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WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:28 PM Sep 2013

Checkmate – How Obama Outsmarted Putin, Assad & The Media

It’s a few hours before President Obama is scheduled to give an address to the American people, but more broadly the world at large, on the current state of events regarding Syria. The Americans he addresses, according to polls, are very skeptical of his rationale for intervention in Syria. The world opinion Obama faces, would appear divided at best on military intervention – as world opinion tends to be.

The stage has never been larger for the President, who is still considered a beloved figure around the world, regardless of his current stance on Syria within the United States. What he says in this speech will go a long way in determining how serious he considers the notion of Syria voluntarily turning over is chemical weapons stockpiles to the UN & Russia. The suddenness of how quickly this all seemed to appear – from the end-of-week meeting at the G20 summit to the breaking news yesterday that Russia took the notion floated by Obama to Putin and ran with it – hard.

This has more than a few shades of a 21st Century Cuban Missile Crisis. An American President had contact with his Russian counterpart at a time of extreme global tensions over the issue of weapons of mass destruction.

Yes, this isn’t about nuclear weapons off the coast of Florida. America isn’t in such needed urgency. But can you imagine the Cuban Missile Crisis occurring today? What would the movie “13 Days” have looked like if JFK was checking twitter or watching CNN or MSNBC to check what ex-4-star general is advising him (and the public) to do about nuclear annihilation?

*Shudder*



Obama, on the other hand, has to deal with the 21st century version of that crisis. But it is a crisis about an international standard on chemical weapons that needed to be upheld, in an ultra-volatile region of the world, that had the potential to spread across the globe if nothing was done in response.

And what has been Obama’s response? These are 5 indisputable facts in sequential order. Everything else is spin.

1. He mentioned a “red line” about chemical weapons use.

2. He was presented with evidence of Syria using chemical weapons, he called for military action.

3. He said before taking military action he wishes to hear congress.

4. He met with Vladimir Putin at the G20 summit and then went on tv and reiterated his support for military authorization to prevent Assad from using chemical weapons again.

5. He said Syria’s offer to turn over its chemical weapons was a positive sign.

This speech tonight will define the two roads Obama has mapped out for how this Syria mess plays out:

Scenario 1: Obama pledges full support for the offer to transfer Syria’s chemical weapons to control of Russia and the UN. America and allies are granted immediate access to Syrian weapons programs and observe the transfers, do a thorough investigation and, having disarmed Assad at this point, begin to address the humanitarian crisis and work with the world community to bring a swift resolution to the civil war that caused the crisis in the first place.

Scenario 2: Obama cautiously acknowledged the offer, pledges to work with the international community to immediately intervene and investigate, from top-to-bottom, Syria’s entire chemical weapons program without delay or interference. Should Syria or Russia stall, or try to do shady dealings with the weapons transfer, the United States will consider that a violation of the agreement. (hint- this is the more likely scenario)

Either way – Obama wins.

Under the first scenario, which we’ll call the MSNBC wet dream – everything goes right without a drop of blood being on US hands and liberals and libertarians fall back in love (or some libertarian equivalent) with Obama the peace-maker. AKA - speak loudly and carry a big carrot.

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Under the second scenario, which I’ll refer to as reality – Obama gets to keep using the threat of force to further his ultimate case for global intervention in Syria, betting on the notion that Russia and Syria never wanted the US to intervene, but Assad and Putin figured public opinion and congress’ unwillingness could allow them to get away with Assad’s gassing.

When Obama’s resolve in the just use of military intervention failed to wane over the last week, and Putin got to see it first-hand, lo-and-behold, two days later Syria is all like, “hold up, you won’t bomb us if we give you this? Here you go!”

But if they stall or pull tricks…

Then in all likelihood the deal is off, and Obama (and England, France and other allies) have a stronger case to make that they tried, literally, EVERYTHING they could to avoid military action.

And it becomes much more likely support in congress for intervention rises and in turn, public support will rise. Obama gets his military authorization after exhausting all options.

…which just looks better than heading into Syria without congress’ approval or any other allies. Which is what the nutjob talking heads, partisans and spinmeisters on cable news would leave you to believe was a serious consideration of Obama.

Who has never shown any inclination to act like that in his presidency.

The notion that the smartest guy in the room was, for the first time in a while – the US President, is something many people on both sides of the aisle are still coming to grips with.

