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marmar

(77,106 posts)
Sun May 19, 2013, 09:00 AM May 2013

What universal child care does for Norway


(Globe and Mail) Norway is ranked No. 1 in the world for productivity, measured by GDP per total hours worked, according to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development. Canada comes 17th, behind Spain.

Many variables affect productivity, and Norway’s high oil production contributes significantly to its GDP, and therefore productivity.

“However, even after controlling for the rent (profits) from natural resources, Norway has high productivity. And more importantly, our relative productivity has increased a lot from the early 1990s to 2011, even after adjusting for natural resource rents,” explains Adne Cappelen, an economist at Statistics Norway.

Mr. Cappelen attributes Norway’s high productivity to four main factors:

1. A more educated work force, largely enabled by free university tuition;

2. Outsourcing low-wage, low-productivity labour;

3.Maximizing participation in the work force for skilled workers, (providing social support and flexible work for seniors and new parents);

4. Equal distribution of income.
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The complete piece is at: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/canada-competes/what-universal-child-care-does-for-norway/article11959366/



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What universal child care does for Norway (Original Post) marmar May 2013 OP
you'd think such social initiatives would be obvious. xchrom May 2013 #1
What do they consider low-wage low-productivity labor? Sanity Claws May 2013 #2
K&R'd. snot May 2013 #3
But the ultra rich in Norway aren't as ultra rich as they are here in the USA n2doc May 2013 #4
n2doc Diclotican May 2013 #6
I wish I could talk Mrs. D_J into moving there Doctor_J May 2013 #5
Unfortunately, you can't just move to Norway or most other European countries Lydia Leftcoast May 2013 #8
Lydia Leftcoast Diclotican May 2013 #11
Actually, my father's parents were born in Norway, but Lydia Leftcoast May 2013 #15
Lydia Leftcoast Diclotican May 2013 #22
marmar Diclotican May 2013 #7
I often point out Norway's stance on guns to our 2nd Amendment fans here at DU. I also CTyankee May 2013 #9
CTyankee Diclotican May 2013 #10
The sad fact is that most AMericans have very limited knowledge of what goes on in other countries, CTyankee May 2013 #12
CTyankee Diclotican May 2013 #13
Thanks so much, Diclotican! It sounds lovely in Norway! CTyankee May 2013 #14
Oslo is lovely, and I would recommend Lydia Leftcoast May 2013 #16
I've had those "sack breakfasts" on my travels in Europe... CTyankee May 2013 #17
Breakfasts in London hotels are a bit much for me, especially those big greasy sausages..... marmar May 2013 #18
My "hotel" in Amsterdam was a barge and believe it or not, the food was not bad! CTyankee May 2013 #19
Most of the places I stayed in England they let you choose which components Lydia Leftcoast May 2013 #24
Lydia Leftcoast Diclotican May 2013 #21
CTyankee Diclotican May 2013 #20
Doclotican, you are the BEST! What a nice thing to offer! CTyankee May 2013 #23
CTyankee Diclotican May 2013 #27
A small point if I may garm May 2013 #25
garm Diclotican May 2013 #26

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
4. But the ultra rich in Norway aren't as ultra rich as they are here in the USA
Sun May 19, 2013, 01:04 PM
May 2013

And I suspect they aren't as catered to as much as , say, the Koches. That's what is most important!

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
6. n2doc
Sun May 19, 2013, 09:50 PM
May 2013

n2doc

Compared to the ones, who is REALLY rich in the US, I guess even the richest men and Woman in Norway is poor - or at least less affluent than they are..

But they have their money - and know how to wield the power who come with all that money too..

On the other hand - they are not that mad as the Koch brothers - or other billionaires who more or less own the government, and who wield an enormous power, who they often use not to the betterment of everyone, but the opposite..

