hunk Nov 2014 #12
True that eom greyghost Nov 2014 #16
Please keep us updated. I believe this will be announced within an hour. Try him for manslaughter. freshwest Nov 2014 #14
It will be announced at 8:00 PM CST Kablooie Nov 2014 #18
I guarantee that the fix was in from the beginning Don Draper Nov 2014 #19
Pretty glad I live in BFEgypt. tavernier Nov 2014 #20
The Fix Was in From the Get Go. Blue Idaho Nov 2014 #22
 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
5. Peaceful Protests
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 05:17 PM
Nov 2014

It would be wrong to hope for otherwise.

However, don't expect things to change. Police will continue to remain unaccountable, and citizens will end up dead.

Blacks will continue to be treated the same by police.

Nothing will change. And this story will become a footnote in a matter of months. Just like Trayvon Martin.

NJCher

(35,662 posts)
4. Commentator on MSNBC
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 05:09 PM
Nov 2014

thinks it might be "voluntary manslaughter."

I was thinking along the same lines. It's a sort of "in the middle" decision.



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SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
6. Wouldn't That Be Appropriate?
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 05:19 PM
Nov 2014

What is difference between Voluntary & Involuntary Manslaughter?

It is obviously not going to be 1st Degree MS, which I understand since he will always have the "line of duty" defense against pre-meditation.

Bryce Butler

(338 posts)
10. ...
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 05:49 PM
Nov 2014
"What is difference between Voluntary & Involuntary Manslaughter?"

There’s a big difference between doing something by accident and doing it intentionally. This is the difference between involuntary and voluntary manslaughter. Voluntary manslaughter is more serious than involuntary manslaughter because it involves taking intentional action. It’s separated from murder by your state of mind at the time. Murder typically involves some level of premeditation or it occurs in the process of committing another felony, such as robbery. Voluntary manslaughter is instigated by situations of extreme emotion, such as if someone provokes or betrays you and you react in fury or grief. A voluntary manslaughter charge might also come about if you use deadly force to protect yourself when, in fact, you misread the situation and deadly force wasn't necessary.
 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
11. Well, That Would Be Very Satisfying
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 05:57 PM
Nov 2014

But it sounds like wishful thinking on the part of that msnbc commentator.

A voluntary manslaughter charge would send a message. I hope that is the result, but I doubt it.

FarPoint

(12,351 posts)
7. Does anyone know what the grand jury ratio decision standard?
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 05:24 PM
Nov 2014

9 jurors but... unanimous is not required I believe... So, what is the deciding standard?

Travelman

(708 posts)
13. Blue Tires is right
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 06:32 PM
Nov 2014

12 total grand jurors are empaneled. At least nine must agree to hand down an indictment. If they cannot get nine to agree, then they must return no true bill.

If they indict, then the true bill goes to the presiding judge, who can, at least in theory, still throw out the indictment, but this is very rare indeed. Otherwise, it gets approved by the judge presiding over the grand jury and is then sent to a district judge for setting arraignment. Then it gets randomly assigned to one of several criminal judges for the trial.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
14. Please keep us updated. I believe this will be announced within an hour. Try him for manslaughter.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 06:35 PM
Nov 2014

There is a thread on how he was 138 feet and not 30 feet as stated before. I hope the Grand Jury took that into account. At 138 feet, it's not involuntary manslaughter as if in a fistfight situation as has been suggested. If Wilson was losing his mind and overreacting, that's not flat out murder. Like anyone with a gun, it should be used as a last resort, not a first resort. How could Wilson fear for his life or think Brown was a danger to others from 138 feet away? BTW, don't they have tasers?

I really want this to come to trial so that all the witnesses I saw on MSNBC this summer come forward and speak. Each one of them struck me as fair, honest and open-minded people, cognizant of justice for all parties and their duty to not bear false witness.

That is who I want to hear from, not all the fearmongers and hate groups.

Don Draper

(187 posts)
19. I guarantee that the fix was in from the beginning
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 08:11 PM
Nov 2014

I hope I'm wrong, but I think it is pretty obvious that there was never any intention on the prosecutors part to seek an indictment. I hope the protestors remain peaceful, but cause disruption. Cops are out of controll in this country and things will never change without conflict.

tavernier

(12,383 posts)
20. Pretty glad I live in BFEgypt.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 08:15 PM
Nov 2014

Glad I'm not up there. Prayers to all and hoping the media hype doesn't cause more casualties.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
22. The Fix Was in From the Get Go.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 10:46 PM
Nov 2014

the Justice system is always ready willing and able to cover the asses of white cops who shoot black kids. Always.

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