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Zorro

(15,740 posts)
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:49 AM Sep 2014

Why Americans are flocking to their sinking shores

Mike Huckabee bought a beachfront lot here in 2009, a year after his failed bid for the Republican presidential nomination. A longtime friend and political ally of the former Arkansas governor bought the lot next door. They planned to build $3 million vacation villas side-by-side, each with a pool and sweeping views of Walton County’s renowned sugary sand beaches and the azure waters of the Gulf of Mexico.

The only hitch was that their lots lay on a severely eroding beach. Under state regulations, they couldn’t build on the seaward side of the sand dune nearest to the surf. And after seven hurricanes in six years, the surviving “frontal dune” sat too close to the street to allow space behind it for the friends’ 11,000-square-foot (1,020-square-meter)compounds.

The structural engineer they had hired knew what to do. He dumped truckloads of sand farther out on the beach, shaped it into a mound, and declared the man-made hump to be the new frontal dune. When staff at the Florida Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) still balked at issuing the necessary permits, the engineer asked Michael Sole, head of the agency at the time, to intercede.

“I met with Secretary Sole on Friday …” the contractor wrote to DEP staff in a March 8, 2010, email, a copy of which was reviewed by Reuters. “I believe we’ve reached a consensus decision on the location of both these projects.”

http://news.yahoo.com/why-americans-flocking-sinking-shores-142144047.html

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Why Americans are flocking to their sinking shores (Original Post) Zorro Sep 2014 OP
Makes me wonder how much the "top DEP officials" have tucked away CanonRay Sep 2014 #1
Disgusting NV Whino Sep 2014 #2
Once on a vacation in Barbados ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #3
Redundancy detected MrNJ Sep 2014 #6
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #8
Perhaps they don't have a Federal Agency willing to redraw the flood maps... adirondacker Sep 2014 #10
I love Barbados, too ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #12
Thanks for the memories! adirondacker Sep 2014 #13
Oh yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #14
Those not so well connected, are there because of a dream, or playing the strawberry and the tiger. freshwest Sep 2014 #4
If You're Disgusted By This Now.... Laxman Sep 2014 #5
I do hope their home(s) heaven05 Sep 2014 #7
That lil plan is gonna backfire big time, just wait. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2014 #9
FEMA has the 1% covered... adirondacker Sep 2014 #11

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
1. Makes me wonder how much the "top DEP officials" have tucked away
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:29 AM
Sep 2014

in offshore bank accounts. Might be a nice thing for IRS to look for.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
3. Once on a vacation in Barbados ...
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:17 AM
Sep 2014

I asked a local driver, "why, with all this beautiful ocean front property, there were so few houses?"

The driver responded, "We get hurricanes. Only fools and Americans build close to the beach!"

We, both, had a good laugh.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
10. Perhaps they don't have a Federal Agency willing to redraw the flood maps...
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:45 PM
Sep 2014

"Public records show more than 500 instances across the country in which FEMA re-mapped high-end condos and mansions to change their classification from being in a highest-risk flood zone to a lower-risk one, according to the report. FEMA has deemed at least some properties lower risk despite previous flood-related claims, and over the objections of local officials.

"Carving the flood zone map like a parent cutting a notch in a jack-o'-lantern to make a tooth, FEMA moves the lines on a map for one property, while leaving its neighbors in the higher-risk zone," explains Dedman.

The new classification saves owners of these high-end properties up to 97 percent on premiums paid to the National Flood Insurance Program. Yet, these same properties can still collect on federal insurance money when their properties are damaged. The result: from the Gulf of Alaska to Bar Harbor, Maine, to Orange Beach, Alabama, wealthy coastal property owners are bailed out by U.S. taxpayers for the damage wrought by climate change."

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/02/18/climate-floods-surge-taxpayers-hook-insure-homes-1

PS I Love Barbados, particularly the East Coast (Bathsheba)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
12. I love Barbados, too ...
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:21 PM
Sep 2014

I have a (IMO) great story about my first trip to the Island.

We were on a cruise to docked there. Earlier in the cruise, hooked up with a couple from Chicago and went on one of the "canned tours" of Trinidad. We loved the Island, but hated the tour. So when we got to Barbados, we talked to a cabbie and hired him to "show us the Barbados that the tourists don't see." He agreed, so the four of us packed into his little cab. We saw some amazing stuff ... the country-side the cities, the people.