And it also help, that compared to the Federal and Sate governance in the US, the State in Norway is a strong one - who keep control over all its territory in a way the federal government in the US would not even dream about been able to do... And it also helped, that after WW2, even the more conservative groups in Norway deiced it was better to work with the rest to rebuild the whole of Norway - rather than continue down the path it have been doing before World War two started in Norway.. The years between the wars was political speaking rather violent in Norway - not that many attentates - but it was many years with a lot of troubles between the conservatives and the socialistic groups - and where the conservatives was not trusting the labor party when it come into governance for real in 1933.. And the military was never really trusting the labor party - and even kept parts of the weapons out of the hands of the regular soldiers - as they was afraid of the soldiers do as the soldiers did at Kronstadt in 1917 - when the soldiers was part of the great russian revolution..

After the war - it was a long time where the conservatives and the socialistic parties - mostly AP, or the Labor Party worked together to rebuild and to build up the Norway we know today.. And for the most part all of the parties in Norway have been in agreement of the big pictures - the details is little off between the conservatives and the socialistic parties - but on a grand scale - it is few disagreement between the parties - with maybe FRP (progress party) as the one who is an oddball out of it..

And, by the way - conservatives in Norway, do not mean the same as conservatives does in US. Compared to the conservatives in the US, I would say conservatives in Norway would be on the left side of the Democratic Party.. Even as Høyre (the conservatives) is trying to be best buddies with the Republicans - for the most part Høyre is far to left, to be recognized as a conservative party in the US..

Diclotican

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
5. I wish I could talk Mrs. D_J into moving there
Sun May 19, 2013, 06:36 PM
May 2013

or anywhere else but this huge Banana Republic we've become

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
8. Unfortunately, you can't just move to Norway or most other European countries
Mon May 20, 2013, 12:20 AM
May 2013

You have to have a job offer, have a parent or spouse who is a citizen of that country, be a graduate of a university in that country, or be a certified refugee.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
11. Lydia Leftcoast
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:22 AM
May 2013

Lydia Leftcoast

True - the immigration rules have been rather strict the last decade or two... But if you can prove ancestors to Norway - lets say your grand-parents was of Norwegian decents - or you have a special connection to Norway - let say married to a passport holder of the Kingdom of Norway, we have a King as head of state, currently it is Harald V of Norway, you can emigrate to Norway... Other than that, it is not easy to emigrate to Norway...

Diclotican

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
15. Actually, my father's parents were born in Norway, but
Mon May 20, 2013, 03:33 PM
May 2013

I read that the rules are stricter now and you have to have parents who were born in Norway.

One of my college friends went to the University of Oslo Summer School many years ago, found out that Norway had a shortage of IT workers, took some extra training, and has lived in Norway ever since. She says that she has a much better quality of life in Norway than she could have had in the U.S.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
22. Lydia Leftcoast
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:02 PM
May 2013

Lydia Leftcoast

I see - but I think you still could be under the rules about "speciall conections" to Norway.. Im not sure about it all as it have never really been a issue for me anyway..

Nice to know - that some in fact belive Norway have a better quality of life compared to the US. For the most part, everyone claim the opposite.. It might be more "freedom" in the US compared to Norway, who have rules and regulation for most things - and a whole different culture around everything than in the US.. But I guess it worked well in Norway as we still is a stable democratic country up here in the north :p Some of the nay-sayers have meant Norway will go down the tubes for many years now..

Diclotican

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
7. marmar
Sun May 19, 2013, 10:15 PM
May 2013

marmar

If anyone is to believe the gloom and dooms out there, who believe Norway will go down the toilets because of our willingness, to have a social system where healtcare is universal - and where children, youth and grown ups, have the possibility to have access to a public founded healtcare... The evidences look different.. We manage quiet well compared to many other nations in Europe - even though we do have a benefit - our oil and gas reserves in the north sea..

