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A Pastor Asks A Politician Why He Supports Gay Marriage. It Seems He Wasn't Prepared For His Reply. (Original Post) Drale Sep 2013 OP
He is calm, organized, and Right On. Very well done! CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2013 #1
Agreed, a great example of how to effectively convey the progressive position. PNW_Dem Sep 2013 #27
Bravo LiberalLovinLug Sep 2013 #2
Excellent! tecelote Sep 2013 #3
Love that! nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #21
That was a pretty good answer, in my opinion. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2013 #4
Great answer and great delivery of the answer Sanity Claws Sep 2013 #5
I like the comment at the end: Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2013 #6
I agree DreamSmoker Sep 2013 #7
K&R stonecutter357 Sep 2013 #8
the part that is most telling azureblue Sep 2013 #9
Thank you! That was a wonderful delivery. nt antigop Sep 2013 #10
The mental health community decided homosexuality wasn't abnormal back in the 70's Major Nikon Sep 2013 #11
Nice! Worth the 4 minutes to listen. nilram Sep 2013 #12
Excellent Response! redstatebluegirl Sep 2013 #13
What does "pols in the new testament" mean? --at 2:50-55? ErikJ Sep 2013 #14
He says nothing about pols cate94 Sep 2013 #16
'St. Paul said in the New Testament' shenmue Sep 2013 #17
Thanks. And St. Paul is the one who founded Christianity! ErikJ Sep 2013 #18
Paul did not "found" Christianity. MissMarple Sep 2013 #20
Most modern scholars say Paul founded Christianity ErikJ Sep 2013 #24
OK MissMarple Sep 2013 #25
Yaay! shenmue Sep 2013 #15
Good for the politician, but Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #19
Well, it does have something of a continuing appeal. MissMarple Sep 2013 #22
He is absolutely, 100% right. hamsterjill Sep 2013 #23
You are 100 pct right. roamer65 Sep 2013 #28
WELL.... there you have it.... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #26
I don't think he was destroyed. Voice for Peace Sep 2013 #29
If ur not wIlling to love your fellow man - go fuck yourself !! AAO Sep 2013 #30

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
3. Excellent!
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 01:40 PM
Sep 2013

A few weeks back someone posted a sign from a church that said something like this...

"Jesus had two fathers and he turned out all right"

It's about time Christians started acting like Christians.

Sanity Claws

(21,848 posts)
5. Great answer and great delivery of the answer
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 01:54 PM
Sep 2013

The person who asked the question had wild eyes. He hardly blinked.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
9. the part that is most telling
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 02:19 PM
Sep 2013

is when this idiot tries to bend something Jesus said about marriage to fit his bigotry, and stammers, realizing he is making a fool of himself. When results in that frozen look on his face for the rest of the show, when he then realizes that the whole world sees him as a bigot and the camera is still on him.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
11. The mental health community decided homosexuality wasn't abnormal back in the 70's
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 03:16 PM
Sep 2013

Welcome to the party. Slow thinkers keep right.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
13. Excellent Response!
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 03:33 PM
Sep 2013

So calm and caring, he wasn't loud or in your face he just answered the question from his heart and mind... the mind part is what is missing with the man who asked the question.

MissMarple

(9,656 posts)
20. Paul did not "found" Christianity.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 04:21 PM
Sep 2013

According to the Bible he became an apostle after Jesus Christ rose from the dead. That is why he is called the Apostle Paul. Peter was considered by Jesus the "Rock" on which the church was built. At least as I recall from Catechism and Sunday School.

The quote is from Ephesians 5:6-9. Google is your friend.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
24. Most modern scholars say Paul founded Christianity
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 04:55 PM
Sep 2013

I had heard this 25 years ago. Paul had a vision of Jesus in Damascus being ressurected and the Savior.

Jesus and Paul: Figurehead and Founder of Christianity
Posted: 02/ 3/2012 HuffPost, Robert Orlando

................Gerd Ludemann states, "Without Paul there would be no church and no Christianity. He's the most decisive person that shaped Christianity as it developed. Without Paul we would have had reformed Judaism... but no Christianity."

While there was overlap between Paul and Jesus, there were also large divides between Pauline Christianity and Judean Christianity, which only grows -- if you trace Paul's letters in chronological order -- into a full-blown chasm by the end of his life.

................However, the central theme fusing the life of Paul in his letters with Jesus from the Gospels was the coming Kingdom of God; one tradition found in the Synoptic Gospels has -- on the supposed lips of Jesus "in red letters" -- the expectation of a sudden return in his lifetime.

This "visitation" was not the Jewish understanding of the general resurrection. When Paul confronted Jesus in his Damascus vision, he also faced a new idea of resurrection -- but there was no kingdom, no destruction of Rome, no end times. In other words, there were no signs of Jewish Messiah.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-orlando/jesus-and-paul-figurehead_b_1245254.html

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
19. Good for the politician, but
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 04:18 PM
Sep 2013

the planet is billions of years old and modern humans have been around for maybe a couple hundred thousand. It is patently pathetic that a silly bit of 2,000-year-old leftover mythology from the primitive and isolated desert-dwelling people of ancient Judea is still brought into the mix.

MissMarple

(9,656 posts)
22. Well, it does have something of a continuing appeal.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 04:26 PM
Sep 2013

It is just a way of trying to connect with the divine. People will continue to do that, some more than others, of course. Then there are the ones who use religion to control others and justify their prejudices and actions. That's different.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
23. He is absolutely, 100% right.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 04:40 PM
Sep 2013

I agree with him 100% in my own good, Christian conscience.

I do not understand those Christians who insist on promoting hate. I stipulate and agree that so many do (so I don't need to be reminded of that here), but I simply do not understand how (like this speaker) the very essence of Christianity can be lost to them. The very essence of Christianity is that we love and care for one another.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
29. I don't think he was destroyed.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:59 PM
Sep 2013

I think he was given some delicious food for thought
and in my opinion seemed receptive.

Very nice post!

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