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lees1975

(3,861 posts)
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 04:28 PM Aug 2022

There's a way for Democrats to call out and rally against white Christian nationalism

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/08/theres-way-for-democrats-to-call-out.html

Christian nationalism "poses a very real threat to our freedoms and our democracy," says MSNBC Opinion Columnist Dean Obeidallah. "Yet Democrats have still not found a way to call out and rally against this xenophobic radical, religious movement even though the answer is staring them in the face: This is yet another example of the GOP's dangerous embrace of extremism."

I believe there is a way for Democrats to call it out, rally against it and then put themselves in a position to defeat it.

One of the reasons Democrats have difficulty calling this movement out, and finding a way to defeat it is that the approach that is taken excludes much of the direct evidence which undermines the basic premises and assertions made by Christian nationalists, and some of the most effective voices capable of arguing against it. The main argument against it is that it isn't Christian. That's the approach that Democrats need to take.

By embracing Christians who believe that their political expression is best represented by the Democratic party, who understand and hold strong convictions about the constitutional separation of church and state protecting their religious freedom which enables the unhindered practice of their faith, the party has both the means and the evidence to call out white, Christian nationalists as pseudo-Christian and anti-Christian, and help the party save American democracy from destruction by their fascist, racist ambitions. It gives Democrats the credibility to call out this aberration that is dangerous to democracy and religious liberty, as well as to the church itself, because it is an invasive heresy that is hijacking the mission and purpose of the church and using Christianity as a means to achieve political ends.
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There's a way for Democrats to call out and rally against white Christian nationalism (Original Post) lees1975 Aug 2022 OP
More liberal Methodists would be likely to listen. no_hypocrisy Aug 2022 #1
When have we not done this? Scrivener7 Aug 2022 #2
Can you point to a specific place where we have? lees1975 Aug 2022 #4
They are saying the mechanism to do that is to embrace normal Christians. We already do. Scrivener7 Aug 2022 #5
Aren't most of the Democrats elected to office Christian ? haven't all presidential JI7 Aug 2022 #9
They're the ones wanting us dead. onecaliberal Aug 2022 #3
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #6
That says it all! lees1975 Aug 2022 #7
It IS Christian. Religion can be hateful and violent . JI7 Aug 2022 #8
It is pseudo-Christian lees1975 Aug 2022 #10
Don't people who don't believe in God go to Hell according to Christianity ? JI7 Aug 2022 #11

no_hypocrisy

(46,122 posts)
1. More liberal Methodists would be likely to listen.
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 04:38 PM
Aug 2022

Not the ones who are ready to start their own Methodist denomination over LGBT issues and parishioners.

Scrivener7

(50,955 posts)
2. When have we not done this?
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 04:50 PM
Aug 2022
"By embracing Christians who believe that their political expression is best represented by the Democratic party, who understand and hold strong convictions about the constitutional separation of church and state protecting their religious freedom which enables the unhindered practice of their faith, the party has both the means and the evidence to call out white, Christian nationalists as pseudo-Christian and anti-Christian, and help the party save American democracy from destruction by their fascist, racist ambitions."

lees1975

(3,861 posts)
4. Can you point to a specific place where we have?
Sun Aug 21, 2022, 06:53 PM
Aug 2022

That's not a provocative question, but if you've seen an example of this, that's a direct confrontation using the talking points of Christian nationalists and turning their own arguments around on them, like the last section of the article referenced in this post on The Signal Press, I'd love to read it. Something like this link, [link:https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/07/a-pseudo-christian-threat-to-both.html|which answers their claims by pointing out where they fail to follow Biblical teaching.

Or like this: [link:https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/08/signs-of-bad-religion-among.html|

JI7

(89,252 posts)
9. Aren't most of the Democrats elected to office Christian ? haven't all presidential
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 08:35 PM
Aug 2022

candidates been christian ?

JI7

(89,252 posts)
8. It IS Christian. Religion can be hateful and violent .
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 08:33 PM
Aug 2022

Just like many good people are non reliigiuos and atheist.

It's stupid to try to argue that people who clearly ARE a certain religion aren't and that something with a violent history isn't what it is. The same is true with other religions.

Our position is separation of church and state. We don't care what your religion says about any issue. Our laws aren't based on that.

We already won this argument mostly and it's where most of the modern world is at.

Doing what this guy is suggesting is going back to days when "it's adam and eve not Adam and Steve" was taken as a serious argument to oppose people's civil rights.

lees1975

(3,861 posts)
10. It is pseudo-Christian
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 10:59 PM
Aug 2022

and there's a distinctive difference.

https://time.com/6201483/christian-nationalism-threat-democracy/

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/24/us/white-christian-nationalism-blake-cec/index.html

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/christian-nationalism-is-single-biggest-threat-to-americas-religious-freedom/

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/february-web-only/what-is-christian-nationalism.html

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/07/a-pseudo-christian-threat-to-both.html

These are all Christian sources, from within Evangelical Christianity, which identify white Christian nationalism as being pseudo-Christian, using the symbols and language of Christian faith, but counterfeit as a genuine faith, according to the Christian scriptures which are the standard by which genuine, authentic Christian faith is measured. Yeah, lots of reading there but Christianity is defined by an authoritative standard, not by opinion or declaration.

And that must be understood by Democrats of all religious or non-religious persuasions, in order to call it out, and defeat it.

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