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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 03:15 PM Jan 2015

NY Times: Dying in the E.R., and on TV without his family's consent

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/nyregion/dying-in-the-er-and-on-tv-without-his-familys-consent.html

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Anita Chanko could not sleep. At 4 a.m., on an August night in 2012, she settled onto the couch in her Yorkville living room with her dog, Daisy, and her parrot, Elliott, and flipped on the DVR. On came the prior night’s episode of “NY Med,” the popular real-life medical series set at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital, starring Dr. Mehmet Oz. Mrs. Chanko, 75, was a fan of the show and others like it.

“It starts off, there’s a woman with stomach cancer and her family, and then there’s somebody with a problem with their baby, I think it was a heart,” she remembered. “And then I see the doctor that treated my husband.”
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NY Times: Dying in the E.R., and on TV without his family's consent (Original Post) LiberalElite Jan 2015 OP
I despise these shows. enlightenment Jan 2015 #1
I agree and I refuse to watch them. They are nothing more than porn Cleita Jan 2015 #2
I've never understood the appeal, frankly. enlightenment Jan 2015 #3
Speaking as a retired RN Runningdawg Jan 2015 #5
Good point. enlightenment Jan 2015 #6
Welcome to the world of reality TV.... Historic NY Jan 2015 #4
+1. They do it because it is cheap, and cheap rules the day in TV. bemildred Jan 2015 #7
Yes people must be entertained..... Historic NY Jan 2015 #8

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
1. I despise these shows.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 03:53 PM
Jan 2015

They rely on the suffering of others to titillate and amuse - a modern day version of the Roman forum.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
2. I agree and I refuse to watch them. They are nothing more than porn
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jan 2015

inasmuch as they appeal to the voyeurism in all of us.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
3. I've never understood the appeal, frankly.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:21 PM
Jan 2015

I've been subjected to different varieties of reality shows when visiting friends and family and find them alternately horrifying, embarrassing, disgusting, and head-shakingly ignorant.

In this case, it is even worse. Blurred or not, that man did not give consent to be filmed while he was dying and far from convincing me that the hospital is one I would choose, their embrace of this horrible voyeurism convinces me that they lack even a scintilla of ethics. I wouldn't trust them to trim an in-grown toenail.

That said, reality TV is obviously popular, so I have to assume I'm just old-fashioned and out-of-touch with the modern world. I'm glad.

Runningdawg

(4,516 posts)
5. Speaking as a retired RN
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:45 PM
Jan 2015

Are you POSITIVE consent was not given? Have you taken anyone to the ER or for surgery recently? If it was a life-threatening emergency did you stop to read every single word of every single document before you signed it? Or did you sign it ASAP so that care could begin immediately? I know that from time to time we had patients who tried to sue when they found out medical/nursing students observed their surgery. It WAS in the consent they signed they just didn't read it.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
6. Good point.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:30 PM
Jan 2015

No, I don't know - but I seriously doubt that it was asked for/explained in good faith, since the man was probably not thinking clearly and the family probably wasn't thinking clearly.

Bottom line, consent that is not informed isn't really consent. It's one thing to hand people a stack of paper with buried language when they appear for a planned procedure or scheduled admission - and another entirely when someone is brought into the ER in critical condition. The hospital apparently isn't liable, legally, since the family's suit was found without merit - but they have a very, very poor grasp of ethics.

In an ER, the standard for informed consent should be higher, not lower. If it is a teaching hospital, then it should be right up front that students will observe procedures and surgeries. If it isn't a teaching hospital, then it should be a consent to treat. Not a consent to treat with a series of riders that have nothing to do with the function of the facility. People in extremis aren't known for their ability to reason soundly.

Many years ago, I had an unusual surgery, planned. I was at a teaching hospital. I was told VERY clearly that my operation would probably be a "full house" because of its nature ("please sign here&quot . I was told I would have multiple residents attending my follow-up care in hospital, because it would be good training ("please sign here&quot . Finally, I was told that they would take photographs to accompany the anticipated journal article discussing the procedure, but only the surgical site, not whole body ("please sign here&quot .

I signed - because I was informed and had no issue with what they were asking. Had it been an emergency, I would have accepted the full house of students, since it was a teaching hospital - probably wouldn't have cared how many residents I had in attendance afterward . . . but would have been mighty provoked if they had taken photos for publication under those circumstances without my permission, and even more provoked if they had tacked a rider on the general "yes, please save me" consent forms.

Treating an ER visit like a scheduled visit is not appropriate when it comes to consent. Too many variables.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
4. Welcome to the world of reality TV....
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:29 PM
Jan 2015

its the cheapest programming on tv and gets millions of viewers. They'd probably setup cameras to wait for a train wreck but this is faster. It sells.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. +1. They do it because it is cheap, and cheap rules the day in TV.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:01 AM
Jan 2015

That is why we have all this "reality TV", because it is cheap.

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