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Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:48 PM Dec 2014

Psychologist says U.S. Senate's CIA report makes false charges

Source: Reuters


One of the two psychologists who devised the CIA's harsh Bush-era interrogation methods said on Wednesday that a scathing U.S. Senate report on the torture of foreign terrorism suspects "took things out of context" and made false accusations.

"It's a bunch of hooey," James Mitchell told Reuters from his home in Florida when asked for his response to the Senate Intelligence Committee's findings released on Tuesday. "Some of the things are just plain not true."


Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/11/us-usa-cia-torture-idUSKBN0JM24I20141211



My headline: War Criminal claims torture report is bullshit.

Let's keep interviewing more war criminals and ask them for their expert opinions on accusations that they committed war crimes and pretend that that is "journalism".
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Psychologist says U.S. Senate's CIA report makes false charges (Original Post) Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 OP
Like he'd say anything else rpannier Dec 2014 #1
She. And from her picture she is channelling Lotte Lenya as Rosa Klebb Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #4
AFAIK both Bruce and James are male. You can change your subject line if you like.... Hekate Dec 2014 #15
The lying ass clown "Mitchell declined to cite specifics of what he considered wrong in the report, jtuck004 Dec 2014 #2
Out of context? Fuck him. He took SERE and ripped off the American taxpayer, enabled torture, msanthrope Dec 2014 #3
Lying fuckface. DinahMoeHum Dec 2014 #5
There is no context that justifies torture. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #6
Stopped reading before the end of the first sentence... Dopers_Greed Dec 2014 #7
What else do we expect from him? He is a bunch of hooey. How he even calls himself a professional jwirr Dec 2014 #8
James Mitchell? I thought both of them were male, esp the one with the beard. Hekate Dec 2014 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author jwirr Dec 2014 #14
Mitchell was on NBC News tonight. Definitely NOT female. nt Ilsa Dec 2014 #26
I saw that. jwirr Dec 2014 #43
"out of context?" blackspade Dec 2014 #10
$40 Million worth of "Hooey" ReRe Dec 2014 #25
Scumbags. blackspade Dec 2014 #32
The Congress/GHW via CIA's... ReRe Dec 2014 #39
Sorry, I was being rhetorical... blackspade Dec 2014 #45
Rhetorical.. ReRe Dec 2014 #46
+10000 Well, then, they should release the whole report, shouldn't they. woo me with science Dec 2014 #41
A couple of decades of observing all the lies, deception, misinformation, and corruption wiggs Dec 2014 #11
good old limited hangout. mopinko Dec 2014 #23
And get this: ReRe Dec 2014 #27
real non-usa journalists,interview the actual tortured persons and they WILL fill in the blanks. Sunlei Dec 2014 #34
That's right. n/t ReRe Dec 2014 #40
Yea, so did Josef Mengele. I bet they will follow up that they were only following orders. LiberalArkie Dec 2014 #12
They don't pretend it's journalism. They made the population forget what journalism is. Scuba Dec 2014 #13
"Out of context" my rosy roseola Hekate Dec 2014 #16
Our Gov. paid this GHOUL 81 million. wonder who set-up his 'for profit' contract torture business? Sunlei Dec 2014 #17
I think I just seen that POS... ReRe Dec 2014 #28
I don't even want to look at him, he has that cheney expression Sunlei Dec 2014 #29
Whew. Well, I feel a lot better now. Hissyspit Dec 2014 #18
"SOME" of them? Hissyspit Dec 2014 #19
The "context" is that of official CIA documentation. another_liberal Dec 2014 #20
Channeling Josef Mengele. I wonder if the two are related? And WE Paid for this SHIT! adirondacker Dec 2014 #21
K&R.... daleanime Dec 2014 #22
Hooey, hooey?? WTF is hooey? Isn't that what the lying bastard Cheney said? mountain grammy Dec 2014 #24
Cheney defined "hooey" today... ReRe Dec 2014 #30
First, do no harm Horse with no Name Dec 2014 #31
"First, do no harm" was cited on Fox News as the reason the report should not have been released. Voice for Peace Dec 2014 #35
Orwellian. I should have figured that Horse with no Name Dec 2014 #36
"It's a bunch of hooey" must be one of the talking points from Cheney. Voice for Peace Dec 2014 #33
Where did the broken legs come from again? woo me with science Dec 2014 #37
"Some of the things are just plain not true." - The natural implicit message here is... Veilex Dec 2014 #38
"My headline: War Criminal claims torture report is bullshit." Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #42
Because there is any sort of 'context' for torture? Matariki Dec 2014 #44
NYT Letter To The Editor and Physicians for Human Rights petition link. proverbialwisdom Dec 2014 #47
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
4. She. And from her picture she is channelling Lotte Lenya as Rosa Klebb
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:54 PM
Dec 2014

in From Russia with Love.

Oh fuck - never mind that was Dianne Feinstein! I don't take back the Rosa Klebb comment.

Hekate

(90,681 posts)
15. AFAIK both Bruce and James are male. You can change your subject line if you like....
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:28 PM
Dec 2014

And if it wasn't for DiFi we wouldn't have this report, regardless of what she looks like.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
2. The lying ass clown "Mitchell declined to cite specifics of what he considered wrong in the report,
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:52 PM
Dec 2014

saying in a brief telephone interview: "I have a non-disclosure agreement (with the government) and cannot confirm or deny that I was involved in that thing."

I'm thinking Congress could likely speak for the U.S. and subpoena his lying ass and set that aside, let him speak, since he knows so much, the dirty, stinking, traitor.

Psychology. It's not just for torturing prisoners.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
3. Out of context? Fuck him. He took SERE and ripped off the American taxpayer, enabled torture,
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:53 PM
Dec 2014

and damaged his profession.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
7. Stopped reading before the end of the first sentence...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:57 PM
Dec 2014

"One of the two psychologists who devised the CIA's harsh Bush-era interrogation methods said..."

What a joke

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
8. What else do we expect from him? He is a bunch of hooey. How he even calls himself a professional
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:02 PM
Dec 2014

is beyond me. Let them all come out of their holes and say their piece - they are only conviction themselves. The more they talk the more we realize they are guilty. No conscience, no morals.

Hekate

(90,681 posts)
9. James Mitchell? I thought both of them were male, esp the one with the beard.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:16 PM
Dec 2014

James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen. M

Response to Hekate (Reply #9)

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
10. "out of context?"
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:17 PM
Dec 2014

This guy can fuck off.
Of course the creator of this torture regimen is going to claim it is a bunch of hooey....

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
25. $40 Million worth of "Hooey"
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:11 PM
Dec 2014

His buddie (Jesson?) got the other half. $80 Million of OUR money went into their pockets.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
41. +10000 Well, then, they should release the whole report, shouldn't they.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:08 AM
Dec 2014

Heaven forbid we should miss any of that context.

wiggs

(7,813 posts)
11. A couple of decades of observing all the lies, deception, misinformation, and corruption
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:19 PM
Dec 2014

tells me that this report 'revelation' is probably a negotiated release of information they believe is much less damaging than the whole truth...and that there is much more out there we don't know about. Seen it time and time again....this is a pressure relief valve protecting the bigger apparatus.

There may very well be some things in the report that aren't 100% accurate, as Mitchell says, but I bet that there's not only more accuracy than inaccuracy but they are feigning outrage so that the public doesn't suspect there's a lot more out there still unrevealed.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
27. And get this:
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:27 PM
Dec 2014

... they censored all but 600 pages of the full 6,000 page report, and the 600 pages, after redactions, left a total of approx 480 pages. In other words, we don't know nothing. We got less than 1/10th of the original report. We're only 1/10th as mad as we should be. I don't know about anyone else, but 1/10th of the truth does not equal truth in my mind.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
34. real non-usa journalists,interview the actual tortured persons and they WILL fill in the blanks.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:41 PM
Dec 2014

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
28. I think I just seen that POS...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:30 PM
Dec 2014

... on Lawrence O'Donnell's Last Word. It's at about 15-20 minutes into the hour.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
20. The "context" is that of official CIA documentation.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:51 PM
Dec 2014

He did what he did, and he must pay for those despicable, indefensible actions.

BTW: If I may say so, your closing comments are excellent, Warren. Thanks for taking a stand on this issue.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
21. Channeling Josef Mengele. I wonder if the two are related? And WE Paid for this SHIT!
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 10:08 PM
Dec 2014

"The CIA paid $80 million to a company run by the two former Air Force psychologists without experience in interrogation or counter-terrorism who recommended waterboarding, slaps to the face and mock burial for prisoners captured after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, according to the Senate investigation."

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
24. Hooey, hooey?? WTF is hooey? Isn't that what the lying bastard Cheney said?
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:08 PM
Dec 2014

Are they trying to sound fucking quaint?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
30. Cheney defined "hooey" today...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:37 PM
Dec 2014

... "crap." IOW, shit. or Bullshit. or Excrement.
They definitely know all about that stuff, don't you know. Literally.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
35. "First, do no harm" was cited on Fox News as the reason the report should not have been released.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:41 PM
Dec 2014

Because it might do harm. Oh woe..

