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Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 06:05 PM Sep 2013

The Inside Story Of How A Fake PhD Hijacked The Syria Debate


The Inside Story Of How A Fake PhD Hijacked The Syria Debate

Dr. Elizabeth O’Bagy, Syria expert, made quite an impression on Senator John McCain. During Senate hearings, the former Presidential candidate quoted at length from her recent Wall Street Journal op-ed painting a rosy picture of a mostly secular, pro-Western anti-Assad insurgency.

“John, do you agree with Dr. O’Bagy’s assessment of the opposition?,” the Senator asked the Secretary of State John Kerry. “I agree with most of that,” he replied.

Except Dr. O’Bagy wasn’t actually a doctor. Her PhD was fabricated, a lie she told her employers at the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), an influential neoconservative-aligned think tank, to get hired. Ironically, it ended up being the lie that got her fired Wednesday. This postmodern reenactment of the Icarus myth also provides a bizarrely informative window into the way that Washington’s foreign policy sausage gets made.

O’Bagy got her start last year, when she interned for ISW’s Iraq portfolio while completing a Master’s in Arab Studies at Georgetown University. Kimberly Kagan, the President of ISW, was so impressed that she hired O’Bagy to start even before the young analyst finished her degree. “Her insights and her (Arabic) linguistic skills were tremendous,” Kagan said.

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Full article here: http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/09/11/2601151/exclusive-mccain-and-kerry-cited-syria-analyst-with-false-credentials/?preview=true

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The Inside Story Of How A Fake PhD Hijacked The Syria Debate (Original Post) Tx4obama Sep 2013 OP
Holy shit. Autumn Sep 2013 #1
Curveball Part Deux Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #2
so this fake PhD is an in-law of the spokesperson for Dept of State. grasswire Sep 2013 #26
No, the fake PhD's *boss* is the in-law (ex-boss, now) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #27
The article in Daily Caller about her is very interesting. idwiyo Sep 2013 #3
Fuck Daily Caller - any other links? Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #5
Did you actually read the article in OP? If you did, you would have noticed the part below: idwiyo Sep 2013 #7
I will never click on a daily caller link - and no one else should Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #8
I would suggest you don't tell me what I should and shouldn't click on. They have info I want to see idwiyo Sep 2013 #11
Good luck with that, Skippy. Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #12
You are welcome to relish your ignorance. idwiyo Sep 2013 #14
And you are welcome to feed yours. Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #15
Ironic, coming from you. You might want to check the info before you so casually dismiss it. idwiyo Sep 2013 #16
What's ironic, Skippy? Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #17
Ironic that you remain totally ignorant about content of both articles. Never mind you didn't bother idwiyo Sep 2013 #18
Well, then PLEASE post your Daily Caller links in an OP. Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #19
Why? If you want to see them in OP, you are welcome to do so. I don't see a reason to duplicate idwiyo Sep 2013 #20
You're defending the veracity of your links... Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #21
Why don't you alert right now? Or did you try and fail? The links embedded in the article cited in idwiyo Sep 2013 #22
I didn't alert. Hovered over the link but didn't click... Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #23
Please, do alert if you think those links shouldn't be posted here. I stand by my statement they are idwiyo Sep 2013 #24
Think Progress should be banned - it links to Daily Caller! bananas Sep 2013 #28
Our government is completely broken Doctor_J Sep 2013 #4
Kimberly Kagan, wife of FRED Kagan, interviewed recently on Charlie Rose...treated like a factsarenotfair Sep 2013 #6
VERY unbelievable since Rose is usually good about such things. Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #9
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #10
It really is ironic. xfundy Sep 2013 #13
If anything at all, this looks like this *could* have been a setup...... AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #25
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
2. Curveball Part Deux
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 06:18 PM
Sep 2013


...on edit: And, whattyaknow... another fucking Kagan is involved:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberly_Kagan

At Yale, Kagan met her husband Frederick Kagan, who is an American resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), son of Donald Kagan, a well-known historian and brother of Robert Kagan, another well-known writer and publicist. Robert Kagan's wife is Victoria Nuland, spokesperson for the United States Department of State.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,403 posts)
27. No, the fake PhD's *boss* is the in-law (ex-boss, now)
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 07:45 AM
Sep 2013

