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bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:37 PM Apr 2015

Neocon "Chaos Promotion" in the Mideast (Ray McGovern 4-14-15 Common Dreams article)

Beyond a Good Read-this should be a must read for those of US that love the truth. Now we need to DEMAND accountability as chaos spreads throughout our 50 states to a lesser degree.

Neocon "Chaos Promotion" in the Mideast
http://commondreams.org/views/2015/04/14/neocon-chaos-promotion-mideast

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Neocon "Chaos Promotion" in the Mideast (Ray McGovern 4-14-15 Common Dreams article) (Original Post) bobthedrummer Apr 2015 OP
Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush Foreign Policy Adviser, Plays Up Reagan Influence (Ben Brody 2-22-15 Bloomberg) bobthedrummer Apr 2015 #1
Douglas Jay Feith's Source Watch page from 2012 (a dyed in the wool chaos promoter-a free man) bobthedrummer Apr 2015 #2
Best think I've read today. Good Syrian background. Begins to explain wtf we're doing in Ukraine doxyluv13 Apr 2015 #3
David Spears Addington was both a lawyer and Chief of Staff for Richard Bruce Cheney-both are still bobthedrummer Apr 2015 #4
JUSTUS-not justice. Kick and another call for participation. bobthedrummer Apr 2015 #5
David and Meyrav WURMSER-chaos, beheadings, torture, a wishlist come true. Who hires them today? bobthedrummer Apr 2015 #6
I think this LBN (although it is over 12 years old at least) deserves a place in this thread too. bobthedrummer Apr 2015 #7
Kick and recommend. nt. polly7 May 2015 #8
K&R! Good Read.... KoKo May 2015 #9
How has the Iraq war impacted the world? Take a look at what some of the chaos promoters claimed. bobthedrummer May 2015 #10
K&R cprise May 2015 #11
It's certainly not just the ME experiencing the promotion of chaos due to the PNAC alliance kick bobthedrummer May 2015 #12
John David Ashcroft's Source Watch page bobthedrummer May 2015 #13
Joseph Cofer Black is quite exceptional when it comes to "protecting" US from chaotic "terror" bobthedrummer May 2015 #14
How many of US know that a German militarist named Fritz Gustave Anton Kraemer "discovered" neocon bobthedrummer May 2015 #15
Mass Surveillance-it's the RIGHT THING for FREEDOM!! What is being promoted with that-a US Gestapo? bobthedrummer May 2015 #16
"Resurgence of the ‘Surge’ Myth"--Ray McGovern, May 29, 2015 KoKo May 2015 #17
What a creep that Sheldon Adelson is-from Las Vegas to the Gaza strip! Gauleiter Walker is beholden bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #18
K&R. Seriously love Ray McGovern CrawlingChaos Jun 2015 #19
Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq (Seumas Milne 6-3-15 bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #20
Here's an article by Tom Shorrock (5-27-15 The Nation) that seems right at home in this thread bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #21
Donald Rumsfeld denies he thought democracy in Iraq was "realistic" goal (Tim McCarthy 6-9-15 The bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #22
Report on American Psychological Association's Role In CIA Torture Program (4-30-15 Cryptocomb) bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #23
War criminals hiding in plain sight. kr PufPuf23 Jun 2015 #24
They aren't hiding-they are "leaders of the free world" free from the rule of law. n/t bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #25
US snubs Poland requests for CIA secret prison documents (6-13-15 AP via Guardian) bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #26
Several of these chaos promotors are "advisors" to various presidential candidates, no wonder that bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #27
President Obama's new SecDef-Ashton Carter has a personal network with many neocons and worse bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #29
When it comes to promoting another end to Iran, it's hard to beat Dr. Michael Ledeen (Scott Walker bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #30
Recommend! KoKo Jul 2015 #31
"Regime Change" Strategy Spreads Chaos (Nat Parry 9-11-15 Consortium News) bobthedrummer Sep 2015 #32
Sub-munitions promote chaos too, not just in the Middle East. Meet Raytheon's RGM/UGM 109 Tomahawk bobthedrummer Sep 2015 #33
 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
2. Douglas Jay Feith's Source Watch page from 2012 (a dyed in the wool chaos promoter-a free man)
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:00 PM
Apr 2015