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
36. Orwellian. I should have figured that
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:43 PM
Dec 2014

Thankfully I don't have Fox on my television...I'd probably have thrown something at it

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
37. Where did the broken legs come from again?
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:47 PM
Dec 2014

Thank you, G_j:


standing on broken legs... & how did their legs get broken?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025937985


"Out of context," huh?

You bet your ass it's "out of context."

I have an idea. Let's release the WHOLE, UNREDACTED REPORT so everyone can be cleared, okay?
 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
38. "Some of the things are just plain not true." - The natural implicit message here is...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:57 PM
Dec 2014

Some of the things ARE true. This is probably as close to a confession of guilt as we'll get...but I'm hoping for more.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
42. "My headline: War Criminal claims torture report is bullshit."
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:28 AM
Dec 2014

Mine: "Yet Another Bush Era War Criminal Begs To Be Tried At The Hague."

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
47. NYT Letter To The Editor and Physicians for Human Rights petition link.
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:43 AM
Dec 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/11/opinion/a-scathing-report-on-cia-torture.html

To the Editor:

Of the many tragic consequences of the Bush-Cheney administration’s torture program, one of the most underappreciated and insidious has been its cost to the integrity and legitimacy of some of our most vital civil institutions.

How instructive and disheartening it is to read your accounts of the Senate torture report in conjunction with your article last month on the American Psychological Association’s efforts to support C.I.A. and military interrogations.

Not only did the C.I.A. engage psychologists to “develop, operate and assess” its torture program, but the A.P.A. aggressively encouraged its psychologists to participate in interrogations conducted by the C.I.A. and the military while the torture program was at its peak — a policy that you reported was directly influenced by intelligence officials who sought the cover of psychologists’ approval. The A.P.A.’s leadership has a long way to go in restoring the nation’s trust.

PAUL ROCKLIN
Watertown, Mass., Dec. 10, 2014

The writer worked on torture-related issues from 2004 to 2008 as a senior program associate at Physicians for Human Rights.


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Don't Let Psychologists Get Away with Torture



Shocking evidence of the American Psychological Association’s (APA) role in the Bush-era torture program has recently come to light. Their actions are a clear violation of medical ethics and international law.

A new book by Pulitzer Prize-winning, New York Times reporter James Risen reveals previously secret emails showing that the APA worked with government officials to support psychologists’ involvement in torture.

Physicians for Human Rights has long documented the central role psychologists played in designing, monitoring, and implementing the use of torture on detainees in U.S. custody. Risen’s book reveals, for the first time, that the APA secretly permitted the CIA and White House officials to shape its ethics policies on psychologist participation in interrogations.

The APA helped legitimize health professionals’ involvement in torture, instead of acting independently to ensure psychologists played no role. Risen writes, “The APA provided the Bush administration with needed cover” — something no other health professional association was willing to do.

Those in the healing disciplines should never participate in torture or other ill-treatment. The Department of Justice must launch an investigation into the APA’s role in aiding the U.S. torture program. A thorough investigation of these facts is critical to restore public trust in the psychology profession and to ensure accountability for all health professionals involved in torture.

PETITION:

Message

Investigate the APA's Role in Torture

Dear President Obama,

I am gravely concerned by new evidence that the American Psychological Association (APA) developed an ethics policy to support psychologists' participation in the CIA's torture program. Any role that the APA may have played in assisting the torture and ill-treatment of detainees degrades the practice of psychology and violates core principles of human rights and medical ethics.

Psychologists and other health professionals are guided by the fundamental obligation to "do no harm." Any attempt to circumvent this principle is not only unethical, but undermines the ability of all health professionals to credibly perform their duties. Health professionals must always uphold the health and dignity of every human being.

Primary source evidence in New York Times reporter James Risen's new book, "Pay Any Price: Greed, Power, and Endless War," shows that the APA secretly colluded with the CIA and White House officials to enable psychologist participation in abusive interrogations, thereby legitimizing the use of torture. Their involvement has inflicted egregious and long-term harm on detainees. Moreover, it has damaged public trust in psychologists, to the detriment of all health professionals.

It is time for the American public to learn the truth. As we await the release of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence's report on the CIA's torture program, I call on you to open a Department of Justice investigation into the APA's role in supporting Bush-era torture and providing legal and ethical justifications for its use.

For over a decade, human rights organizations alongside medical professionals have demanded accountability for all responsible for the torture and ill-treatment of detainees, including any health professionals. The systematic use of psychological and physical torture of detainees in U.S. custody violates international and U.S. law, and has been detailed in reports by Physicians for Human Rights and others.

I applaud those psychologists who have taken up the critical struggle to hold their professional association to account and to restore public trust in the rule of law. I expect no less from you, Mr. President.

Sincerely,
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