As it is - we pay a lot of more taxes compared to say the US - but we also have the benefits of it all - as an universal healtcare who I suspect many americans envy us.. I can tell from my own experiences the last couple of years - that I would rather have a public founded healtcare for everyone - than have a private owned system - and where I could be refused medical help, because the insurance companies could refuse payment to the hospitals.. Since 2002 I have been in hospital a couple of times - one time was because I really got sick - and was put in intensive care for a while.. And got the full treatment all the way - Got out after a week - tired and not really in shape - but compared to what I was before - at least on both of my legs.. And I was not paying a dime for it..
The last couple of years I have had some kidneys who have been troublesome (a birth defect most possible even though the docs are not sure yet) and have been on medicines - who I pay just a small co-pay for - most of the payment, is taken up by the public system.. (I believe I paid 10 percent of the whole cost for the medicine) And I have also to go to the hospital a couple of times in May, and June - to check up everything where I pay just the co-pay - not what the real treatment would have cost me if I have had to go to a private system.. And I guess a CT scan is not a cheap experience in the US... And by July I would have going true at least two CT scans, both for my kidneys and for my knees who is really troublesome.. (The illness is related)

The system is not perfect - it took a long time before I got to where I am today - on the road to get to know what really is "wrong" with my body - but I know - that I would never have had the Chance to get the medical attention I are given now - and I would maybe not have been able to get the medicine I am getting to - as the medicine is to expensive for me to get without the public healtcare system taking up a lot of the tab.. And I am for one gratefully for whatever help I am getting - to at least make it possible to be better and live with my problems. I know it is maybe something I have to live with for the rest of my life - but at least I can get medical attention - and also medicine on an affordable level - so I can get better than I am today - sometimes it is really painfully when my knees and other joints in my body doesn't want to work with me.. Really painfully - and then I for the most part keep myself to the bed.. Other times - when it is summer - I can live more normal - without the pain I to often have...

I hope the US one day can have, if not the same system, so at least some degree of what is common in Norway and most of Europe - to many americans are in needlessly pain, because they have no resources to walk to the doctors - get medical attention - and medicine who is affordable for them.. And before that is happening - real progress Will never happened.. Basic medical attention and medicines - is one of the foundations for a "civilized" nation in my book... Regardless if you have the money or not

Diclotican

CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
9. I often point out Norway's stance on guns to our 2nd Amendment fans here at DU. I also
Mon May 20, 2013, 08:51 AM
May 2013

point out that Norway ranks in the top 3 of countries with the highest Freedom of the Press and the U.S. is number 32, right below Ghana. They really don't have a very strong response. All their mumbo jumbo about the 2nd A keeping us from tyranny and they have NO idea what fighting REAL tyranny, such as what Norway did in WWII, is all about...

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
10. CTyankee
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:18 AM
May 2013

CTyankee

Nice you point out little Norway of all country out there - so I guess we do something right in our little corner of the world..

And it have to be bad - to be under Ghana when it come to freedom of the press - as Ghana is not exactly known to be the best country when it come to the freedom of the press..

Well, Norway is an free country - at least for the most part - and we have a strong democratic tradition here, going back to our constitution who by the way is 200 year next year.. (1814-2014) And even though we have no 2 amendment we manage rather well to balance the right of the government - and the rights of ordinary people to be protected under the law.. In reality the gun nuts in US have less than a case when it come to 2 amendment than they believe.. Other than telling a lie about gun being the only reason the US is a "free" country... But where violence when it comes to weapons have been on the rise for many years now

Norway had their share of evils under WW2, and even then, we was getting off rather easy - as the germans was treating Norwegians far better than say the russians and other nations in the east of Europe.. But we do have many incidents where the germans was rather Hew handed and repressed ordinary Norwegians - many germans was not able to grasp the fact that many Norwegians doesn't wanted to be protected by the germans.. Not in the way the germans wanted it anyway...

Many of the older people was gratefully about what the americans did in WW2 - and in the years right after ww2, where it was a shortage of everything - many also had a image of US of the country of milk and honey - where two hands and a strong back could do a difference... I guess over the last 70 year, that image have faded somehow..

