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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 06:14 AM Mar 2013

Is history wrong about the Wright Brothers?

New evidence suggests German immigrant flew TWO YEARS before pioneers took off at Kitty Hawk

A growing number of aviation experts say history is wrong about the Wright Brothers - their 1903 flight at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina was not the first.

This new movement claims the first manned flight of an airplane was made by German immigrant Gustave Whitehead more than two years earlier in Connecticut.

However, the only known photograph of the takeoff of his plane the Condor is too blurry to definitively confirm the flight and the original was lost decades ago - forcing historians to rely on a version that is even less clear.

Most mainstream aeronautical historians, including those at the Smithson Institution, are unswayed by newspaper accounts of Mr Whitehead making several flights before the Wright Brothers.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2292971/Is-history-wrong-Wright-Brothers-New-evidence-suggests-German-immigrant-flew-TWO-YEARS-pioneers-took-Kitty-Hawk.html#ixzz2NVXuNETa

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mulsh

(2,959 posts)
5. buried deep in the story "Further, several witnesses - interviewed 30 years later - said the flight
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 11:29 AM
Mar 2013

never happened"

mopinko

(70,090 posts)
6. gustave didn't go home and start an airplane company.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 11:40 AM
Mar 2013

and the really important thing about the wright flyer wasn't that it flew, but that it turned.

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
7. I'm siding with the Wright Brothers on this one, on evidence alone.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 04:12 PM
Mar 2013

This is not a case of Thomas Edison or somebody swooping it, robbing a guy of his design, patenting it, making millions, and getting away with it because Edison, et al, already had millions; i.e. Nicola Tesla.

There doesn't seem to be any hard evidence that this guy achieved sustained, controllable, powered, heavier-than-air flight.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
8. actually, I flew before the Wright brothers. There just wasn't anybody there to see it.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 04:40 PM
Mar 2013

[font size="5"]LOL!!! [/font]

The "aircraft" shown looks like the Degen Ornithopter which was "flown" by controlled drop from a hot air balloon in 1809. Maybe Janes would like to call this flight too, but falling is not flight.

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/models/aircraft/Degen-Ornithopter.html




was this supposed to be powered flight? Certainly, the supplier of the engine would have been established. Who was it?



Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
9. Hm-mmmmm. Some interesting stuff on this. Maybe he did fly his aircraft, but I don't know
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 06:06 PM
Mar 2013

how good it would be at dealing with variable wind conditions.

IT seems like his method of producing a turn was to lean in the direction he wanted to go. This would create some real problems if you are dealing with even a slight cross-wind when landing. Also, I don't know if this would enough to deal with more 'challenging' (variable) wind conditions in the air.

The Wright brothers big achievement was in controlling the aircraft. There were others who flew but they couldn't control the aircraft in the inevitable varying conditions you will inevitably encounter when flying (especially longer flights than a few minutes).

Whitehead was reported to have achieved flight with his aircraft by the Bridgeport Herald - with at least two eyewitnesses.

Flying: http://www.gustave-whitehead.com/history/news-reports-1901-2-flights/1901-08-18-bridgeport-herald-p-5/


....
He was headed straight for a clump of chestnut sprouts that grew on
a high knoll. He was now about forty feet in the air and would have been high
enough to escape the sprouts had they not been on a high ridge. He saw the
danger ahead and when within two hundred yards of the sprouts made several
attempts to manipulate the machinery so he could steer around, but the ship kept
steadily on her course, head on for the trees. To strike them meant wrecking the
air ship and very likely death or broken bones for the daring aeronaut.

Here it was that Whitehead showed how to utilize a common sense principle
which he had noticed the birds make use of thousands of times when he had been
studying them in their flight for points to make his air ship a success. He
simply shifted his weight more to one side than the other. This careened the
ship to one side. She turned her nose away from the clump of
sprouts when within fifty yards of them and took her course around them as
prettily as a yacht on the sea avoids a bar. The ability to control the air ship
in this manner appeared to give Whitehead confidence, for he was seen to take
time to look at the landscape about him. He looked back and waved his hand
exclaiming, "I’ve got it at last."

He had now soared through the air for fully half a mile and as the field
ended a short distance ahead the aeronaut shut off the power and prepared to
light. He appeared to be a little fearful that the machine would dip ahead or
tip back when the power was shut off but there was no sign of any such move on
the part of the big bird. She settled down from a height of about fifty feet in
two minutes after the propellers stopped. And she lighted on the ground on her
four wooden wheels so lightly that Whitehead was not jarred in the least.
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Apparently, he had enterred into an agreement with a W. D. Custead of Waco, Texas to build a more advanced aircraft combining features of Whitehead's and Custead's designs. I guess he ran out of money before this could be achieved.

Here's the link: http://www.gustave-whitehead.com/


I think to say you really achieved controlled, powered flight you had to have shown repeatedly, a complete ability to control the flight of the aircraft and also land it in controlled fashion and be able to cope with variable conditions during flight. Pulling off a stunt is one thing, but the Wright brothers demonstrated repeatedly they had reliable control of their aircraft. They logged many more hours of flight than anybody else without the crashes that bedeviled all the other experimenters in powered flight. I don't think Whitehead's desing would have been a practical, commercial succuss (as he himself admitted).

"But while Mr. Whitehead has demonstrated that his machine will fly he does not pretend that it can be made a commercial success."
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