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NNadir

(33,580 posts)
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 11:47 AM Feb 13

Germany Will Spend 16 Billion Dollars on Gas Power Plants to Replace Nuclear and Reduce Coal Reliance.

EU's largest economy spending billions to replace nuclear power

Germany is set to make a large investment in four gas-fired plants, the government has announced

Germany is set to spend 16 billion to construct four gas-fired power plants as it seeks to ensure an adequate supply of electricity after scrapping its nuclear reactors, the Economy Ministry announced earlier this week.

This comes as part of a major overhaul of the country's energy grid, according to the ministry.

The new gas-fired power plants will subsequently be converted to run on hydrogen between 2035 and 2040. A market-based capacity-boosting mechanism will allow power generation to be expanded by 2028, German officials said in a statement.

The plants will have a total capacity of up to 10 gigawatts (GW), which will come "in addition to the consistent expansion of renewable energies," and are expected to be vital to ensuring steady electricity supplies "even in times where there is little sun and wind."



There's some of that German antinuke bullshit in this article, about the "hydrogen is green" fantasy. BASF in Germany shut it's ammonia plants because they couldn't send money to Putin to make hydrogen from natural gas.

BASF closes ammonia production plant in Germany Rubina Freiberg, Agriland, March 3, 2023.

Hydrogen, like all rhetoric bad mouthing nuclear power, is a dishonest scheme to entrench the fossil fuel industry and keep it running.

A Giant Climate Lie: When they're selling hydrogen, what they're really selling is fossil fuels.

It sure doesn't sound like Germany is doing anything to get off fossil fuels. Like all antinuke rhetoric they're investing - no one builds power plants they actually plan to shut them - in a fossil fueled future.

Here's where half a century of antinukism has brought us:

At the Mauna Loa CO2 Observatory, a Terrifying, Startling Week and Month, New Records Everywhere.

There will be hell to pay.

Have a nice day.

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marble falls

(57,405 posts)
1. 16 Billion doesn't seem enough. But I guess it's like the late Sen Everett Dirkson once said: A billion here, ...
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 11:56 AM
Feb 13

... a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking talking about a serious amount of money.

NNadir

(33,580 posts)
2. Germany already has a lot of gas plants, powered by Putin, and coal plants as well, which the antinukes fired up...
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 11:58 AM
Feb 13

...when they shut nuclear power plants.

marble falls

(57,405 posts)
3. There's such a glut of nat gas, are the Russians giving it away? We burn off several nation's worth of gas in the ...
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 12:02 PM
Feb 13

... Texas Panhandle alone each year.

NNadir

(33,580 posts)
4. There is definitely enough natural gas to rapidly and totally destroy the planetary atmosphere.
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 12:05 PM
Feb 13

I'm wondering about the extent to which atmospherically leaked methane is oxidized to CO2 is driving the recent surges in the readings at the Mauna Loa CO2 Observatory.

I've been following these many years and 2024 is so far shocking the hell out of me. I knew it would be bad but I didn't know it would be this bad.

John ONeill

(60 posts)
5. Methane
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 10:28 PM
Feb 13

Last edited Tue Feb 13, 2024, 11:51 PM - Edit history (1)

It's not the carbon getting oxidised to CO2 that's the problem - that greatly reduces its global warming potential. It's the hydrogen going to water vapour, if it happens above the tropopause, which is usually dry. Below ~30,000 feet water just rains out, but in the lower stratosphere, it can last for a while, either as water vapour or ice clouds, and has a greater warming effect even than methane. It also breaks down the ozone layer. Usual vectors to get WV up there would be methane, jet engine exhausts, and occasionally tropical superstorms - or the big Tongan eruption two years back.
CH4 > H2O(g) is supposed to increase the GWP of methane by about 15%.
John O'Neill

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