Diclotican

CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
12. The sad fact is that most AMericans have very limited knowledge of what goes on in other countries,
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:31 AM
May 2013

such as Norway, that are constitutional democracies. Norway is exceptional because it has a gun loving population that nonetheless lives under gun restrictions that "we" would find "unconstitutional." AND a strong resistance to tyranny. U.S. gun lovers look and sound ridiculous when they talk about resistance to tyranny when they have never experienced it and don't know what the hell they are talking about.

I am so glad you have such a wonderful country like Norway. Since I travel in Europe every year, I look forward to some day coming to Norway and the other Scandinavian countries. You'll have to tell me what I should see, where I should visit, etc...

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
13. CTyankee
Mon May 20, 2013, 12:28 PM
May 2013

CTyankee

The list over what you could se, and what you should see, when in Norway is a long list - I guess you could need a couple of trips just to grasp the most important things to visit - as it is a few places you should at least try to visit when in Norway.. In my own neighborhood - I would say you should stroll down Karl Johan a summer day - with a ice cream in hand - and just look at the crowds - maybe if you are lucky walk up the palace and look at the changing of the guards who happening 2 times a day. Even though it is not like the changing of the guards outside the Palace of Buckingham, it works Or you can visit the castle - Akershus Fortress and castle. A fortress who was build in the late 1300s - as a defense from swedish attack - and was also one of the most important fortresses in Norway - as the kings representative lived there under the 400 year union with Denmark - and also housed many of the most important offices in Norway for centuries - it was not before the late 1700s, early 1800s Most of the offices had their own buildings outside of the fortress... It is a lot of museums you can visit too - most of them is open some have even free entrance - like Botanisk Hage - where you can discover many rare plants - who you might not find other places in Norway.. And also many other museums around the city - we have a decent public transport - both the tram - the bus and the subway.. And you have to wisit Vigeland park - where sinna-taggen is standing - or the monolit who is famous in most of europe.. And it is also a great park in the middle of Oslo, where many are just strolling around - maybe sit down for reading a book - or to barbeque some food - specially on a summers day the Vigelands park is a nice park to wisit.

In Oslo you have also a lot of boats/ships who you can sail with for a fee - and discover the Iceland's who are in the Oslo Fjord - most of the Iceland's have huts of them - where people is living for some parts of the summer - so you can interact with the locals if you want too : And you are not that long away from the woods either - from the downtown area of Oslo, you can with the tram - the bus or the subway travel to some of the nature around Oslo in less than 40-50 minutes - maybe even less, depending of the time of the day. And many is using the nature summer as winter.