It shouldn’t. Obama was elected twice for reason. Part of the reason was the patient and caution he brings to serious issues, regardless of the cries of ‘indecisive’ being hurled at him.

And you know what? That ’indecisiveness’ might have just created the greatest achievement of high-stakes international diplomacy in 60 years.

Checkmate.


http://thesterlingroad.com/2013/09/10/checkmate-how-obama-outsmarted-both-putin-assad-the-media/#more-2062
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Checkmate – How Obama Outsmarted Putin, Assad & The Media (Original Post) WooWooWoo Sep 2013 OP
Is that your site? Just curious. dkf Sep 2013 #1
it is yes WooWooWoo Sep 2013 #4
Interesting analysis. Kick. riqster Sep 2013 #2
lol. the onion? bowens43 Sep 2013 #3
My first thought as well... lol eom Purveyor Sep 2013 #5
+1 truebluegreen Sep 2013 #7
the Rabbit Hole Skittles Sep 2013 #8
i would have thought better of you, Skittles WooWooWoo Sep 2013 #11
Obama made a good decision to run with this Skittles Sep 2013 #12
who said it was a master plan? WooWooWoo Sep 2013 #14
I just listened to the speech Skittles Sep 2013 #15
how far in advance does something have to be to get called a "plan" WooWooWoo Sep 2013 #17
was rejection by the Brits part of that plan? Skittles Sep 2013 #18
that was part of the overall equation WooWooWoo Sep 2013 #19
yeah uh, ok Skittles Sep 2013 #20
More like hoops... sorechasm Sep 2013 #21
Btw, Pres Obama has been working toward a peaceful solution for a year Tx4obama Sep 2013 #6
You believe this was all by design ?? King_Klonopin Sep 2013 #9
the events of what JFK did during the Cuban missle crisis weren't by design WooWooWoo Sep 2013 #10
Perhaps, he "meant to do that". King_Klonopin Sep 2013 #22
I don't believe this. In my opinion Obama did not outsmart Putin. Stuart G Sep 2013 #13
Assad said he never gassed his people WooWooWoo Sep 2013 #16

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
4. it is yes
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:39 PM
Sep 2013

I started it in August after getting out of the army. It's got almost 15,000 views in six weeks, which I guess is a nice little number.

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
11. i would have thought better of you, Skittles
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 08:42 AM
Sep 2013

seeing as how you've been here just as long as I have.

May I ask what it is you disagree with or find absurd?

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
14. who said it was a master plan?
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:32 PM
Sep 2013

it might get written in history that way, it might not - but I never said that.

It was a series of events - fueled and managed, by Obama's caution and resolve. And depending on whom you read - he broached the idea of turning over the chemical weapons to Putin at the G20 - the only reason its noteworthy is that Russia and Syria accepted the offer.

Was it totally luck, or was there some skill involved that these events happened the way they did? - we probably won't know for 30 years, but some strange once-in-a-lifetime "thing" happened over the weekend that changed the game in this story. To chalk it up to blind luck is to keep on the theme that conservatives have been hitting Obama on since he first announced he was running in 2007 - that he isn't worthy of the office - that he's in over his head.

I'm sick of that narrative. How any other Obama supporter isn't, is beyond me.

Obama just got a middle east dictator to agree to hand off the weapons we didn't want him to have in the first place. And he got him to do it by pissing off both liberals and conservatives by making them, and everyone else in the world, think that he would authorize a military strike without the UN or even congress' approval.

Maybe the better analogy in this instance is poker, rather than chess - since we'll never know what Obama would have done had Syria said no to handing off the stockpiles. He got Syria to fold and never had to show his whole hand.

Sometimes you get lucky in poker, but the best players obviously have skill.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
15. I just listened to the speech
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:37 PM
Sep 2013

certainly it would have made much more sense if it HAD been planned - but I do give him credit for running with the save - sorry, no way in hell was this "managed" because Obama is very intelligent and would have "managed" it much better

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
17. how far in advance does something have to be to get called a "plan"
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:52 PM
Sep 2013

if Obama went into the G20 with the mindset of broaching this with Putin - and Putin agreed, then that's pretty much a "plan" - I mean, it's not a 500-page policy proposal, more like something you'd scribble on a napkin in a bar at 3am.

