When Parents Hear That Their Child 'Is Not Normal and Should Not Exist'
Mr. Neiss is the father of an 11-year-old transgender boy, a fact that has tangled into every aspect of his life. He and his wife are trying to figure out how their son can have a bar mitzvah in accordance with their Orthodox Jewish faith. A New York City transplant to St. Louis, Mr. Neiss now stays up late combing through Zillow listings for houses across the Mississippi River in Illinois, worried that this will be the year Missouri legislators outlaw the medical care he and his wife believe is saving their sons life.
NYT's latest transgender opinion piece. No paywall:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/18/opinion/trans-gender-missouri.html?unlocked_article_code=qvDUmxPhs2tRQ3yDGOmpw7Jt5mEyAm9PBbImEI9ro7ZW2WsYzmcQYdsgYtH0dJ30OCxx0RaFo4hRKG2J88BhwzrRsOrV2bHpAooMKId1NVwpsYnQjn7bFMfW5hyusOA9r_uT07yLwBYI24sBda9YUp4R12g4rpij-x4p1ekx1-dYWi7sq6oDVYKs4nlz-Aecq9Pv6yzlfc-GDRt8Q5hek_q2vBmGeyxxpZ6iszWLD_HclNDE709ARVNfRqPUGWfYysf_gr4QEQkBlhIFSB_fYNa0onazPN1kelHejd2F8AaQoowdW71kf45U8mDBuVOjYT08KOD6EvWcXzIXpZTY&smid=url-share
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)They are on a fucking crusade against us.
reACTIONary
(5,790 posts).... I don't know if you read this piece, but if you have not, you might want to.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)I will say it again and again
reACTIONary
(5,790 posts).... bullshit.
Ms. Toad
(34,119 posts)consisting of trans individuals and organizations most likely to be able to recognize bias in reporting are imagining things?
That you - who used a transhostile slur in this thread - are in a better position to recognize when news coverage of trans issues is biased? Even people on DU don't recognize the bias when it is used in conversations here. EarlG acknowledged that juries are getting it wrong and leaving way too many transhostile posts because they don't recognize the bias.
Before going too far out on a limb to support the NYT reporting on trans issues, I'd suggest you spend some time listening to trans individuals and their allies.
Just as a quick example, the second opinion piece you posted has some good parts. Hearing the voices of trans individual in a national forum is a great start. But instead of letting the individual speak for themselves, the NYT added an introduction that went out of its way to pander to both-sides-ism.
For example:
The NYT characterized how trans individuals feel about children transitioning as, "There was no uniform perspective on when or whether children should be allowed to transition."
The reality is that the show of hands reported in the article was 11-1 to allow teenagers to take puberty blockers. When the phrase "no uniform perspective" is used, it typically means a split close to half. Not one, sole, Trump supporter standing against the majority. And even that person suggested 13-18 was an appropriate time to begin transitioning.
In the first article, wildly inaccurate opinions were included as part of a conversation - for example - that puberty blockers are being given to 2-3 year olds. When wildly inaccurate opinions about COVID or the 2020 election are asserted, responsible journalists typically include disclaimers near the opinions that the opinion is non-factual. No such disclaimer was included in that article.
The fact that an artical or opinion piece is published in the NYT doesn't make it fair game to use to open up a discussion on DU as to whether restrictions on access to medical care, bans on participation in sports, prohibition on using the bathroom which matches gender is acceptable.
The NYT has different rules for pubishing opinions than the DU TOS. If an opinion would be barred here as trans-hostile, or right wing talking points, publication in the NYT (rather than on Fox) doesn't transform it into fair game as a vehicle to invite the expression of opinions which are otherwise barred here.
I don't know what your purpose is in bringing articles like this to DU, but I do know that such articles have served to invite members of DU to express transhostile opinions on such issues as participation in sports, gender affirming care, etc.
I would encourage you to think carefully about the articles you bring that might invite transhostile opinions, and either refrain from sharing them, or make a point of explaining what non-hostile purpose you have in sharing them.
reACTIONary
(5,790 posts)... forming my own independent judgement as to whether the reporting is biased or not. I read the NYT's articles concerning transgender issues regularly. I also read the letter and cross checked against some of the articles that were quoted. I did not agree with the letter's assessment.
The NYT is a good resource for learning and gaining understanding from transgender individuals and activists. The OP concerns the parents of a transgender child who are fighting against oppressive laws in MO. It includes some very good information about the benefits of puberty blockers for youngsters and how that therapy essentially saved their child's life. This is something that people should know and understand, and the NYT is getting that message out.
The article posted down thread is a round table discussion with 12 transgender individuals about their lives and experiences and how they would like to be received by others. Once again, its good to hear these voices and understand their points of view. A lot of readers would never get to hear from them if the NYT did not publish their stories.
I believe the NYT's reporting is a positive and important force for progressive change in the area of transgender rights and equality.
Ms. Toad
(34,119 posts)If not, then how would you know an article which contained that term was biased?
You need to listen to the voices of people whose lives are being discussed. You seem to acknowledge that need in praising the articles which raises their voices - yet you claim their voices are unimportant (or worse yet, wrong) when those same voices tell you that the NYT is biased - because you don't see the bias.
reACTIONary
(5,790 posts).... I said that I disagreed with them. I also think that the voices of the 12 transgender individuals speaking about their experiences and views are important. And I'm glad the NYT gave them the opportunity to speak out and share.
reACTIONary
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These 12 Transgender Americans Would Like You to Mind Your Own Business
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/02/09/opinion/transgender-americans-focus-group.html?unlocked_article_code=-qAPE1zlM2UN6rwyukA6JC5Ro-ivsJrVzzCp7mKE_A1XYktF6bsKkAysX0MHzuqaHKc-it80vRRR1oFHkOPFEZ4vYljU8U3V_082sohLmi2_WjmjEmA8oLMZL2Pe2v_xarXBo61xanZbLYpzQ-nTDvbgpUs_eo9-72p7bKykmWfhfUMXIeyc_UHkZ7FJ74pion_IXlnsyfFr3wCdvMNiXGx6C78C-24v4ioYMjmfAoA2sDYev_2L1AiaeftgZDVGW3NFWWhjYFeUkxLbmQ-7LDJS1IV1mYmj5GeokebMy3ia_jdca0EbPwiza6bD5wFB0jnT-cmoiC0FPE54AeUIWE9h_9qJaYg9q76sCjScKicQkj5LSGn-A3qQ7w&smid=url-share
Ms. Toad
(34,119 posts)Please don't use offensive terms.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)And trying to explain to me how I'm wrong. And then using transgendered? Why is this crap allowed to fly here?
reACTIONary
(5,790 posts)vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)The actual fuck...? Still doesn't matter about whether or not they post an article. And that letter isn't bullshit. NYT coverage of us has been abysmal.