Another route is to visit an iceland named Hovedøya - who is one of the largest Iceland's in the arcipicallo in the oslo fjord.. And where you can find ruins from a old cloister who once stood on the premises. The buildings are going all the back to the 11th century - and was used both as an monastery for monks - but also as a hospital for sick and ealdry who have no other way to go... After the reformation in 1537 most of the properties was taken over by the government - and the big cloister, who once owned most of the land around Oslo, was disbanded - and the buildings later teared down - and the rubble used to build on the fortress. And you can still look at parts of the fortress - where the rubble from the old cloister is still visible.. And by the way - if you visit Akershus fortress and castle - you can also visit some museums there.. One is the Hjemmefront museum, or the home front museum where you can look at many artifacts from WW2. And who basically is made around what is known as the homefront, where you can look about how Norwegians was living under the occupation - the Resistance - and so one... In the weekends you can also visit the old castle - who goes back to the 1370s-1380s - the tombs of the last Norwegian kings of the old dynasty is lying there - as the new dynasty, starting with Haakon the 7th - and his son Olav the 5 - And also the wifes of Haakon and Olav. And it is also the place where our current King and Queen will possible be buried when their time comes. But it is much more than a mausoleum - you can visit the old dungeons - who was dark and rather uncomfortable I guess... And then you can also go true some of the old offices like Henrik Wergelands (who is one of our best known poets) who also was the first officer of antiquity in Norway.. He died in 1849, sick of tuberculosis it is sayd... The fortress also have on a "newer part" going back to the 1800s - a national military museum, where you can se weapons on display going back to at least the 1300s - some very old museum pieces like old flintlock weapons and so one.. And some newer ones going back to WW2 or later.. In the museum it is also a cannon with an interesting history - if you get a guided tour of the museum you might be told a story that is funny . The cannon was part of the "prize" in 1814 at the only time Norwegian soldiers and the swedish army was fighting each other in that year - this was the year we got our constitution and some had ambitions about independence for Norway that year.. Sweden was promised Norway, as payback for the support they had given to defeating Napoleon.. And the swedish generals wanted to collect. The cannon was part of the "Prize" as said before - and was part of the Norwegian army for a long time.. Before it after some time got into a museum where it lingered for a long time. Until the swedish wanted to build up their own military museum, and found out about our little gem . And wanted the cannon back.. Of course Norway refused - and even though it was not making to much wawes political speaking, it made for some tense moments between the professional historians - who made the case for giving back the cannon - or let it be in Norway.. In the end a professor in Norway got into the fry - and wrote to the counterpart in Sweden - We are willing to give back the cannon - if you are willing to give back something that we lost. (And its here it goes interesting).. The swedish counterparts wondered about what Norwegians wanted back - and expected some military artifacts. The Norwegian counter-offer was as follow. Is Norway was to give back the cannon - Sweden had to give back Herjedalen, Jemtland and Båhus len.. (who Norway lost in the 1600s to Sweden - and was maybe 50 percent of Norway before the danish lost the territories to Sweden in Wars) We still have that cannon - and the swedish have not given up Herjedalen, Jemtland and Båhus len still.

Or you, if you are on a stretch, just stroll around on the fortress - even though some parts is off limits as it is still military property - and some parts of it, is still in use as HQ for the military.. But it is just a small area, who is clearly marked as such..

But Oslo have also the problems who is part of that being a big city (by a long shoot the largest city in Norway) and the area around the fortress have some streets where prostitution is rather more the known than the opposite - specially after dark the streets can be not to friendly around the fortress.. but as the fortress is closed down between 6 or 7 in the afternoon, to 8 in the morning anyway.. We also have had, and have some issues with romanians who are coming to Norway - and have putting up shop, begging for money - and they often look miserable where they sit on the streets - for the most part they are not that miserable - and often they are organized as few.. I would advice you not to give them money... But that is just my opinion then.. (Norway is by the way given away to Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and Poland 1.400 mill Norwegian kroner to projects who should be able to help them with their need back home, and the bulk will go to minorities who often have been attacked by nationalists, with the tacit support from the government in this countries )

And then I have not even beeing talking about the "night life" in Norway - who can be as intense as the rest of Europe - But Im myself not a party lion - and to be honest - Oslo can be not that safe after midnight - even though the police do have a pressence in the streets.. And for the most part, our police are polite and is pleased to help - and as a counter to many other nations - they do not have weapon as part of the uniform..

When it comes to gun control - and the fact that many in Norway do have a weapon - who they use either on a shooting club (you have to be member of a shooting club, to be given permission to have a gun at all) and if you want to use a weapon for hunting - you have to pass a test - who is manditory for all hunters - every 2 years or so - and the right to bear arms, are not as in US at all. In fact you can - and wil be denied legal access to weapon if you are not mental stabile to have a weapon - or have a criminal past, where violence or misuse of weapons are in the case.. Of course the system are far from perfect - and have been revised many times just the last 15 years - but at least it keep weapons out of the hand to most people who are lot eligble to own weapon at all.. And i guess - outside of the hunting season - I doubt anyone are in need of weapons anyway - Norway is a safe country to wisit or to live in for the most part.



Diclotican

CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
14. Thanks so much, Diclotican! It sounds lovely in Norway!
Mon May 20, 2013, 01:45 PM
May 2013

I LOVE old European cities, so I know I will love Oslo. I love to walk around, go into a cafe for coffee and a pastry, see the old architecture and hear about the history. I also love old castles and the natural beauty of countries. It sounds like Norway is a good place for me to visit!

