HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » Editorials & Other Articles (Forum) » I watched coach Kennedy p...

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:59 PM

I watched coach Kennedy pray with students. It wasn't OK, whatever the court says

By Paul Peterson, father of four former Bremerton High School students

Iím a very proud parent. Several of my children were in the marching band and my son played junior varsity football, so my wife and I spent many Friday nights listening to the band and cheering on the Bremerton High School Knights ó our home team just across the Puget Sound from Seattle.

As proud as we are, I recognize those high school activities arenít about me or the other adults, or even the teachers and coaches. The games are for the kids ó the players on the field, the band and the students in the stands. And itís those kids who have been largely left out of the conversation about the Supreme Court case Kennedy v. Bremerton School District, which has hung over our community for more than six years

Iím disappointed, though not terribly surprised, that the court found Monday that it was OK for the teamís former coach, Joseph Kennedy, to hold public prayers with student players on the 50-yard line after football games. In their 6-3 decision along ideological lines, the justices undermined the religious freedom of public school students in favor of those of their adult coach. Iím very concerned that public school teachers and coaches now wonít know where the line is between their private prayers and public religious displays that students will feel pressured to join.

I witnessed the team gatherings Kennedy led many times and assumed they were traditional postgame pep talks; the coach would stride to the school logo at center field and hold up a pair of helmets while the players would encircle him and take a knee. From the stands, I couldnít hear what he was saying, but I assumed he was celebrating a game well played or motivating the players to come back stronger for the next game.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/coach-kennedy-wins-supreme-court-case-praying-football-games-students-rcna35478

Please read the whole thing before commenting. This is from a parent who was there.

13 replies, 1672 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 13 replies Author Time Post
Reply I watched coach Kennedy pray with students. It wasn't OK, whatever the court says (Original post)
Jilly_in_VA Jun 27 OP
cbabe Jun 27 #1
Jilly_in_VA Jun 27 #3
eppur_se_muova Jun 27 #8
OldBaldy1701E Jun 27 #11
SWBTATTReg Jun 27 #2
Jilly_in_VA Jun 27 #4
Evolve Dammit Jun 27 #12
twodogsbarking Jun 27 #5
Baitball Blogger Jun 27 #6
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 27 #7
mopinko Jun 27 #9
eppur_se_muova Jun 27 #10
Evolve Dammit Jun 27 #13

Response to Jilly_in_VA (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 02:06 PM

1. Christians pray in private. Don't know what this guy is.

https://www.touchinglives.org õ devotionals õ praying-in-private

Praying in Private - Touching Lives
Feb 1, 2021Praying in Private February 1, 2021 "But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you." Matthew 6:6 It is interesting to note that when Jesus taught His disciples how to pray, he first taught them where to pray.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cbabe (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 02:17 PM

3. I would hazard a guess

that he'd one of those Talibangelicals.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cbabe (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 03:49 PM

8. Rightwingers go suddenly blind when they get to Matthew 6:1, and stay that way for several verses.

6 ďTake heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. 2 Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 3 But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you [a]openly.

The Model Prayer

5 ďAnd when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6 But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you [c]openly. 7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

8 ďTherefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 05:11 PM

11. I was about to point out

That Matthew 6:5 is the most important part of that stanza. They do it for their own popularity, not for any piety or devotion.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jilly_in_VA (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 02:14 PM

2. I would just leave but that's me. Others may feel otherwise, etc., but IMHO, I get a little

mad/pissed off that someone else is telling me what to do w/ my personal religious beliefs and then showcase theirs (getting down on their knees in front of all of us, expecting us to follow?). Screw you.

There is a thing called personal freedom and I intend to play it to the hilt, that is, my personal freedom.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 02:39 PM

4. Kids often feel pressured

I was a pretty huffy teen and I might have stalked out, but not every kid feels they can, especially if it's their coach up there.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 07:04 PM

12. Exactly what I would do as well. It's a game dickhead.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jilly_in_VA (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 02:47 PM

5. How about equal time for those who think religion is a sham.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jilly_in_VA (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 02:49 PM

6. When my daughter was in high school, there was a high school coach who trained

the leaders of his team to lead the team in prayer before game time. That's how he went around the separation of church and state rule. His daughter played on the team so he would find out later how it all went down. So, if the other players would resisted, he would have known about it. They could have been afraid that it would have meant loss of player time, or some other kind of retaliation. He was a very conservative autocratic kind of guy.

So, what rights do the players have to not be part of these prayers, when these things are insidiously introduced as a team bonding experience? Do you want to be part of this team? Then pray with us and do not complain.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jilly_in_VA (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 03:06 PM

7. Good editorial

The author points out that religious activity or lack of is a parental prerogative. The coach was taking it upon himself without parental consent. So much for family values.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jilly_in_VA (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 03:50 PM

9. cant say gay, but feel free to praise the lord. got it.

damn, i'm glad my kids are grown.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jilly_in_VA (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 03:50 PM

10. When the coach calls for prayer, look around and ask, "Which way is Mecca?". nt

Hey, SNL skit there !

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 07:08 PM

13. Now that would be classic!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread