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grasswire

(50,130 posts)
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:08 PM Apr 2012

Nazi rules for Dance Orchestras in occupied Czechoslovakia


The information below comes from a book titled The Bass Saxophone written by Joseph Skvorecky, a Czech dissident and peer of Vaclav Havel.

Rules for dance orchestras were posted in Czechoslovakia during the Nazi occupation, issued by a regional official for the Reich. Skvorecky assures readers he has recounted these faithfully, as they were deeply engrained in his mind.


Pieces in foxtrot rhythm (so-called swing) are not to exceed 20% of
the repertoires of light orchestras and dance bands;
in this so-called jazz type repertoire, preference is to be given to
compositions in a major key and to lyrics expressing joy in life
rather than Jewishly gloomy lyrics;

As to tempo, preference is also to be given to brisk compositions over
slow ones so-called blues); however, the pace must not exceed a
certain degree of allegro, commensurate with the Aryan sense of
discipline and moderation.

On no account will Negroid excesses in
tempo (so-called hot jazz) or in solo performances (so-called breaks)
be tolerated; so-called jazz compositions may contain at most 10% syncopation; the remainder must consist of a natural legato movement devoid of the
hysterical rhythmic reverses characteristic of the barbarian races and
conductive to dark instincts alien to the German people (so-called
riffs);

strictly prohibited is the use of instruments alien to the German
spirit (so-called cowbells, flexatone, brushes, etc.) as well as all
mutes which turn the noble sound of wind and brass instruments into a
Jewish-Freemasonic yowl (so-called wa-wa, hat, etc.);


also prohibited are so-called drum breaks longer than half a bar in
four-quarter beat (except in stylized military marches);
the double bass must be played solely with the bow in so-called jazz
compositions; plucking of the strings is prohibited, since it is damaging to the
instrument and detrimental to Aryan musicality; if a so-called
pizzicato effect is absolutely desirable for the character of the
composition, strict care must be taken lest the string be allowed to
patter on the sordine, which is henceforth forbidden;


musicians are likewise forbidden to make vocal improvisations (so-
called scat); all light orchestras and dance bands are advised to restrict the use
of saxophones of all keys and to substitute for them the violin-cello,
the viola or possibly a suitable folk instrument.

Being a Nazi, this public servant obviously didn't miss an opportunity
to couch as many of these regulations as he could in racist or anti-
Semitic terms. Such, after all, are the National Socialist equivalent
of soothing conventional wisdom. But that's just it: If you're a Nazi,
and you can pass something you don't like off as a "Negroid excess,"
or a manifestation of "Jewish Fremason-ry," it helps you with the kind
of Nazi cred you need insulate yourself from having to justify what's
wrong with the music as music. More than that, it helps you hide your
fear of the deeper resonance the music has with people as people. In
an interview given in Prague in 1968, relayed in Talkin' Moscow Blues,
Skvorecky noted that "jazz is, above all, a kind of fraternity."
That's not an entirely obvious thought if you come from the same part
of the world jazz itself does.


Is there a parallel today?



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Nazi rules for Dance Orchestras in occupied Czechoslovakia (Original Post) grasswire Apr 2012 OP
I don't know if JustAnotherGen Apr 2012 #1
We have the equally anal Patriot Act... rfranklin Apr 2012 #7
I don't know JustAnotherGen Apr 2012 #15
Hmm, I think I see the Problem with the NAZIs Confusious Apr 2012 #2
discipline and moderation uber alles! n/t grasswire Apr 2012 #4
Saxophone? KansDem Apr 2012 #3
Don't tell them Sergei Rachmaninoff wrote a piece with a prominent saxophone part!!! Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2012 #9
Not to mention Richard Strauss KansDem Apr 2012 #13
Parallels? Arctic Dave Apr 2012 #5
I was thinking of the denigration of the "other" -- grasswire Apr 2012 #10
I wonder how they would've felt... Wait Wut Apr 2012 #6
Watch the film Swing Kids sometime. dipsydoodle Apr 2012 #8
I did.. whathehell Apr 2012 #19
I was only making the histroric point. dipsydoodle Apr 2012 #21
I understand and as I said, I can appreciate it's historic point. whathehell Apr 2012 #22
Thanks for that dipsydoodle Apr 2012 #23
You're welcome! whathehell Apr 2012 #24
Nope dipsydoodle Apr 2012 #25
So that's why they lost - Dead_Parrot Apr 2012 #11
the Nazis had no defense against cowbells yurbud Apr 2012 #17
LOL! whathehell Apr 2012 #20
Country Line Dancing. (does anyone still do that?) C'mon, thats a no brainer. n/t Joe Shlabotnik Apr 2012 #12
This set of rules scribble Apr 2012 #14
rock minus black influence equals country and Lawrence Welk yurbud Apr 2012 #18
''No cowbells''? So Will Ferrell was making an anti-fascist point in his famous SNL skit: yurbud Apr 2012 #16

JustAnotherGen

(31,924 posts)
1. I don't know if
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:11 PM
Apr 2012

There is a parallel today - but it was fascinating to read the quality and extent of anal retentive the Nazi Public Servant was required to display. Someone get the guy who wrote that the sphincter police!