Tell me what national food I should try and your national drink. Although I don't care for liquor, I'd be willing to try it if it isn't too strong!

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
16. Oslo is lovely, and I would recommend
Mon May 20, 2013, 03:40 PM
May 2013

the Folk Village on Bygdøy and the Norwegian Resistance Museum.

But bring lots of money. Norway is very expensive. Fortunately, the hotels all serve huge breakfast buffets (included in the price of the room), and so I was able to survive on just a hot dog or a sandwich from a bakery for lunch, and if you search, you can find more reasonable restaurants for dinner. On the last day in Oslo, I had to take an early train before the breakfast room opened, and the hotel provided a "sack breakfast" with a cheese sandwich, a hard-boiled egg, an apple, and a carton of orange juice.

CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
17. I've had those "sack breakfasts" on my travels in Europe...
Mon May 20, 2013, 04:18 PM
May 2013

I always appreciate it when hotels have those big breakfasts. I didn't have that in Brussels and had a little coffee, juice and croissant they served in the bar for 8 euros. I really missed the bigger breakfasts!

I'm going to London on Saturday and they have what they call "full english" which I understand is the typical British breakfast...I'll pass on the blood pudding however...LOL...

marmar

(77,106 posts)
18. Breakfasts in London hotels are a bit much for me, especially those big greasy sausages.....
Mon May 20, 2013, 04:51 PM
May 2013

...... When I was in Amsterdam in October, my hotel had a breakfast buffet that ROCKED.


CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
19. My "hotel" in Amsterdam was a barge and believe it or not, the food was not bad!
Mon May 20, 2013, 05:10 PM
May 2013

We had a cook who whipped up some very good meals, very fresh for such Spartan accommodations. But it took us to wonderful little towns through the canals and we had 3 good meals a day on board. Going down to the dining room was so steep most of us just went down backwards, ladder style! The barge's pilot was asked how we got woken up in the morning and he gruffly responded "I come vis a bucket of vater!" Dutch humor...

No wi-fi, no TV...but we had some great little lectures on art from local museum and universities who would park their bikes on the deck while we were docked.

Great trip and a lot of fun and really cheap...

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
24. Most of the places I stayed in England they let you choose which components
Tue May 21, 2013, 01:42 AM
May 2013

of the full English breakfast you wanted, and some places had buffets. I usually went for scrambled eggs, bacon, and whole wheat toast and passed up the sausages, the blood pudding, the baked beans, and the stewed tomatoes.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
21. Lydia Leftcoast
Mon May 20, 2013, 06:59 PM
May 2013

Lydia Leftcoast

Indeed, Norway IS expensive compared to many other nations and Oslo is one of the most expensive City's in the world today, more expensive than even Tokyo is!

Most hotels, as you point out do include a breakfast buffe - who is great if you want to spend your time doing anything else than eat local food. And you can survive fine on some sandwich from a bakery.. It exist I believe a bakery at Karl Johan/Kongens gate who still make some of the best pastry ever produces in any bakery in Norway - their Napoleons cake is out of this world, (jum ) And you can find reasonable restaurants all over the city - many of them give you a decent meal - for less money than others do...

I hope you had a nice stay in Oslo when you was there.

Diclotican

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
20. CTyankee
Mon May 20, 2013, 06:52 PM
May 2013

CTyankee

Oslo is a old city, even though most of the oldest buildings are lost to more modern buildings over the hundreds of years.. And to be honest - until rather late, Oslo was just a city of 20-30.000 people - it was not before the industrial revolution come to Norway - then Oslo exploded in many ways and grow to one of the biggest city's in a few decades - and continued to grow from the 1830s to today... The downtown area is maybe from the 1800s for the most part - but it have lost some of its older buildings to new ones - so Oslo is indeed a city who have existed and lived for hundreds of years - the oldest parts is from after the last great fires in the 1600 centuries, the newest are still under construction - and in a few years time, the waterfront in Oslo would have changed the face of Oslo for ever... Most of the old industry is not there anymore - the harbors is lost or other places where more modern harbors have made the older ones absolute.. And in time - most of the old docks and harbors will be rebuild to make room for new parks - and new buildings where people can live and live...

