Dunn Juror Speaks Out

[erpowers]

Juror #4 has given an interview to ABC's Nightline. In the interview she explains how the jurors came to guilty verdicts on all of the counts against Michael Dunn except 1st degree murder. According to juror #4 the first vote tally on 1st degree murder was 10-2; the last was 9-3. She also confirmed that there was passionate debate, raised voices, and vulgar language during jury deliberation.

[hlthe2b]

1. I can't watch right now, but was she upset?--did she support conviction on Murder 1?

[JustAnotherGen]

2. +1

[Scruffy Rumbler]

4. Just watched the first minute...

She is asked and states she believes Dunn got away with murder.

[erpowers]

5. No and Yes

Last edited Wed Feb 19, 2014, 05:13 PM - Edit history (1)

She did not seem upset to me. She did support conviction. She said all the jurors believed Dunn could have handled the situation in a different manner and that he should have stopped shooting when the SUV began leaving. I guess jurors #2 and #3 believed Dunn's story that Jordan Davis threatened him.

[magical thyme]

6. She strongly supported Murder 1 and she fought hard for it.

She admitted to reaching a point of screaming and cursing during the fights that broke out during deliberations.

In their initial poll, they went straight to the murder charge. 2 people bought the self-defense line, 2 were undecided and 8 said guilty.

It ended up 9 - 3, with the 9 split between Murder 1, 2 and Manslaughter.

[John1956PA]

3. The 9-3 jury split reflects the right-wing 25% of our citizenry.

It is tough to get a unanimous jury vote to convict a middle-aged white male on trial for shooting an African-American male teen.

[zeemike]

8. You got it.

Right wingers will fight like hell to keep from convicting a white man of killing a black man.
Just as it was in the days of Jim Crow.

[bettyellen]

10. So many here were convinced people were imagining racism where

There was none. But the juror question - could all of it be self defense, spraying bullets at fleeing teenagers!?!??- shows how little someone in that jury valued those lives. Just mow em down, and make excuses later.

[Dawson Leery]

17. Certainly.

[magical thyme]

7. a hole in Dunn's "story?"

I saw a clip of Dunn describing how Davis supposedly yelled he was going to kill him and got out of the car and Dunn was looking up the barrel of a gun.

If Davis was pointing a gun at Dunn when he got out of the car, what became of that gun? The defense claims the other teens disposed of it when they drove off.

But if Dunn was staring down the barrel of a gun, like he claims, what is his "story" about how that gun got out of Davis' dead hands and back into the car?

If you listen to the gunfire on the store video, it's nonstop. It's hard to believe anybody stopped to retrieve a gun; there was no time - those teens were driving for their lives...

[valerief]

14. The gun could have been a mirage. As long as Dunn felt threatened, that's all that

mattered. The threat didn't have to be real.

Fucked up justice, huh?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

19. I don't think he claims ever stared "down the barrel"

He claims he saw the top of a barrel, or a pipe or a "stick" that resembled a shotgun.


His excuse is mealy mouthed, half assed and lame. In other words, it was hard for him to make the gun claim with a straight face.

And THAT, to me, is a major "tell" when someone is lying and knows their own story is incredible. When someone makes a claim accompanied by a rolling back-track it usually means they are lying. I spent 12 years in the car business dealing with liars on BOTH sides of the desk and when someone makes a claim and rolls it back at the same time they are BS'ing me.

Which brings up another point about the 3 jurors who voted GUILTY for attempted murder. I truly believe their vote for the attempted murder charge is an equivocation or a "tell" of how untenable their "not guilty" vote is for the murder charge.

If those jurors felt Dunn was TRULY in fear for his life, why would they convict him for shooting ANY bullets at that SUV? I don't believe for a second there was anything remotely resembling a shotgun in that SUV but, if there was a shotgun aimed, does anyone think for a second the cops would have even charged Dunn? No. And no jury is going to convict a person for shooting at a car when one of the occupants aimed a shotgun at an innocent person.

[magical thyme]

22. the video I saw was him on the witness stand

I had read the same thing you did, that he thought he saw the top of a barrel or stick.

But that was not what he was saying on the witness stand. He said he was looking at a barrel; that Davis showed him the gun. It's right on this video.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/loud-music-trial-juror-speaks-22574993

But on re-listening, Davis was still in the car. But then I thought he claimed Davis got out of the car. Oh well...it comes from hearing clips here and there, instead of the whole thing I guess

[bonniebgood]

9. there is a phrase I heard a while back that says ALL republicans are

not racist but All racist are republican. Is it legal to ask potential juror if they are republican? or their
political persuasion? Maybe we have to go there. Juror say people on the juror were 'OH Yes" passionate about their position while nodding her head. religion and politics played a HUGE role here. If I were fighting for my like I I sure as hell would not want a jury full of republicans. Republicans ARE not my peers eventhough we may live in the same district. I would opt for a bench trial with that republican judge.

[rocktivity]

11. Murder 2 should be the top charge at the retrial, then

With an included charge of felony murder. Since he's already been convicted of the felony of firing into the car, he can now be convicted of causing a death in the course of his committing the felony.


rocktivity

[Gothmog]

12. The defense managed to get a couple of racists onto the jury

The fact that these jurors felt that self defense was appropriate is very very sad

[BainsBane]

13. I hate Miley Cyrus' music

I never shot someone because they were playing it.

Kills someone and then orders pizza. Those are the actions of a sociopath, and three jurors wanted him free to do it again.

[awoke_in_2003]

15. Seriously...

it is unreal. Even if a personi totally threatened and justified, how des that peron then go home no order a pizza? Even when justified, killing another person fucks with most peoples heads.

[drynberg]

21. Yeah, I picked up on that too.

Dunn has temporarily gotten away with murder, like Zimmerman.

[wandy]

16. I ask a question..........

With all respect, I understand that there is an issue of race here.
That is so wrong. That is sad. That is not the question.
I understand there is an issue of guns here.
We need some saner regulations. If nothing else, background checks and mandatory training. That is not the question.

This is.
Has this jury given any unbalanced person the right to walk up to anyone they choose and scream....
"You annoy ME!" and then open fire or toss a stick of dynamite or run them down with a car?

Is this what we want?

Anything that diminishes my fellow man diminishes me.

[erpowers]

20. No

Michael Dunn was able to avoid a 1st degree murder conviction because he claimed Jordan Davis had a gun and used it to threaten him. Yes, there were many reasons not to believe Dunn's claim, but it seems his defense attorney was smart to claim the gun was not found because the police waited days to look for the gun.

So, no you cannot now go up to someone, tell them to turn down their music, and then shoot them. You still have to be able to claim you were threatened by the other person. If it can be proven you shot someone just for the heck of it, or just because you did not like their music, you still most likely will go to jail.

[Isoldeblue]

18. It is heartening to me

that the large majority of jurors wanted to convict Dunn of 1st degree. There will always be some ignorant racists who have a need to hate. But as long as they are in the minority, we still have a fighting chance of having justice.

One way or another, Dunn will pay for his racist travesty. As will Zimmerman. Make no mistake.

[zebonaut]

23. a TROVE of racist leanings and past behavior left un-introduced by prosecution

Inept prosecutors