About 3 hours into the tour, the driver pulled off to the side of the road ... in the middle of no where. I and my tour buddy (a Chicago cop), braced ourselves because we were certain we were about to get jacked. The driver got out and started walking across a field. We yelled out, "Hey, where are you going?"

The driver yelled over his shoulder, "It's lunch-time, Mon."

So we all got out and followed him. About a couple of hundred yards off the road was a shack. As we approached, we could smell some good stuff ... goat and fish roasting over a pit. Just as we were about to enter the shack, the driver whispered to me and the cop, "So ... you want to have a good time? As soon as you work in, buy everyone a drink!" I looked at the cop and shrugged ... we walked in and there were about 4 people inside, so we walked over to the bar and told the guy behind it, "set the place up" and followed the driver's suggest, ordering goat sandwiches and fish sandwiches and some fish stew. It was one of the best meals I've ever had, and including the drinks we bought ... it cost us less than $20.00.

By the time we finished eating there were about 20 people in the shack and a couple threesome of musicians that began playing. We spent the remainder of our time on the Island, drinking, eating and listening to "island music."

As we dashed out to get back to the port, the guy that was behind the bar handed us some sandwiches and stew to go.

The whole outing cost us less than $200.00 ... and about $80 of that was tips to guy at the bar and the driver. (and the driver refused to take more).

Now ... take was in my impetuous youth; there's no way, I would do anything like that today.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
13. Thanks for the memories!
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:31 PM
Sep 2014

I did the same thing with the chief scientist and her student in tow (research cruise). I had read a journal about the surf scene and one of the top female surfers resided in Bathsheba and owned a surf bungalow. We took a taxi (driving as a US citizen sucks) to the surftown and upon looking at the surf and seeing someone return completely tore up from the reef, we decided to just beach walk and wade in cautiously. Later we went inside the "Bungalow" that reeeked of reefer and ordered flying fishcakes. It was the Absolute most wonderful meal I've eaten in the Caribbean, served by the highest and most pleasant staff that included the owner.

The locals are Wonderful peeps!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. Oh yeah ...
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:54 PM
Sep 2014
Later we went inside the "Bungalow" that reeeked of reefer and ordered flying fishcakes.


There was that, too.

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
5. If You're Disgusted By This Now....
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 12:03 PM
Sep 2014

just wait a few years. Sometime in the next 5 years, there will be another hurricane. When the Huckster's $3 million villa gets trashed he'll have two insurance policies to cover the damage. He'll get the subsidized flood insurance policy that will pay him the max of $350,000 which he'll promptly use to pay the deductible on the Lloyd's of London policy covering the house. It's so nice that the good folks at the Florida DEP found a way to let him have his house and absolutely swell of the taxpayers of the U.S. to pick up the deductible on his home owner's policy. That is to say nothing of the damage to surrounding homes, infrastructure and the environment that are sure to ensue from his modification of the geology of the beach. But who are we little people to protest.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
9. That lil plan is gonna backfire big time, just wait.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:08 PM
Sep 2014

Even a nice big tropical storm will produce enough wind and waves to wash all the sand away.
Building houses on shifting sands has never been a good idea.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
11. FEMA has the 1% covered...
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:48 PM
Sep 2014

"Public records show more than 500 instances across the country in which FEMA re-mapped high-end condos and mansions to change their classification from being in a highest-risk flood zone to a lower-risk one, according to the report. FEMA has deemed at least some properties lower risk despite previous flood-related claims, and over the objections of local officials.

"Carving the flood zone map like a parent cutting a notch in a jack-o'-lantern to make a tooth, FEMA moves the lines on a map for one property, while leaving its neighbors in the higher-risk zone," explains Dedman.

The new classification saves owners of these high-end properties up to 97 percent on premiums paid to the National Flood Insurance Program. Yet, these same properties can still collect on federal insurance money when their properties are damaged. The result: from the Gulf of Alaska to Bar Harbor, Maine, to Orange Beach, Alabama, wealthy coastal property owners are bailed out by U.S. taxpayers for the damage wrought by climate change."

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/02/18/climate-floods-surge-taxpayers-hook-insure-homes-1

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