Ban Avoidance: Custom-made guns evade US arms control laws

[DeSwiss]

RT · Published on Apr 19, 2014

Gun enthusiasts in New York have lost their latest bid to repeal the state's gun control laws. Stringent measures were passed in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook school shooting in 2012. Gun manufacturers have again, found a way around them...

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[Jgarrick]

1. The headline is false. The manufacturers are following the law to the letter.

[Hoyt]

4. They and gun fanciers they feed, sure wouldn't understand "spirit" of the law.

The heckl with them and the sickos that buy that junk.

[Electric Monk]

2. The magazine on the "New, but what's the difference" gun looks much smaller caliber.

Maybe .22 even? Pistol rounds, not rifle rounds. That does make a difference.

[Duckhunter935]

8. same round

.223 just about the size of a .22, larger case size. Same rate of fire. Thank goodness it is not a scary assault weapon.


A=.22LR
B=.223 Rifle

I think you are right in the video, so here is another compliant rifle in the correct caliber. 5.56 and also one in 7.62.

[Electric Monk]

14. re: .22 vs .223, do I really need to explain the concept of kinetic energy to you?

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If two projectiles have the same diameter, but one has twice the mass (due to length), and is moving twice as fast (due how much gunpowder got it moving in the first place), which do you think has the potential to do more damage?


Thanks for proving you aren't here for an honest debate, by the way

[Duckhunter935]

16. yep, any round can kill

[Electric Monk]

35. Thanks again for demonstrating again how you aren't really here for an honest open discussion. nt

[Duckhunter935]

36. and what would you like to discuss?

That there is a market for rifles and it will be filled with legal variants of the same rifle that is trying to be banned? Would you like to start banning rifle ammunition in specific calibers?

[Jgarrick]

10. I found that odd as well.

[Hoyt]

3. Gun manufacturers and the crowd they feed don't understand spirit of law.

Just ban all future sales/purchases of semi-auto rifles or handguns that a typical Yahoo is likely to drool over.

After the recent terrorist standoff in Nevada, time to put a damper on gun sales and pass laws like that enacted in Australia in 1996.

[Jgarrick]

5. Ban all semi-autos? Good luck with that...!

[Ed Suspicious]

6. Hilarious.

[Jgarrick]

11. That someone would seriously entertain the notion that it's remotely possible? You bet!

[Hoyt]

7. That would have gun fanciers puckering all over America.

Poor pitiful souls.

[Duckhunter935]

12. just go with pump action

just about as fast

[Jgarrick]

13. Not to mention the Troy Pump Action Sporting Rifle.

[Duckhunter935]

18. thats not an assault weapon

Good thing, it does kind of look scary and it is black

Here is another from the gun friendly Australia. I guess they did not ban all rifles.

[Jgarrick]

20. Exactly so. A pump-action rifle isn't an "assault weapon" by definition. Unless they change the

definition. Again.

[Duckhunter935]

21. moving the goalposts

[Duckhunter935]

9. how do you enforce

"spirit of the law"?

This is why laws are written with words and words have meanings and the manufacturer followed those words. They followed the law.

[Jgarrick]

15. +1

[Hoyt]

23. Well you have a point since gun fanciers appear to care little for society, just their

Poor little selves. I guess that "gun owners are law abiding" is just BS.

[Duckhunter935]

26. cue the thought police

The weapon in fact is legal and NY SAFE compliant so yes they are following the law.

[Jgarrick]

28. If a gun owner purchases a rifle that is legal for him to own,

how is he not law-abiding?

[Hoyt]

29. It's legal to fly a confederate, nazi, or Gadsden flag. But it's immoral.

The vast majority of folks aren't into to guns and self-defense as you guys. Illegal or immoral, pretty much the same thing in this case. Unfortunately, the Zimmerman types get to walk free among us.

[Jgarrick]

32. You think legally buying a rifle is on the same moral plane as advocating for the Nazi Party

by flying their flag? You must be a parody of a gun control advocate...this can't be for real!

[Hoyt]

42. Assault style rifles are most often acquired by right/white wing bigots.

[Duckhunter935]

33. I would not agree with those

But I will fight for the first amendment right of those people to have that right. I assume you are all for free speech zones also. Even the ACLU fights for those rights. What other rights are you willing to give up, maybe it will be your free speech rights that will be trampled.

In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie , where many Holocaust survivors lived. The notoriety of the case caused some ACLU members to resign, but to many others the case has come to represent the ACLU's unwavering commitment to principle.

https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

[Diremoon]

17. Thought

1. No democratic candidate running for office should ever mention restricting guns. Period. Guaranteed to settle the issue, not in their favor.
2. It appears that whenever people who know nothing about guns try to write legislation about them, they always focus on the wrong aspects, thereby making themselves look foolish, and their laws ridiculous.

[Hoyt]

43. Maybe if the NRA and other gun promoters stayed out of the process, it would work better.

[billh58]

19. K&R

Thanks for posting the truth about the right-wing gun lobby...

[DeSwiss]

34. De nada.

[lumberjack_jeff]

22. "So with a few cosmetic changes... is no longer an assault rifle"

Well, yes.

Which kind of undermines the merit of an assault rifle ban, doesn't it?

[Hoyt]

24. It's not the rifle per se, it's the yahoos attracted to them.

[lumberjack_jeff]

25. If you have a legislative solution to that in mind, I'm all ears. n/t

[Duckhunter935]

27. I am curious

to here that also

[Hoyt]

30. No you aren't. You are a gun promoter.

[Duckhunter935]

31. that got him

good comeback sir

[lumberjack_jeff]

37. Actually, I'm not.

I'm fine with effective gun control legislation, and even a cursory search of my posting history would show it. DC vs Heller was an outrage.

AW bans are all about the cosmetics.

[Hoyt]

38. And anybody attracted to those cosmetics is too sick to own a gun.

[lumberjack_jeff]

39. There's a circular nature to this conversation. n/t

[Hoyt]

40. You got it, and right in the middle are irrational gun loving yahoos who are a blight on society.

[Jgarrick]

41. Thought crime!