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Emrys

(7,281 posts)
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 08:31 PM Oct 2023

Why the MSM keep on slipping up on Gaza/Israel [Threadreader version of Twitter thread]

This is the Threadreader version of a Twitter thread linked at the end of this OP:

John Burn-Murdoch
@jburnmurdoch
Oct 18

Some quick thoughts on why large parts of the mainstream media keep slipping up on Gaza/Israel (and why it was the same at times with Covid):

The main reason is a failure to keep pace with modern news gathering techniques, but there’s more.

With the proliferation of photos/footage, satellite imagery and map data, forensic video/image analysis and geolocation (~OSINT) has clearly been a key news gathering technique for several years now. A key news gathering technique *completely absent from most newsrooms*.

Obviously not every journalist should be an OSINT specialist, just as not every journalist is a specialist in combing through financial accounts, or scraping websites, or doing undercover investigations. But any large news org should have *some* OSINT specialists.

Some of the biggest international news orgs now do have OSINT teams (or similar). @washingtonpost calls theirs “visual forensics”, @nytimes and @FT go with “visual investigations”. But most news orgs, even large ones, still don’t.

This means that when you have events unfolding rapidly amid a fog of war, most news orgs are still completely reliant on what they’re told by their sources. This isn’t ideal at the best of times, but especially so when different sources are clearly motivated to mislead.

It was the same during Covid, when everyone was quoting officials talking about things that could easily be checked and sometimes debunked by someone capable of doing their own data analysis. But there weren’t enough of those skills in newsrooms, so unchecked claims abounded.

Even when newsrooms have built up these resources (whether OSINT or data) the newness of those teams means there’s some initial wariness about relying on new people (often young and not from traditional journalism backgrounds, so considered outsiders) for massive news lines.

The result is most mainstream news orgs today are either simply not equipped to determine for themselves what’s happening in some of the world’s biggest stories, or lack the confidence to allow their in-house technical specialists to cast doubt on a star reporter’s trusted source

So you end up with situations where huge, respected news organisations are reporting as fact things that have already been shown by technically adept news gatherers outside newsrooms to be false or at the very least highly uncertain. It’s hugely damaging to trust in journalism.

Even without an in-house OSINT team, organisations like @bellingcat and @airwars have been around for almost a decade now to assist. With a situation like Gaza/Israel, any time you’re getting a comment from an official spokesperson, you should also be getting a comment from OSINT

Of course, news orgs also don’t help themselves by insisting on coming out with definitive takes immediately.

I obviously get the desire to be first, and the instinctive dislike of ambiguity.

But in situations like this, surely it’s better to be second and definitively correct?

Plus, with the sheer amount of footage these days, and the number of OSINT specialists combing through it, we’re often only talking about waiting a few hours.

I’m sure mainstream media will catch up, but it needs to happen fast in order to retain trust and even relevance, or readers will go elsewhere.

“According to a spokesperson” just doesn’t really cut it when the primary evidence is right there.

Beyond OSINT, I think the overarching issue is:

There’s an implicit assumption in most of journalism that the only way to find out what’s happening is to ask someone.

For years now it’s been possible to do better than that, but the industry has not fully taken this on board.

One final thought:

Fact-checks after the fact are inherently limited. “A lie is halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on”.

Forensic, investigative, truth-seeking work should be a proactive part of breaking news coverage, not a reactive add-on afterwards



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Why the MSM keep on slipping up on Gaza/Israel [Threadreader version of Twitter thread] (Original Post) Emrys Oct 2023 OP
In this specific case, one has to rely on Israeli sources question everything Oct 2023 #1
No, Israel has been proven not to be reliable at times in the past, Emrys Oct 2023 #2
Look at the "Israeli attack" on the hospital that never was question everything Oct 2023 #3
I'm reserving judgement on that controversial hospital bombing Emrys Oct 2023 #4

question everything

(47,549 posts)
1. In this specific case, one has to rely on Israeli sources
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 01:14 AM
Oct 2023

Why? Because every Israeli is part of the reserve units and even when mobilized they are in contact with family and friends. Israel is a small country with many sources of info thus it is impossible to spread lies.

Sure, with social media every one can post a lie, or at least exaggeration but soon enough others will expose them.

Emrys

(7,281 posts)
2. No, Israel has been proven not to be reliable at times in the past,
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 01:18 AM
Oct 2023

and there's no reason to assume any country at war will always be truthful.

Emrys

(7,281 posts)
4. I'm reserving judgement on that controversial hospital bombing
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
Oct 2023

The UK's Channel 4 News, just about the UK's most reputable news organization, ran a detailed segment on it tonight, and the official stories on both sides have anomalies. Other investigations so far have come up with similar doubts. The US State Department is hedging while giving Israel the benefit of the doubt. I guess I'm among those people President Biden referred to the other day as being "not sure". There'll be plenty more tragedies soon enough anyway for people to pick over, for all it'll do to help.

So are you contending that Israel is unique among countries at war in always being frank and truthful and immune from the fog of war? It's certainly not unique in having a large proportion of its population under arms, so that seems an unconvincing argument. You asked for "your example". Here's Haaretz last year:



https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-08-16/ty-article/.highlight/after-initial-denial-israeli-officials-admit-5-palestinian-minors-killed-in-gaza-strike/00000182-a2b6-d825-a5a7-aaf6d3320000

There are many more that could be cited if somebody was under the misapprehension that Israel has been immune from the fog of war, but you asked for a singular example, so there it is. You can find more via Google as well as I can if you need them, I've not been keeping a dossier.

In any case, it wasn't my intention under this OP to single out Israel, but you brought it up. The thread I posted talks about general approaches and principles that can apply to any situation or conflict or adversaries.

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