Douglas Jay Feith
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Douglas_Jay_Feith

Why are these war criminals and traitors breathing free air?

doxyluv13

(247 posts)
3. Best think I've read today. Good Syrian background. Begins to explain wtf we're doing in Ukraine
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:15 PM
Apr 2015

God Bless Ray McGovern.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
4. David Spears Addington was both a lawyer and Chief of Staff for Richard Bruce Cheney-both are still
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 02:04 PM
Apr 2015

living as free men, both are traitors and war crimes policy-makers that certainly promoted the chaos of today.

David S. Addington (Wikipedia entry)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Addington

Below is a current blog on indictdickcheney that many may find relevant to Ray McGovern's article.
http://indictdickcheney.blogspot.com

What are your thoughts and opinions about the continued unaccountability of "the crazies"?

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
5. JUSTUS-not justice. Kick and another call for participation.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 04:36 PM
Apr 2015

Might as well put in a January 15, 2008 Tom Shorrock Special report to CorpWatch that illustrates JUSTUS and certainly promoted chaos.

QinetiQ Goes Kinetic: Top Rumsfeld Aid Wins Contracts From Spy Office He Set UP
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=14898

There's a rich vein of dark history we should be discussing here, don't you think?

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
6. David and Meyrav WURMSER-chaos, beheadings, torture, a wishlist come true. Who hires them today?
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:36 PM
Apr 2015

David Wurmser (Right Web entry)
http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/wurmser_david

Meyrav Wurmser (Right Web profile)
http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/wurmser_meyrav

Who are some of the chaos promoting cons you've sounded off about in the past, DU??? They are part of LBN today, aren't they?

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
7. I think this LBN (although it is over 12 years old at least) deserves a place in this thread too.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:45 PM
Apr 2015

Psychologists met in secret with Bush officials to help justify torture-report (Raya Jalabi 4-30-15 The Guardian)
"Newly disclosed emails reveal American Psychological Association coordinated with officials in CIA and White House to help ethically justify detainee program"

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/30/psychologists-bush-officials-torture-program

What do you "think" about the promotion of chaos, DUers?

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
10. How has the Iraq war impacted the world? Take a look at what some of the chaos promoters claimed.
Sun May 10, 2015, 03:16 PM
May 2015

TOP SECRET POLO STEP (The National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book 214 pdf)
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB214/index.htm

Here's a Mother's Day blast from the past (13 years ago today) from US Army Central Command
Compartmented Plan Update 10 May 2002 (a tab from The National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book 214 pdf)
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB214/Tab%20C.pdf

Your thoughts and experiences are always encouraged DU. Kick.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
12. It's certainly not just the ME experiencing the promotion of chaos due to the PNAC alliance kick
Sun May 17, 2015, 03:08 PM
May 2015

US: Mexico Mass Graves Raise "Alarming Questions" about Government "Complicity" in September 2014 Cartel Killings (The National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book 515 posted 5-12-15)
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB515

Of course this promotion of chaos/psyops is happening, on a lesser scale, domestically-and has been for decades.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
14. Joseph Cofer Black is quite exceptional when it comes to "protecting" US from chaotic "terror"
Wed May 20, 2015, 04:38 PM
May 2015

J. Cofer Black (SourceWatch)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/J._Cofer_Black

Cofer Black (RightWeb page)
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/black_cofer

History Commons articles about Mr. Black's career paths and skillsets
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=cofer_black

Add to this thread!