But I don't believe that this all stemmed directly from John Kerry's comment. That then Putin had the brilliant idea to run with that and that's how we got to where we are right now.

Obama has to be resolute enough to convince everyone that he'll use force if he thinks he needs to, but he has to do that while at the same time looking for a back door to extricate the US from this as quickly as possible.

He might have found that back door.

History will tell this story a lot differently than its being told right now, and I think if it ends the way its headed - towards a non-military resolution, [best case scenario] - Obama gets most of the credit.

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
19. that was part of the overall equation
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 07:09 PM
Sep 2013

and adjusted whatever calculations Obama had to make.

but he made them.

What exactly does the guy have do before people give him some credit for what he's managed to accomplish?






sorechasm

(631 posts)
21. More like hoops...
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 08:59 PM
Sep 2013

Patiently seeking the best shot, letting the clock run down, full team buzzing in and out of view to get open,...whether it's Joe Biden's casual reference that buried the DOM act, or John Kerry's offhand remark that may have diffused nuclear war, our President is always alert, aware, and on the move, to take that three pointer. More often than not, its been nothing but net.

Maybe your detractors don't know B'ball.

Nice article BTW

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
6. Btw, Pres Obama has been working toward a peaceful solution for a year
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 07:53 PM
Sep 2013

-snip-

According to a senior Senate aide, Obama told Democrats that he had asked Kerry to reach out to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and offer the diplomatic solution.

"He mentioned that that occurred during the G-20 meeting (a year ago), when he met with (Russian President Vladimir) Putin -- that he would assign Kerry to discuss diplomatic alternatives," added Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.).

A senior administration official confirmed to The Huffington Post that Obama and Putin first discussed the concept in Los Cabos at the G-20 in June 2012. After the first plenary session, while world leaders were mingling, Obama and Putin went to a corner of the room and spoke for nearly half an hour about Syria.

-snip-

Full article here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/10/john-kerry-syria-solution_n_3901863.html


WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
10. the events of what JFK did during the Cuban missle crisis weren't by design
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 08:41 AM
Sep 2013

they were just events that happened on the fly, that an intelligent and capable young president was able to take advantage of with prudent decisions.

Most of the time in life, the worst things happen by design and the best things are spontaneous. But we never would have reached this point with a president McCain or Romney - or possibly even Hillary. Obama is more cautious than all of them and it paid off in the sequence of events in Syria.

King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
22. Perhaps, he "meant to do that".
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:15 AM
Sep 2013

Was Obama instructing Kerry to speak so vehemently about attacking,
while both secretly knew it was all a political ruse, or did he truly want
to send in Tomahawk missiles ?

The republicans in Congress pulled the rug out from Obama in mid-
negotiation, in order to score political points (which is loathsome, if
not treasonous) which diminished the threat of attacking and Obama's
leverage.

Did Putin really have to intervene ? If he did nothing and let Obama
twist in the wind, how would that effect Putin ? Does he really give a
crap about the Syrian people that much, or just Assad ?

How could Obama predict and control all of those variables involved up
to the present time, and beyond into the future ?

I'm happy about the possibility of resolution without use of force, but
lots can still happen. It's not a done deal (i.e. checkmate), and there
is way too much political gamesmanship going on to predict the final
outcome.

I give the POTUS credit for being a smart, thoughtful leader -- BUT...

sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. No sin in that.

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
13. I don't believe this. In my opinion Obama did not outsmart Putin.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:44 PM
Sep 2013

Putin agreed to put pressure on his client state, Syria, to agree. Putin is against chemical weapons too. Assad had to
agree to Putin or lose financial support. No more chemical weapons, just the regular ones....think about that..
It is a civil war.

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
16. Assad said he never gassed his people
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:40 PM
Sep 2013

now he's agreeing to give up his weapons -that he didn't use, according to him- just because Russia said to? Russia could have said that anytime in the last two years and if Assad was his puppet, they could have given them up to the UN. They didn't - they stalled inspectors and are stalling the UN right now - because Obama scared the ever-loving crap out of them with his threat to use military action.

It was the threat itself that spurred this on. And if the deal works - Obama gets credit for forcing the disarming of Assad. If it goes south - then Obama has an even stronger hand for military action.



So I'll ask again, how is this not a win-win for Obama?

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