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ancianita

(36,095 posts)
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 07:10 PM Dec 2021

Robert Elder's biography of John C. Calhoun situates today's nullification in U.S. history.

Yes, WSJ. I make this one exception to post what I consider a pretty darned good book review for a biography of an historical figure who still drives the politics of today. This review (and WSJ) show that they recognize the intellectual roots of today's right wing, which we should not be ignorant of, either.

In the course of his chronicle, Mr. Elder traces how Calhoun’s thinking continues to influence American society today and shows how academic scholarship has moved ever closer to accepting Calhoun’s once shocking ideas about the role of slavery in American history.

In writings published after his death, Calhoun said more about one particular concession he had begun to consider: a constitutional amendment that would transform the executive branch by giving each region of the country its own president and, thus, its own veto. In such a way, he believed, the U.S. would achieve the true aim of constitutional government: rule not by the numerical majority, which he believed would always result in one group wielding power to the detriment of another, but by the “concurrent majority,” an arrangement that would require the consent of all groups.

That Calhoun had the protection of slaveholders in mind has not stopped his theory from resurfacing in other contexts, as Mr. Elder tells us, from power-sharing proposals in post-apartheid South Africa to the peace process in Northern Ireland. In what Mr. Elder calls the “most fascinating twist,” traces of Calhoun’s arguments have even appeared in proposals for “exactly the opposite of what he wanted”—that is, special protections for racial minorities.

Attempts to make Calhoun fit neatly into our current politics miss the message of this much-needed biography. Calhoun “belongs at the center of the stories we tell about our past,” Mr. Elder writes. Ironically, Calhoun predicted that, if North and South ever split apart over slavery—as they did a decade after his death—future generations would tell a different story of our past, beginning with what he considered a disastrous error: the decision by Jefferson to include the words “all men are created equal” in the Declaration of Independence. Those words, as Lincoln would say, laid a foundation for slavery’s demise and marked the beginning of a country dedicated to principles more noble than we sometimes remember today.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/calhoun-review-the-nullifiers-mixed-legacy-11612541709



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Robert Elder's biography of John C. Calhoun situates today's nullification in U.S. history. (Original Post) ancianita Dec 2021 OP
His plantation was the land on which they founded Clemson University SCantiGOP Dec 2021 #1
Not surprised. ancianita Dec 2021 #3
At Clemson University in South Carolina, a main administration building is named after Ben Tillman spike jones Dec 2021 #4
Still a big difference at U of So Carolina and Clemson SCantiGOP Dec 2021 #5
I just read-up on the name issue and see what you mean. spike jones Dec 2021 #6
As you recall then SCantiGOP Dec 2021 #7
I am sure the "cold war" between USC and CU is still strong, especially about football. spike jones Dec 2021 #8
"Any means necessary" czarjak Dec 2021 #2

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
1. His plantation was the land on which they founded Clemson University
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:17 PM
Dec 2021

Just one more reason to hate the Tiggers.❌🐯❌

ancianita

(36,095 posts)
3. Not surprised.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 05:24 AM
Dec 2021

It ticks me off to no end that Yale produces the Calhouns and Hawleys that occupy Congress.
I know we have more D's from there, but the Hawleys, Cruzes, Cottons, all Calhoun boys, bought and paid for by Big Corps, would, first chance they get, turn this nation fascist and right back into a Big Corps plantation that doesn't care about what kind of government -- minority or majority rule -- we have, just so they're in control.

Under their leadership the U.S. would look like West Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas and Texas.

spike jones

(1,680 posts)
4. At Clemson University in South Carolina, a main administration building is named after Ben Tillman
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 10:41 AM
Dec 2021

Last edited Mon Dec 13, 2021, 11:19 AM - Edit history (1)

who said this: “We have done our level best [to prevent blacks from voting]...we have scratched our heads to find out how we could eliminate the last one of them. We stuffed ballot boxes. We shot them. We are not ashamed of it.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Tillman

Several years ago, a group tried to get the name changed, but failed.
In some years Clemson Tigers are leaders in college football, every year Clemson leads in racism.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/10/20/1147676/-Clemson-Fans-Boo-the-POTUS-on-Military-Appreciation-Day

https://jezebel.com/clemson-suspends-white-frat-over-racist-cripmas-party-1669246916

https://joycolumbus.com/6162/rotting-bananas-hanging-from-building-prompt-clemson-sit-in/

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/u-s-world/clemsons-black-student-vp-impeached-after-pledge-protest/

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
5. Still a big difference at U of So Carolina and Clemson
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 11:45 AM
Dec 2021

At USC there is an active movement to resist the Legislature and change some of the slave owner names on buildings. Clemson, not so much.

It was Tillman that moved after the Civil War to equalize funding between the two schools. He tried to delete funding for USC, saying it was just a place for rich boys to study Greek and the Law, neither of which he found necessary.

spike jones

(1,680 posts)
6. I just read-up on the name issue and see what you mean.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:39 PM
Dec 2021

I haven’t lived in SC since 1966 when I dropped out of Clemson, but have an interest there since it was an important time for me, as the college years are for everyone. I was on the football team and was kicked-off for having long hair, and then the head of the Forestry department said that he would never sign my degree until I cut it. Not really fond memories, but interesting. Off topic, but I know the real story about Howard’s Rock.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
7. As you recall then
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:12 PM
Dec 2021

There was and still is a Cold War between Clemson and my alma Mater, USC.
Not at all surprised to hear your “long haired hippie”
story about those times. We would always get hassled (1969-73) when we went downtown, sometimes to the point of being refused service.

spike jones

(1,680 posts)
8. I am sure the "cold war" between USC and CU is still strong, especially about football.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 02:09 PM
Dec 2021

I have not watched a football game since 1966.
Regarding the story about Howard’s Rock and getting kicked off the football team. It was not a big deal for the school students at large, but it was a very big deal with the football players and created a discord among the team. Team unity and all that. That year was 1965 and I dropped the football scholarship the next year and paid my own way. The players could not believe I would do that over a haircut, and it was a dividing issue with the team even after I left. The players would see me on campus shaggy hair and all. So much so that it was decided a symbol was needed to stress the importance of team unity and effort. Hence Howard’s Rock was installed and has been a fifty-four-year tradition. Hundreds of football players have rubbed that rock and unknowingly paid homage to my lack of a haircut.

Back on topic, Clemson was integrated in 1963, the year I started, but the football team was all white until after Coach Howard retired. The two events are connected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard%27s_Rock

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