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applegrove

(118,637 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 07:33 PM Jul 2019

The Choice Isn't Between Capitalism or Socialism Allcountriespracticea mixof both, and the U.S.

The Choice Isn’t Between Capitalism or Socialism

All countries practice a mix of both, and the U.S. isn’t the free-market leader some might think. 

By Noah Smith at Bloomberg News

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2019-07-23/the-choice-isn-t-between-capitalism-or-socialism

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Unfortunately, the debate over what these terms actually mean has become hopelessly muddled.  Without a Soviet bloc to provide an official alternative to capitalism, people cast about for examples that fit their desired narrative. Self-appointed defenders of capitalism will point to the economic failures of the USSR, China and North Korea, or to the more recent economic disaster in Venezuela as proof positive of socialism's defects


Socialism’s champions tend to rebut these charges by pointing to the successes of the Scandinavian countries. Sanders himself regularly praises Denmark, and occasionally Sweden, as examples of what he would like to achieve in the U.S., while others prefer Norway. But American socialists have, on occasion, received pushback from residents of those countries -- in 2015, Danish Prime Minister Lars Rasmussen stated bluntly that Denmark was a market economy rather than a socialist one.

So is Sanders right, or is Rasmussen? Are the Scandinavian countries socialist or capitalist? The truth, unfortunately, is much more nuanced and complex. There will never be a clear, simple definition of socialism or capitalism, because there are multiple ways that a government can try to intervene in markets.

Markets aren’t perfect. They generate unequal outcomes, and often unfair ones, and they are subject to numerous inefficiencies. Governments can try to remedy these problems in a number of ways. They can provide services directly, as with the U.K.’s National Health Service. They can own businesses, as China does with state-owned enterprises. They can write regulations to restrain or promote various forms of market activity. They can sanction and empower various institutions like unions that counter the power of business. And they can use taxes and spending to redistribute income and wealth.

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The Choice Isn't Between Capitalism or Socialism Allcountriespracticea mixof both, and the U.S. (Original Post) applegrove Jul 2019 OP
because most Americans are not educated on that subject librechik Jul 2019 #1
Thanks to Reagun! BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #2
Our first Fake President, totally in the grip of Big Money librechik Jul 2019 #3
His presidency is the first that I remember as a new adult. BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #4

librechik

(30,674 posts)
1. because most Americans are not educated on that subject
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 01:46 PM
Jul 2019

and don't even know how to get educated, and Unions, which used to educate folks on these issues, don't anymore.

Union membership is around 7 percent as I recall.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
3. Our first Fake President, totally in the grip of Big Money
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 10:38 AM
Jul 2019

Global interests buying us up like popcorn, and slashing money for education, ending free tuition at State colleges and so much more--
Lee Atwater/Newt blowing up the idea of collegial debate and treating Democrats like dirty baby-killing enemies of the state.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
4. His presidency is the first that I remember as a new adult.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 04:01 PM
Jul 2019

Considering all the GOP BS since 1980 is there any wonder why I despise the GOP so much?!?!?

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