When will Trump backers admit: 'OK, this isn't normal'?
By Megan McArdle
The Washington Post
The left had an easy time settling on its attitude toward President Trumps supporters: a mixture of horrified outrage and sneering contempt. For many of us on the right, though, it hasnt been so easy. The presidents boosters arent our natural enemies; theyre former and hopefully future allies. For three years, weve been struggling to find some way to discuss Trump.
We dont want to destroy Trump supporters but to convince them: that Trumps main life achievements before the presidency lay in the fields of getting publicity, cheating people less powerful than himself and having a rich, politically connected father who could grease his way into the real estate business, rather than negotiating, managing or building; that impulsive, thin-skinned and belligerent people might be a great deal of fun to watch on television or Twitter but are rarely much good at their jobs; that Trumps inexperience and lack of interest in policy have made him remarkably ineffective at pursuing even his stated political goals; and that the cost of his inexperience, his indifference to the day-to-day work of the presidency and his bitterly divisive rhetoric are not worth the transient joy of watching liberals have conniptions.
I wish I could say our attempts at persuasion have worked. Some of our former comrades agree with the indictment but argue that the liberal establishments radicalism has left them no choice but to support the race-baiting vulgarian. The religious right, in particular, senses an existential threat from a combination of overweening government and woke capitalism, and feels compelled to throw in with anyone who promises to fight on its side. Others simply write off our dismay as Trump Derangement Syndrome, or a desire to finally fit in at the proverbial Georgetown cocktail party.
Many days I wonder if I shouldnt just concede defeat. And then
Greenland. Once more unto the breach.
This is a president who canceled a state visit because the prime minister of Denmark declined to sell part of Danish territory to the United States. Can you really look at that sort of behavior and think Trumps critics have the derangement problem?
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Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)They absolutely do not care. It doesn't matter to them.
czarjak
(11,274 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)when he said he was the chosen one (also that this was to poke LeBron James, who has that tattoo or something... why he'd get all sarcastic about LeBron James when talking about China wasn't explained).
And he was "sarcastic" about buying Greenland and being king and the second coming, and why can't libs get the joke?
It's gotten so they just grasp at something to make a defense of him, even if it makes no sense. WHY would he be sarcastic and say he's the chosen one? Sarcasm has a point, right? You're ribbing someone, or trying to make someone feel foolish? Who was that?
They don't say. It's enough that they have something, anything, to defend him to say that what he said wasn't what he meant.
And when directly asked, "Why on earth would he be sarcastic about this?" the writer went off on something about how "the libs" needed to know that he has a sense of humor. Huh?
It's like none of this has anything to do with governing or getting what the rightwingers want done or anything anymore-- it's all just about letting Trump feel powerful and popular and free to antagonize everyone. "Let Trump be Trump"= it's utterly devoid of any real purpose. They no longer even give lip service to how he's right on an issue or doing something important. All that matters is that he's allowed to do and say whatever he wants.
I think it's really hard to persuade someone like that by pointing out that he's failing at being president. They don't care. In their minds, he's a great success at being Trump, and that's what they have to protect.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)Birds of a feather -- they tend to flock together, particularly the stupid ones. Not waiting for hell to freeze over for that element but his 2016 level of support, aside from 25-30% hard-cover deplorables, appears to be crumbling.
Igel
(35,300 posts)In fact, many have this as the reason for voting for him.
Mr. Vision, Bush I, was "normal."
Bush II was normal.
Clinton, not quite so normal, but still easily within a standard deviation.
Obama pushed the boundary, and, to be honest, that's why a lot of people voted for him. I know a lot of people who admitted that race or the fact that he was lying was the reason for voting for him in 2016 than in 2012 or 2008. They wanted to be on the "right side of history" or knew that when he said he'd balance the budget and what he said about LBGTQ rights (etc., etc.) it wouldn't happen, or if he did actually believe those things he'd quickly "evolve" (meaning "change in a way that I like" .
Trump's clearly outside that 1 standard deviation line, possibly 2 or 3 standard deviations. And yet they still point to the disconnect between what he says (or says he'll do) and what he actually does.
As for the "he canceled a state vision" line, it wasn't the non-sale, but the writer knew that. It's just that it wasn't the easiest, deftest point to get applause, so accurate information wasn't really important. As the BBC put it, "The president takes offence after Denmark's PM called his idea of buying the Arctic island 'absurd'." Trump picks up on microaggressions, and calling the deal "absurd" is at the least a centi-aggression if not a full aggression. Trump's pride is prickly, and he's gone at the least little sign of disrespect unless there's really something he wants out of the deal.
I'd point out that the omission of info may be because in the Trumpian era we're "post-truth" and blame Russia and Trump for that, but a good synonym for "post-truth" is "truthy". When was "truthy" a thing?
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Cartoonist
(7,316 posts)the liberal establishments radicalism has left them no choice but to support the race-baiting vulgarian
What Radicalism? Healthcare? Gun laws? Good Schools? Clean environment? Income equality? Separation of church and state? Reproductive Freedom? Peace?
Oh yeah, race-baiting is better than all those things.