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
15. How many of US know that a German militarist named Fritz Gustave Anton Kraemer "discovered" neocon
Wed May 27, 2015, 01:49 PM
May 2015

fundamentalists/militarists like Henry Kissenger, Alexander Haig, Donald Rumsfeld and many others? The highly influential Mr. Kraemer was a linchpin insider in the Nixon Administration. Of course he was an attorney too- just like Mitchell, Ashcroft, Yoo et al. A counselor to folks like Rumsfeld, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz.

There are a couple of obituaries and comments from two competing U.K. newspapers that are worth a post in this thread about Fritz G.A. Kraemer.

Fritz Kraemer (The Telegraph 11-10-03)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1446315/Fritz-Kraemer.html

Fritz Kraemer (Godfrey Hodgson 11-11-03 The Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2003/nov/12/guardianobituaries.usa

Both of those are far more informative than the scrubbed/erased info on the www about this powerful man-for instance his Wikipedia entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_G._A._Kraemer

Add to this thread DUers. The chaos is being promoted everywhere.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
16. Mass Surveillance-it's the RIGHT THING for FREEDOM!! What is being promoted with that-a US Gestapo?
Fri May 29, 2015, 02:08 PM
May 2015

New details about the joint NSA_BND operation EIKONAL (5-28-15 Top Level Telecommunications blog)
http://electrospaces.blogspot.com/2015/05/new-details-about-joint-nsa-bnd.html

Who is Congress supposed to work for???????


KoKo

(84,711 posts)
17. "Resurgence of the ‘Surge’ Myth"--Ray McGovern, May 29, 2015
Sat May 30, 2015, 10:06 AM
May 2015

Published on
Friday, May 29, 2015
by
Common Dreams
Resurgence of the ‘Surge’ Myth

Official Washington loves the story – the Iraq War was failing until President George W. Bush bravely ordered a “surge” in 2007 that won the war, but President Obama squandered the victory, requiring a new “surge” now. Except the narrative is dangerous make-believe.
by
Ray McGovern

As American politicians and editorial writers resume their tough talk about sending more U.S. troops into Iraq, they are resurrecting the “successful surge” myth, the claim that President George W. Bush’s dispatch of 30,000 more soldiers in 2007 somehow “won” the war – a storyline that is beloved by the neocons because it somewhat lets them off the hook for starting the disaster in the first place.

But just because Official Washington embraces a narrative doesn’t make it true. Bush’s “surge” was, in reality, a dismal — an unconscionable — failure. It did not achieve its ostensible aim — the rationale Bush eventually decided to give it — namely, to buy time for Iraq’s Sunnis and Shiites to reconcile.
More at:

http://commondreams.org/views/2015/05/29/resurgence-surge-myth

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
18. What a creep that Sheldon Adelson is-from Las Vegas to the Gaza strip! Gauleiter Walker is beholden
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 06:11 PM
Jun 2015

to him too, especially via those Rove operatives that are mentioned in the Walker John Doe docs (there are many of them ensconced here in WI).

Talk about a promoter of chaos-that's Sheldon et al.

Sheldon Adelson (Right Web profile)
http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Adelson_Sheldon

Domestic chaos is spreading too, isn't it DU? Speak out about it -at the top of your lungs.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
20. Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq (Seumas Milne 6-3-15
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 01:17 PM
Jun 2015

The Guardian/Comment is Free article)
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq

Anyone else remember the CIA's worldwide (including US) Operation MHCHAOS? It never stopped, did it???

The Digital National Security Archive has a treasure trove of docs about conspiracies that aren't theoretical-check it out for yourselves.
Search CIA Family Jewels Indexed
http://nsarchive.chadwyck.com/marketing/fj/search.do

Add to this thread people.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
21. Here's an article by Tom Shorrock (5-27-15 The Nation) that seems right at home in this thread
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:52 PM
Jun 2015

How Private Contractors Have Created a Shadow NSA
http://m.thenation.com/article/208481-how-private-contractors-have-created-shadow-nsa

What do you think about the ever expanding promotion of chaos that was in the PNAC agenda, fellow DUers?
 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
22. Donald Rumsfeld denies he thought democracy in Iraq was "realistic" goal (Tim McCarthy 6-9-15 The
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jun 2015

Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/donald-rumsfeld-iraq-war-democracy-contradiction

The "realistic goal" was always CHAOS and the continued Revolution In Military Affairs/RMA of the PNAC ideology's structural foundation of US as "sole world military superpower" you WAR CRIMINAL son of a bitch, right Don?