She and her husband are well known neocons, as are his brother and father Robert and Donald. Robert was a director of the Project for the New American Century, and Donald and Fred both signed the "Rebuilding America's Defenses" mainfesto. Kimblery Kagan runs the "Institute for the Study of War", where O'Bagy worked.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
7. Did you actually read the article in OP? If you did, you would have noticed the part below:
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 06:34 PM
Sep 2013
The Daily Caller, which first broke the Journal’s omission on September 5th, did a follow-up on September 9th in which O’Bagy claimed to have written her dissertation.


and the links to DC are embedded in that quote:

Woman informing Kerry, McCain’s opinions on Syria also an advocate for Syrian rebels
Posted By Charles C. Johnson On 5:35 PM 09/05/2013 In Politics
http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/05/woman-informing-kerry-mccains-opinions-on-syria-also-an-advocate-for-syrian-rebels/?print=1

Who funds Syrian rebel advocate O’Bagy and the Syrian Emergency Task Force? You do
Posted By Charles C. Johnson On 8:02 AM 09/09/2013 In World
http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/09/who-funds-syrian-rebel-advocate-obagy-and-the-syrian-emergency-task-force-you-do/?print=1

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
8. I will never click on a daily caller link - and no one else should
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 06:41 PM
Sep 2013

How about a link that doesn't put money in Tucker-Fucking-Carson's pocket???

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
11. I would suggest you don't tell me what I should and shouldn't click on. They have info I want to see
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 06:51 PM
Sep 2013

that's enough for me. YMMV.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
16. Ironic, coming from you. You might want to check the info before you so casually dismiss it.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 07:23 PM
Sep 2013

But that would be too much to ask. Much easier to go for knee-jerk reaction.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
17. What's ironic, Skippy?
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 07:26 PM
Sep 2013

Do you understand irony? Here's a thought... post your links in an Original Post (we call them OP's here) and see how well it goes. Please do. Pretty-please do so!!!!

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
18. Ironic that you remain totally ignorant about content of both articles. Never mind you didn't bother
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 07:34 PM
Sep 2013

to read the OP.

As to posting them in OP, I don't see why it would be needed. Those links are relevant in the context of the OP above, and that's why they are cited in my post.
The info provided by both links embedded in the OP is correct, there is no denying it. That's all that matters to me. YMMV.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
20. Why? If you want to see them in OP, you are welcome to do so. I don't see a reason to duplicate
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 07:40 PM
Sep 2013

already existing posts.

Or are you mad because Kerry was stupid enough to try a Curveball and it backfired so badly it gave DC a perfect chance to use it against him?

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
21. You're defending the veracity of your links...
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 07:42 PM
Sep 2013

Put them into an OP! Let's let DU judge, Skippy!

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
22. Why don't you alert right now? Or did you try and fail? The links embedded in the article cited in
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 07:50 PM
Sep 2013

OP contain correct info. There is no denying it. You are sore because it was DC who broke the story (according to the article cited in OP)? Are you sore because I refuse to share your ignorance? Or are you sore because your alert failed? Whichever the reason, those links are relevant to the discussion of the OP and they contain correct info.



idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
24. Please, do alert if you think those links shouldn't be posted here. I stand by my statement they are
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 08:05 PM
Sep 2013

relevant to the discussion of the article cited in OP, as that's where they come from. That's why they are posted here, The info in those links is correct.

Please, do keep relishing your ignorance, it's amusing and entertaining.

factsarenotfair

(910 posts)
6. Kimberly Kagan, wife of FRED Kagan, interviewed recently on Charlie Rose...treated like a
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 06:26 PM
Sep 2013

credible, unbiased expert on the Middle East. UNBELIEVABLE.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
25. If anything at all, this looks like this *could* have been a setup......
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 08:52 PM
Sep 2013

quite possibly to discredit not only the secular Syrian opposition(which does in fact, remain substantial!), but perhaps the Obama administration as well.
Knowing what BushCo and company have pulled in recent years, it wouldn't surprise me if this woman was being used as a pawn of some kind.

In any case, let us hope that this doesn't distract from the facts of the matter: yes, there is a substantial amount of secular opposition to Al-Assad. And yes, they can be built up, and in fact, the Admin. and the honest factions of the military have been trying to do just that. But what of BushCo? Be wary, folks, as this story very well could be used in the same general manner that I have described here. *shakes my head*.

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