 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
7. We have the equally anal Patriot Act...
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:54 PM
Apr 2012

which was written before the 9/11 events by anal retentive Republicans.

JustAnotherGen

(31,924 posts)
15. I don't know
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:28 PM
Apr 2012

I didn't see anything in the Patriot Act that cut at music, literature, art, etc etc. Like: ONLY American music by American Composers and American Singers can be performed.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
3. Saxophone?
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:19 PM
Apr 2012
musicians are likewise forbidden to make vocal improvisations (so-
called scat); all light orchestras and dance bands are advised to restrict the use
of saxophones of all keys
and to substitute for them the violin-cello,
the viola or possibly a suitable folk instrument.


Probably because it was invented by a Belgian working in France!

Talk about petty!
 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
9. Don't tell them Sergei Rachmaninoff wrote a piece with a prominent saxophone part!!!
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:58 PM
Apr 2012

The Symphonic Dances, written in 1940.

The cliche about sax music bugs me: I'm talking about movies, where a sax solo indicates that a "loose woman" is about to go prowling.



KansDem

(28,498 posts)
13. Not to mention Richard Strauss
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:34 AM
Apr 2012

He included four saxophones in his "Symphonia Domestica" (soprano in C, alto in F, baritone in F, and bass in C. No tenor?). And he was Hitler's President of the Reichsmusikkammer (although he remained apolitical and never joined the Nazi Party).

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
10. I was thinking of the denigration of the "other" --
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 07:33 PM
Apr 2012

....in this instance the "African" influence obviously filled with debauchery and uncontrolled animal instincts, and the Jewish "negative" and mournful influence. Those are the influences they strive tget others to hate. Just as authoritarians do today.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
6. I wonder how they would've felt...
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:44 PM
Apr 2012

...about "Mustang Sally" and "Sweet Home Alabama"? I could get behind a banning of both.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
8. Watch the film Swing Kids sometime.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:54 PM
Apr 2012

Last edited Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Swing Kids - Part 1



I hadn't realised until tonight, UK time. that the whole film is there - just change part 1 to part 2 etc.

Enjoy !

whathehell

(29,096 posts)
19. I did..
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 04:21 PM
Apr 2012

and while I appreciated the historical point,

most people here, myself included, found the

film unintentionally hillarious!

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
21. I was only making the histroric point.
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 04:35 PM
Apr 2012

Aside from that I've no idea why you'd have found it to be hilarious as perfectly serious subject.

whathehell

(29,096 posts)
22. I understand and as I said, I can appreciate it's historic point.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 01:43 PM
Apr 2012

However, even a film dealing with serious subject matter

can be unintentionally funny (hence the term) if the film is done badly

in terms of dialogue, casting, etc.

If you've ever seen "The Producers"

and heard "Springtime for Hitler" you'll understand.

Many people DID like "Swing Kids", but overall, it was one of

Disney's biggest box office bombs and it scored a terrible

critical rating rating on "Rotten Tomatoes" a film review website

which lists film critics from virtually every corner of the English speaking world.

Here is at least one explanation:

http://www.epinions.com/review/mvie_mu-1042217/content_106375253636?sb=1

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
23. Thanks for that
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 01:56 PM
Apr 2012

I guess its different for me. I can dance to that music, still know at least one of the girls dancing in the opening sequence and Ryan who choreographed the dancing too.

whathehell

(29,096 posts)
24. You're welcome!
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:45 PM
Apr 2012

I neglected to say that the music IS good..No disagreement at all on that!

So you know people in, or otherwise connected to the film?

How interesting! Are you in the arts/entertainment field yourself?



dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
25. Nope
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 06:42 PM
Apr 2012

but I learned to use the 8 beat shuffle of swing music 18 years ago and then went dancing just about every night of the week for the next 8 years. The choreographer they chose for that film was out of depth. He knew Ryan, who's UK like, from when Malcolm X was filmed so he was rowed in to choreograph Swing Kids correctly.

These days I just take swing music for granted - I feel it. I also moved on to a liking for your old time traditional music - I've got about 80 banjos and 25 guitars etc which I really should learn to play sometime.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
17. the Nazis had no defense against cowbells
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 03:56 PM
Apr 2012

but I wonder how the hell they found their cows without them.

scribble

(189 posts)
14. This set of rules
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 02:15 PM
Apr 2012

... pretty much describes a lot of pop music on midwestern AM Radio during the '50s. Lots of musak and violins and march-style ballads and no cowbells, or solos that deviated from a melody line.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
18. rock minus black influence equals country and Lawrence Welk
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 03:58 PM
Apr 2012

Welk was waiting in the wings to reap the rewards.

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