The "we tortured some folks" Good Reads co-operative thread. In plain english, a data-dump of what

[bobthedrummer]

is contained in the context of "we tortured". I oppose torture and condemn its apologists wherever they are.

Here's my kick-off OP link-add to it DU.

Brazil: Torture Techniques Revealed In Declassified U.S. Documents (The National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book 478 posted 7-8-14)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB478

[bobthedrummer]

1. Is there a torture manual? (How Stuff Works post by Josh Clark)

http://science.howstuffworks.com/torture-manual1.htm

[gtar100]

2. What an incredible turn of words... tortured some "folks".

I would not use that term in this context.

To me (and maybe it's just me) the term "folks" has a friendly connotation to it, as in, "Folks, may I have your attention please" or "Pardon me, folks, just passing through", etc.

It just doesn't fit in with hitting people with blunt instruments causing bruises, concussions, and broken bones; nor does it fit with putting a towel over their mouth and nose and pouring gallons of water over it as they gag and choke for air. Those are not friendly gestures.

I perceive a sense of guilt in those words, of which one is unwilling to face. So the admission of wrong doing is softened by the wrong use of the word "folks".

[blkmusclmachine]

4. Sociopath:

a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

Yay, us!

[uriel1972]

5. People dammit.. people were tortured...

People were subjected to the deliberate use of pain as an instrument of fear. This is so wrong on many levels.

'Folks' were tortured ha ha let's move on.

NO. People were tortured and those who did so and the ones behind it should be dealt with appropriatley.

/sigh wishful thinking

[polynomial]

3. There is a message by the right nutjobs

With a laugh and a chuckle staying in slight humor however there is nothing funny about the law and torture. It is evil with Nazi tendencies.

But that’s being real, however, to be more serious a very curious thought occurred to me, that is the Republicans opened the fraud-gates for another razzle dazzle gaming theater with the complicit main stream media in this idea of suing the President for not doing his job.

Here is the perfect chance to use the current denouncement of the Iraq war the momentum of 911 as a wrong war, and to make Bush and Company accountable would fill the definition of turning on their own.

While creating the best game changing tactic, the whole election could turn to their favor to take power all over the place. In other words sue President Obama for not engaging 911 investigations to indict Bush for war crimes. the Democratic Party would lose by a landslide with a platform like that even if it was not carried out.

Talk about a game changer plus a way for the Republicans to get the presidency; then after the election say well didn’t find anything wrong in the investigation with the Iraq war. That’s the plan…then the Democratic Party gets punked again.

[bobthedrummer]

13. Trivializing horrors like in the games originally played in "think tanks"-a bunch of being counters

Some of US aren't blind to the fact that these horrors are everywhere, for real, now. Operationalized.
Who else shares this view?

[bobthedrummer]

6. PEOPLE were, in fact, TORTURED-by authority of WAR CRIMINALS in the BUSH/CHENEY regime. n/t

[Judi Lynn]

7. From the same government which chooses to name deadly bombs "daisy cutters." n/t

[bobthedrummer]

8. Delivered by platforms named by the Masters/Mistresses of the Corporate Globalists for defeated

North American indigenous nations (Apache, Iroquois, Sioux) and various mythologies (Thor, Atlas, Jupiter) often refining what "our" Nazis had developed.

Then there were the first atomic bombs used in war, called by their creators Little Boy and Fat Man.

How about the names used to describe new forms of TORTURE like those developed by "mental health professionals" in the neurosciences? I urge all to visit the website founded by Cheryl Welsh when it comes to focusing on what includes the newer forms of TORTURE.

Mind Justice
http://mindjustice.org

[proverbialwisdom]

9. I'm sure you wonder what you might not know. Here's what experts in the field want the public to do.

PETITION: http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/torturetruth

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/press-release/top-interrogators-and-intelligence-officials-urge-president-obama-ensure-cia
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/press-release/experts-call-cia-torture-report-release-obama-says-us-tortured-after-911
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/resource/letter-retired-military-leaders-president-obama-cia-and-release-torture-report

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/campaigns/release-senate-report-cia-torture-program

Link from:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025336796

bigtree OP: Letter from Retired Military Leaders to President Obama on CIA and the Release of the Torture Report

[bobthedrummer]

10. Too late imo-+ the private military companies "broke" the official DoD budget. The black budget won

Many of us recall John Kerry educating us about the front orgs and the world's banks that did laundry-no questions asked. That was then.
Today the former Senator is the Sect. State-a position he is useless at, and, imo, a danger to we, the people. Fwiw, he was the 3rd wealthiest Senator back in the day (exclusive of spouse's wealth btw).

I voted for him and Edwards -it is now just too late to reform. Thank you PNAC, DLC, and Globalists in the Big Tent. I'm with all that know that WWIII is well underway and cannot be stopped.

That said I'm with those that NGU too. Even when TORTURED.

[proverbialwisdom]

11. NGU? What's that? Non-governmental u- ? (Google doesn't help, I checked.)

Hey, I'm no historian but even I can immediately think of counterexamples to the meme that folks like you've described win in the long run. Come on! Bad things are permanent only if the public gives up.

[bobthedrummer]

12. Check your mail. Kick for participation. n/t

[bobthedrummer]

14. The Torture Doctors (by Scott Horton 11-4-13 Harper's Blog) "An expert panel concludes that the

Pentagon and the CIA ordered physicians to violate the Hippocratic Oath"

http://harpers.org/blog/2013/11/the-torture-doctors-2

They were only following ORDERS. So "we tortured some folks"...

The Torture Report (ACLU) this report is focused on the BUSH/CHENEY admin, not the current POTUS.
http://www.thetorturereport.org/node/1

I am not one of the "we", are you?

[bobthedrummer]

15. The Rear-Guard Defense of Torture by Ray McGovern (8-12-14 Consortium News)

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/12/the-rear-guard-defense-of-torture

[bobthedrummer]

16. Interrogation/Torture and Dual Loyalty (Institute On Medicine As A Profession)

http://imapny.org/medicine-as-a-profession/interrogationtorture-and-dual-loyalty

When it comes to torturers, I am particularly biased against those that are supposed to be practicers of health and healing. I'm not surprised that this thread has had few responses. IMO, DU has attracted a bunch of moral cowards over the years, and some of you have a lot of love for torture.

Add to this thread DU.

[bobthedrummer]

17. Publications of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity(War Is a Crime/After Downing Street) k

http://www.warisacrime.org/vips