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
23. Report on American Psychological Association's Role In CIA Torture Program (4-30-15 Cryptocomb)
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jun 2015
http://cryptocomb.org/?p=1519

This fills in some of the gaps in post 7 upthread.

APA=Therapists/torturers=the rapists of MKULTRA's neuroscience sub-projects. That's a fact too, not ct. What do you think, DU?
 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
26. US snubs Poland requests for CIA secret prison documents (6-13-15 AP via Guardian)
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:34 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/13/poland-cia-secret-prison-report

The chaos is spreading, isn't it?

SOLIDARITY!

Extermination Camps in Poland (Jewish Virtual Library)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/extcamps.html

For transparency, the Jewisih Virtual Library is a project of the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise/AICE which is linked to AIPAC
American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise (The Center for Media and Democracy/SourceWatch entry)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/American-Israeli_Cooperative_Enterprise

How about discussing the history of the secret sites right here in the HOMELAND Mr. Clapper et.al???
 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
27. Several of these chaos promotors are "advisors" to various presidential candidates, no wonder that
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 03:38 PM
Jun 2015

the chaos is very present here in The United States of America, isn't it?

Kick for further discussion.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
28. President Obama's new SecDef-Ashton Carter has a personal network with many neocons and worse
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 04:29 PM
Jun 2015

Here are a few links to a cause of concern about him too when it comes to promoting chaos.

Ashton Carter (RightWeb profile)
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/carter_ashton

Goldman Sachs, The Aspen's etc...

He's traveled from MIT
The MITRE Corporation (The Center for Media and Democracy/SourceWatch)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/MITRE_Corporation

To Stanford (Beth Duff-Brown 12-5-14 Stanford News)
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/december/carter-defense-appt-120514.html

and Stanford's Hoover Institute-take a look at some of the war criminals there as fellows
http://www.hoover.org/fellows

Add to this thread DUers

Response to bobthedrummer (Original post)

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
30. When it comes to promoting another end to Iran, it's hard to beat Dr. Michael Ledeen (Scott Walker
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jul 2015

loves this guy too)

Here are a couple of critical Ledeen links to consider

Michael Ledeen (Wikispooks)
http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Michael_Ledeen

Michael Ledeen (Right Web profile)
http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Ledeen_Michael

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
32. "Regime Change" Strategy Spreads Chaos (Nat Parry 9-11-15 Consortium News)
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:25 AM
Sep 2015

"Official Washington's 'regime change' strategy for governments that have somehow gotton on the 'enemies list' is now threatening to destabilize not just the Mideast and Africa but Europe as well, yet there is little indication that these policies will change..."
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2015/09/11/regime-change-strategy-spreads-chaos

Those "enemies lists" are guided by people led by James Clapper-who just a couple of days ago at a summit meeting of US intelligence professionals cited the super hero Spider-Man as a useful metaphor for America's intelligence community-now there's a chaos spreading enemy of we, the people, right?

Spy Chief James Clapper Compares U.S. "Intelligence Community" To Spiderman (Kevin Gosztola 9-10-15 Shadow Proof)
http://shadowproof.com/2015/09/10/spy-chief-james-clapper-compares-u-s-intelligence-community-to-spider-man

Chaos promotion indeed is spreading due to the lack of accountability of its adherents to THE PEOPLE.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
33. Sub-munitions promote chaos too, not just in the Middle East. Meet Raytheon's RGM/UGM 109 Tomahawk
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:30 PM
Sep 2015

a major "peace keeping", piece making, asset (Aeroweb link)
http://www.bga-aeroweb.com/Defense/Tomahawk.html

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