OUTSTANDING: Expert who predicted global economic crash thinks risks from GMOs too great.

[proverbialwisdom]

http://gmwatch.org/index.php/news/archive/2013/15032-expert-who-predicted-global-economic-crash-thinks-risks-from-gmos-too-great

Expert who predicted global economic crash thinks risks from GMOs too great
September 4, 2013

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Last week the maverick biologist and billionaire entrepreneur Craig Venter tweeted: "Golden rice vitamin A could prevent blindness in 250000 children/year. Anti GMO people check your morals."

READ HERE: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/372779980230369280

The global risk expert and the Distinguished Professor of Risk Engineering at New York University, Nassim Nicholas Taleb, responded on Twitter:

"Pro GMO people, check your understanding of 1) Risk & probability and 2) invoking 'morals' as a tactic while endangering people."

"Point 2: There are other alternatives with controlled & known side effects."

He also told Venter, a synthetic biologist with massive vested interests in the acceptance of genetic engineering and no background in risk (nor toxicology for that matter!):

"@JCVenter In other words it is not rigorous to make something with fat-tailed risks look like the 'only' alternative to [blindness] when it is not."

"Fat-tailed risks" means that when things go bad, they can go catastrophically bad.

Taleb has outlined his strong concerns about GM before. Below is what he wrote a couple of months ago. There are graphs in the original text, which are available at the link.

EXTRACT: Now, for mathematical reasons (a mechanism called the "Lindy Effect&quot , linked to the relationship between time and fragility, mother nature is vastly "wiser" so to speak than humans, as time has a lot of value in detecting what is breakable and what is not. Time is also a bullshit detector. Nothing humans have introduced in modern times has made us unconditionally better without unpredictable side effects, and ones that are usually detected with considerable delays (transfats, steroids, tobacco, Thalidomide, etc.)

...GMOs... their risk is not local. Invoking the risk of "famine" is a poor strategy, no different from urging people to play Russian roulette in order to get out of poverty. And calling the GMO approach "scientific" betrays a very poor — indeed warped — understanding of probabilistic payoffs and risk management.

[Berlum]

1. Excellent

k and r

[mike_c]

2. if that view of risk management prevailed it would be illegal...

...to stick needles in our bodies and inject foreign substances, because the consequences of mistakes are decidedly bad.

[proverbialwisdom]

3. More.

http://gmwatch.org/index.php/news/archive/2013/15032-expert-who-predicted-global-economic-crash-thinks-risks-from-gmos-too-great

The Artangel Longplayer Letters: 2

From: Nassim Nicholas Taleb, New York
To: Stewart Brand, Sausalito, 3 July 2013

1. PRINCIPLE OF FRAGILITY AS NONLINEAR (CONCAVE) RESPONSE
2. PRECAUTIONARY RULES
3. POLICY IMPLICATIONS

Nassim Nicholas Taleb,
July 3, 02013

[felix_numinous]

4. There are too many Frankensteins

out and about. GMOs are one of them. Nuclear weaponry and power, training and then loosing torture specialists, chemical weaponry--and PRETENDING to have a semblance of control over human nature.

Human nature is synonymous with nature-- which CANNOT be controlled, only destroyed, damaged, mutated and traumatized by living out of harmony and denying we are one with it.

Humans have made a grave error in following the doctrine of objectifying and declaring dominion over all other life, including, interestingly enough, people who have retained and preserved the most wisdom in living symbiotically with the planet.

This is a madness of the collective ego, to consolidate power, and to deny our own human nature as predators. To do so is to feed our reptilian basic instincts, instead of our higher natures of compassion and humility.

[bananas]

5. "a non-naive Precautionary Principle that the philosopher Rupert Read and I are in the process of...

This is the basis of a non-naive Precautionary Principle that the philosopher Rupert Read and I are in the process of elaborating, with precise policy implications on the part of states and individuals.

Sounds good.

[DhhD]

7. If you will; Eve then Adam ate from the Tree of Death, and were changed genetically therefore having

new powers of awareness to be had thorough the pain of childbearing, Eve, and childrearing, Adam and Eve, eventually leading to lethality.

[bananas]

8. kick. nt