"This Is A Joke! Colin Powell Had More Evidence! It Was Wrong... But He Had More!" Hillary Leverett

[WhoIsNumberNone]

[DeSwiss]

1. K&R

Hilliary Mann Leverett knows from whence she speaks. Those ''missiles'' that the UN photographed were clearly homemade pieces of crap. Not military-grade weapons. They couldn't even be guided but just aimed in a general direction. And these ''weapons'' were supposed to have been used by a military that normally uses its more accurate tanks and jets? Why use an inaccurate missile when your jets and tanks can more accurately bomb?

This whole gas missile scenario stinks to high-heaven and everybody knows it. It appears to be more USA BULLSHIT-FOR-WAR! And her point that even Colin Powell had more evidence for their war-lie program, indicates that they're not even trying that hard to convince us anymore. Maybe they've lost the faith? Maybe they don't even believe in their own NWO bullshit anymore and are just going through the motions because they don't know what else to do?

She implied that Obama has been ill-served by his advisers. I couldn't agree more. But then, he picked them.

- I guess......

[karynnj]

10. Well, you know it is easier to have more concrete looking proof - when you make it up!

The hardest part the administration has is that what they do have is not visual and it is being ignored. I suspect that if Assad was not there - caught on tape - ordering someone in presence to now send the Sarin gas missiles (those words or similar MUST be used), people here would say there is no proof.

Wasn't she a BUSH adviser? What did she say then?

Not to mention, many are asking the questions she says were not asked by anyone but Putin.

[swilton]

11. I thought Hillary's points were very well made

especially given her opponent in this debate.

Your argument weakens itself because you attack the messenger rather than what she is saying.

You make a valid point by observing that the administration does not have visual proof. That problem is exactly why there is an argument to let the UN weapons inspectors launch an investigation and file a report - a proposal that the US administration has been unwilling to wait for. I have heard Congressman Grayson state in his interview on Democracy Now (5 Sep) that the administration was unwilling to release classified information to the Foreign Relations Committee despite the fact that they had requested it and despite the fact that the members making the request had classified clearances.....

I thought that Hillary added much to the debate by contributing her understanding of Russia's reservations which are the same reservations that many US journalists and policy-makers have.

[DeSwiss]

13. Thank you.

My point as well.

And then there's the little issue of the TOTAL ILLEGALITY of the USA taking any action AT ALL for any reason WHASOFUCKINGEVER.

- So there's that.........

[karynnj]

15. The UN report by definition will simply verify that an attack took place

Per the UN, they are not looking into who did this. So, when they come back and say an attack using sarin took place - just as Germany, UK, France and the US said, will you be happy with that? The fact is that Syria and Iran have admitted that gas was used.

I assume that you won't - it doesn't say who did it - you will likely complain.

I think very few Congressmen or Senators are contesting what happened. What they are contesting is not something that involves proof. They are contesting what should happen given that Assad gassed his people.

[swilton]

16. From my understanding

There is an agreement that a chemical weapons attack - sarin - took place.

Who the operators are/were has not been conclusively determined. I have heard many briefings, discussions, etc. - As I recall about this particular briefing/debate that is useful information are the following: eyewitnesses, suggestions that the explosives were home-made (i.e., not government issue), which suggests that they would have come from the rebels.


While this is far from conclusive 'proof' it is information from Syrian allies that might suggest or be equivalent to the Syrian argument, an alternative to the argument presented by the US. This alternative argument is consistent with questions raised by numerous political and journalistic sources that are still unanswered by the US administration.

I disagree with your assessment that all the UN inspectors could do would be to determine that sarin was used. Although I have no idea whether the results of their investigation will be released, some things the investigators might look are things such as Syrian Government accountability procedures which may link to weapons supplies and utilization.

[DeSwiss]

12. Evidentiary links please.

- Oh, and the news commentator by way of introduction said she worked at State during the Clinton/Bush years. So I guess we'll have to share this one....

[starroute]

2. And that Romneybot arguing the other side was such a joke

It just set my teeth on edge every time he said Assad had killed 100,000 of his own people. They've been in a civil war, you jerk. That's the total casualties on all sides. Not a pretty situation, but to try to cast it as some kind of genocidal massacre is a fraud.

[DeSwiss]

3. His pic should be in the dictionary......

...next to the word: ''smarmy''

[DeSwiss]

4. Kick

[deutsey]

5. The questions Ms. Leverett raises here deserve more coverage n/t

[pam4water]

6. Great questions from Hillary Leverett. Why did they have the Romney flack on?

[starroute]

7. Al Jazeera has been making a point of having "both sides" represented

The problem, though, is that their people from the left tend to be credible, while their people from the right tend to be Neocons and smug Young Republican types who can only spout the party line. I don't know whether they're having problem getting people from the right because they're "Ooh! Scary Muslims!" -- or if the standards of discourse on the right have really fallen that far.

[deutsey]

8. Yeah, the Romneybot was way out of his league here

[pam4water]

9. Oooow don't fall for the "views from both side" equals real new :(

[DeSwiss]

14. Of course its ''real news.''

Whatever that means. People often confuse the news for the truth.

It's what passes for news these days. All of it is BULLSHIT.

No matter whose mouth is moving.

- Most people just want the truth. But there's precious little of that on the news.....

[pam4water]

17. Real news EQUALS statements of known facts. Spin and/or opinion NOT EQUALS news!

[DeSwiss]

18. News-ish?

- News-like? Newsification? Newsified? Newsilistic? That's all we have.....

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“Don't you see the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the language of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible because there will be no words in which to express it” ~George Orwell, 1984

[pam4water]

19. Was there a point to that post, or did you just feel snarky?

[DeSwiss]

20. Actually, I feel worn out and disgusted.

And fast coming to the conclusion that if there's a point to all this, no one seems to know what it is.

- Except that Pogo was right......