On the other side, it will make Oslo a nicer looking City hopefully, where everyone can travel and visit...

I almost forgot - if you ever was to visit Oslo, you have to visit the viking museum - where some of the best preserved ships from the viking age are on display. The famous Gokstad-skipet, or the Gokstad ship who is more then 800 year old - but looks like it have been made a decade ago.. It was preserved in the ground around at a big farm named Gokstad - where the name was from - and was discovered by archeology's in the late 1800s.. It had also a treasure of artifacts, the Queen of Gokstad was given when she was buried - with the ship, and is today on display - and is recognized as some of the best artifacts Norway have today, from that time and age..

After that, you can also travel to the Fram Museum - and the other museums who are at Bygdøy - you can sail out to Bugdøy from the downtown of Oslo - it goes every hour in the summer time and it takes 30 minutes to sail from honørbryggen (the dock right down from the Akershus Fortress I have been telling about before) and out to the museums..

Oslo is a very "green" city compared to many other major city's thanks to the facts it takes less than 30 minutes for the most part, to travel to a big park - or to the woods who is around the city - most people is able to use the woods - year around when necessary..

Or if you just want to walk around some of the areas around downtown Oslo - you can always walk to Aker brygge - and buy yourself a beer - (its often by default ringenes), but I would say you better taste Hansa beer - its tastes better than Ringnes if you want something that taste good. But Ringes is good, if you just want a beer on a warm day.. Or you can try the non-alcoholic brand Munkholm, who is very good, when cold.. We have specially stores called "vinmonopolet" for stronger liqueur if you want to buy it outside of an restaurant or a bar - and alcohol who is strong - cost a lot in Norway.. The whole system around Vinmonopoles goes back to the end of Prohibition - where the government deiced it was better to have some control over the consuming of alcohol, than to just let it all go free as it was before.. Therefore Vinmonopolet.

Our national food is good for the most part - but for the most part you will discover you can buy international food everywhere in Norway - the use of Hamburger is more common than lets say fårikål. (who is sheep meat - and Cabbage in layers in a big casserole - with some peppers, and then let cooking for at least 3 hours at an end - the result is wonderfully and the smell is making grown men cry for dinnertime )

But if you are lucky, you can get some really good Norwegian food too - it all depend of where you eat I guess.. You can ask your hotel if you ever was to visit Norway where to get some local food.. Or you can always tell me - so I can cook for you. I'm not a master of making food - but I make some good food at least

Diclotican

CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
23. Doclotican, you are the BEST! What a nice thing to offer!
Mon May 20, 2013, 07:32 PM
May 2013

Of course, I will let you know if I am coming to Norway. It won't be for a while, tho, since I have so many trips for the next year or so. However, I do not forget you!

Stay safe, my friend! I will contact you when I am ready to come to Norway!

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
27. CTyankee
Sun May 26, 2013, 05:38 PM
May 2013

CTyankee

It is always nice, to be listed by the top of the list - over something that is important - freedom of the press - I guess the Scandinavian country's have been good at keeping it all sensible - both the need for freedom and also the freedom of the press - but also the need, for the government to be able to control the situation, when things goes bad.. But then again - most newspapers and new channels in Norway Abey by some "common sense" rules, who was put forward in the 1980s - as the more tabloid form of the news was making its debut in Norway.. And even today this rules, or common sense is in place - to the best of everyone I guess.. Specially when it comes to the royal family the news papers and news channels, and also the more tabloid papers - do have some restraint about what they are poking into.. Spec ally the more private life of the royals - is off the table - if it is not to explosive.. And I think our royals is able to keep their noose clean for the most part..

