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Judi Lynn

(160,534 posts)
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 03:47 PM Jul 2014

Those Kids Crossing the Border From Mexico Wouldn't Be There If Obama Hadn't Supported a Coup

Published on Saturday, July 12, 2014 by Common Dreams

Those Kids Crossing the Border From Mexico Wouldn't Be There If Obama Hadn't Supported a Coup the Media Doesn't Talk About

by Ted Rall

If you're reading this, you probably follow the news. So you've probably heard of the latest iteration of the "crisis at the border": tens of thousands of children, many of them unaccompanied by an adult, crossing the desert from Mexico into the United States, where they surrender to the Border Patrol in hope of being allowed to remain here permanently. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's detention and hearing system has been overwhelmed by the surge of children and, in some cases, their parents. The Obama Administration has asked Congress to approve new funding to speed up processing and deportations of these illegal immigrants.

Even if you've followed this story closely, you probably haven't heard the depressing backstory — the reason so many Central Americans are sending their children on a dangerous thousand-mile journey up the spine of Mexico, where they ride atop freight trains, endure shakedowns by corrupt police and face rapists, bandits and other predators. (For a sense of what it's like, check out the excellent 2004 film "Maria Full of Grace.&quot

NPR and other mainstream news outlets are parroting the White House, which blames unscrupulous "coyotes" (human smugglers) for "lying to parents, telling them that if they put their kids in the hands of traffickers and get to the United States that they will be able to stay." True: the coyotes are saying that in order to gin up business. Also true: U.S. law has changed, and many of these kids have a strong legal case for asylum. Unfortunately, U.S. officials are ignoring the law.

The sad truth is that this "crisis at the border" is yet another example of "blowback."

Blowback is an unintended negative consequence of U.S. political, military and/or economic intervention overseas — when something we did in the past comes back to bite us in the ass. 9/11 is the classic example; arming and funding radical Islamists in the Middle East and South Asia who were less grateful for our help than angry at the U.S.' simultaneous backing for oppressive governments (The House of Saud, Saddam, Assad, etc.) in the region.

More:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/07/12-4

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Those Kids Crossing the Border From Mexico Wouldn't Be There If Obama Hadn't Supported a Coup (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2014 OP
Was Obama's "support" of the coup TexasProgresive Jul 2014 #1
So he supported it because he thought it was inevitable anyway? Doctor_J Jul 2014 #10
Let me frame this differently- TexasProgresive Jul 2014 #12
Weak sauce Ted. GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #2
It's amazing this didn't happen sooner flamingdem Jul 2014 #3
It's a bitter shame they avoid learning anything about what the US does, or has done Judi Lynn Jul 2014 #4
crapaganda is right! flamingdem Jul 2014 #5
Not entirely. Igel Jul 2014 #6
Oh yeah of course that as well flamingdem Jul 2014 #7
Just another case of Obama emulating his hero -- Reagan unrepentant progress Jul 2014 #8
It still doesn't even seem possible. He apparently got the acting down, too. Judi Lynn Jul 2014 #9
Ah, the assholitarian left has now found a way to outdo the assholitarian right geek tragedy Jul 2014 #11
2-part question Doctor_J Jul 2014 #13

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
1. Was Obama's "support" of the coup
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 04:58 PM
Jul 2014

what made the coup successful? That is, if he did not approve would anything change?

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
12. Let me frame this differently-
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 12:37 PM
Jul 2014

Did Obama offer material support for the coup such as intelligence and/or air support? What was the U.S. government's role in the coup?

GeorgeGist

(25,321 posts)
2. Weak sauce Ted.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 05:41 PM
Jul 2014

"Zelaya's overthrow created a vacuum in security in which military and police were now focused more on political protest, and also led to a freeze in international aid that markedly worsened socio-economic conditions," Mark Ungar, professor of political science at Brooklyn College and the City University of New York, told The International Business Times. "The 2009 coup, asserts [Tulane] professor Aaron Schneider, gave the Honduran military more political and economic leverage, at the same time as the state and political elites lost their legitimacy, resources and the capacity to govern large parts of the country."

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
3. It's amazing this didn't happen sooner
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:51 PM
Jul 2014

and that US Citizens are so unaware, or unwilling to help with the people who live South of our Borders. Somehow the US always gets a pass for policies that create violence and humans rights abuse in those countries.

Judi Lynn

(160,534 posts)
4. It's a bitter shame they avoid learning anything about what the US does, or has done
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:48 PM
Jul 2014

in the Americas, and insist upon looking no deeper than the programmed crapaganda handed out in disrespectful doses by the corporate media who toil to keep any chance of light from being thrown upon US behavior toward the poor of the Western Hemisphere.

Only those whose consciences push them to keep searching for the answers have the will to go ahead, spend their time, involve themselves in research until they know what the #### has been happening.

Those who refuse to search merely sit back and wait until they can attack people trying to share the real news, using their foundation in complete ignorance as the starting point. It can't get crazier than that!

It would drive a sane person around the bend, seeing such profound contempt for the impoverished human race displayed so gleefully.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
5. crapaganda is right!
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 10:34 PM
Jul 2014

It took these kids risking their lives en masse to shine any light on this subject.

Igel

(35,309 posts)
6. Not entirely.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 11:48 PM
Jul 2014

Years ago there were stories about MS-13 and other gangs in El Salvador and other places in Central America.

They'd picked up gang habits and structures in LA, and then went home or were deported. Nobody stopped them. They weren't reintegrated into society. Their parents or guardians never established control over them or the new kids they recruited to the gangs. This created havoc there, and a new generation of illegal immigrants to the US spread MS-13 to other cities with large Latino populations. This produced a lot of news.

That was long enough ago, I think, that what we're seeing now is the results those particular gangs have had on an entire generation of kids.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
7. Oh yeah of course that as well
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 12:00 AM
Jul 2014

The new intensity due to the Mexicans narcos being pushed South is a nightmare, but human rights abuses were bad back in the 80s too. The deportation of the gangs from LA must have added a sophistication to the criminal element.

Was interesting to learn that the Nicaraguan refugees went to Florida and gangs there did not accept them. However they were recruited in LA where gangs were more open minded.

Judi Lynn

(160,534 posts)
9. It still doesn't even seem possible. He apparently got the acting down, too.
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 03:05 AM
Jul 2014

Who would have ever believed during the first campaign that he'd ever, EVER imitate Reagan, Bushes, etc.

What does it take to get an honest, moral President?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. Ah, the assholitarian left has now found a way to outdo the assholitarian right
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 09:48 AM
Jul 2014

in finding a way to blame Obama for this.

Please proceed, haters.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
13. 2-part question
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 04:09 PM
Jul 2014

1. Did the administration support the overthrow of Zelaya? Yes, just like every administration since Nixon or so has supported right-wing anti-democracy coups in CA and SA.

2. Is one of the results of this particular coup that people are fleeing Honduras and trying to make it into the US? Once again, yes.

Rall's article is annoying but pretty much irrefutable.

How is it that after six years the BOG refuses to see that Obama is continuing much of the imperialism of the last N presidents, and that that imperialism has repercussions?

Let the deluded deny.

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