Well - the 2 adment as I understand it, is about the need for every state for a well-regulated militia - it says nothing about everyone have the right to bear any weapons they are able to get their hands on.. And by the way - the only weapons available the founding fathers had, when they was making their Constitution, was a musket - who was as dangerous for the one who was shooting, as it was for the ones been shoot at.. It was not until the 1930s, newer forms of hand guns made it into the hands of the state militias - and even then the weapons was for the most part, at least as dangerous for the shooter, as it was for the person, who potential was to be shoot at.. I guess it was not until the 1860s, under the american civil war, the weapons was made suitable for anything else than self-defense.. at a prise I might say.. But it was not before after WW2, maybe in the 1950s and 1960s - more americans could get their hands on weapons outside of a hunting rifle or so.. And even then it took decades, all up to the 1980s-1990s, the really was making a mockery out of the whole 2 amendment thing...

Of course they do not have any strong response to it - it is no response to the fact, that US at number 32, right below Ghaha - even if they have all their weapons to "defend against enemies" when Norway - who have a very strict gun law - is at number 3..

Diclotican

garm

(5 posts)
25. A small point if I may
Sun May 26, 2013, 03:18 PM
May 2013

Having tried both systems, I don't believe the difference in personal taxation between Norway and the US is huge. A friend and I once worked out that making $ 100 000 in Norway or New York lands you with a very similar tax bill. Norway seem to have more deductions available, and the average Norwegian pays 25 cents to the dollar in personal taxes at the end of the day.

In general, Norway is similar to a high-tax state in the US for personal taxation. The tax average in Norway is boosted by the 78 % tax on petroleum activity.

I've not included VAT in these calculations because VAT is included in cost of living comparisons, so if you add VAT, you got to drop PPP.

In general, I've found Norway to have for more freedom, because of the health care system. Also, the lower costs of the system than the US system lets the country afford a lot of social benefits. Only two countries in the world pay more per person for government health care than the US. And government health care in the US covers 27 % of the population, the rest does a 100 %.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
26. garm
Sun May 26, 2013, 05:23 PM
May 2013

garm

I don't either do believe the difference in personal taxation is so large - between Norway and US. Of course you maybe have a little more taxes in Norway, compared to many of the US states - but you get some back too, when you are sick or have need for assistance for one reason or another... I for one have some disabilities, some funky kidneys and some knees that really sometimes make me want to do something drastic about it.. It took some time to get the ball rolling, but now I am picked up by the system - and will possible be getting the help I should have had a few years back - at least to be able to solve most of the pain I sometimes have... So tomorrow I'm of to have a CT at the local hospital - and I just pay a little sur-charge of 300 NKR myself. Even though the CT itself cost a lot.. It is taken up by the government.. of course I pay taxes, to be able to do it that way..

We have a lot of money thanks to the oil and gas - and you point out, and we have been smart enough to save a lot of the money in the bank so to say - to earn interest - and to have money, even after the oil and gas is running out.. It might take a while as it is discovered new oil and gas reserves in the north sea as we speak - even though the fields might be usable in 5-10 years time.. And we have some fields up in the north, who might be devilments many years from now, it is some disagreement about if we should open the places to exploitation, as it is in some of the most precarious places in the whole of Norway - the nature is not exactly used to big oil spills, and the local people is in disagreement about the security when it come to defend against spoils from oil production fields.. So as it is, this fields is still not open for production, and if I know my own country - it will take years and years just to get an agreement about if we want to open anything outside of this parts of Norway to oil productions.. Who might be for the best.

VAT is for the most part include when you buy something in Norway - often it is a small part of the total sum, and is often put on the end of the receipt when you are shopping. I believe the current VAT is 23 percent of the product..

Funny that an american would say that - I have seen on other boards - that many from the mighty US, believe Norway to be a horrible place to be - in fact a communist state because of our welfare system - and the fact that we also is a country where most people tend to follow the laws - even if the laws is rather stupid... .. It is always interesting to se the outside looking inside of Norway - as it often can inform us about what we do good - and what we do not so good...

Diclotican

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